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T O P I C R E V I E WPiscesPHi to everyone,there are two men in my life with whom I have the Sun square Saturn aspect. According to Linda it is a bond which is hard to break despite ourselves...Can anyone give me some more insight into it?Thanks,PiscesP. OxychickHi PiscesP,I had a relationship with someone who's Saturn (Taurus) squared my Sun (Aquarius) by 2 degrees. We had a pretty tough time letting each other go even though we knew it was for the best. I just thought it was our Sun/Moon conjunction (Aquarius), but maybe you are on to something. astro junkieThese two are the only ones I've found so far, but I'm not completely satisfied with them, especially according to your feedback on how it seems to affect you.I have this with my Libra guy "friend", he's the Sun person, I'm the Saturn person. But his Moon is ruled by Saturn, so..."Sun opposite or square Saturn:Like the lions and hyenas of the jungle, these two people will tend to be wary of each other. It tends to bring mistrust and frustration of each other's ambitions. The Saturn person will often be disappointed in the Sun person's lack of responsibility, character or lack of honor. Conflict based on jealousy is common."OR"Sun person may find Saturn person's influence limiting and even oppressive at times. Saturn person may tend to cling, and there is this sense of never being able to really get going. There may be authority problems. Saturn person may view Sun person as harsh or restrictive."kittiePiscesP, I share this aspect with my guy, as well as other Saturn aspects - in fact, we have many of them /like my Saturn squares his Moon and his Saturn conjuncts my Ascendant, we have Venus trine Saturn and so on/. The fact is I always look at him with some kind of respect and... I don't know how to explain it exactly - he has an authority over me. May be he feels the same way about me. I tried to leave him too many times, never succeeded actually - he always calls back and shows up, even if we haven't seen each other for 3 months /this is Saturn I think - always keeps coming back/.Last week I told him I want this to be over and there was no reaction from him. So now I think we finally broke up. But we also have many other bonding aspects /like Sun/Moon conjunction, Venus/Chiron conjunction, Sun/NN conjunction.../So, I don't know.In her book Linda Goodman says Sun/Saturn square is the most important in synastry and it's almost impossible for the two people to break up. I will wait to see whether this is true or not.astro junkieKittie -Do you remember which of Linda's books you read that in?Thanks.proxiemeOn astrology-numerology.com it says of Saturn trines: Saturn tends to be the restraining or disciplining influence in the relationship. But my husband and I have that mutually, albeit w/ different luminaries.My Saturn (Virgo) is loosely trine his Taurus Moon and his Saturn (Scorpio) is rather tightly trine my Pisces Sun.Which would be the "restraining" factor, or would both be in different ways? astro junkieWell, I'm sure you know what we've said so far has to do with SQUARES and not Trines, but the Saturn person is the one who put restraints.proxiemeYep, I know - this thread just got me thinking along those lines, so I asked the question.But that was just it...we're both the "Saturn" person in different respects...so would I be "restraining"/stabilizing (in a good way...trine) for his emotions and he for me w/ my "self"?Or would it take a different form?That was kinda the line of my questioning.sthenriInteresting, I know that the men I have the greatest respect for have Saturn in Aquarius square my Taurus Sun. I was very interested in a romantic relationship with both at the start but they were not willing, I wasn't their type physically. Still, there are strong sparks for me and I find it hard to look around that. I look for those kinds of sparks in the man I am dating now.It could be an Aquarius type of energy because I am usually respectful towards older Aquarians in general, many have proved instrumental in changing my life in some way.I have been married twice and both men had Saturn opposite my Moon in Cancer.I do believe Saturn conjunct another's Ascendant is another important aspect- life long relationship. The Saturn person will be the one to initiate contact and be attracted physically to the Ascendant person.NatashaTaurus SunSaturn Taurusastro junkieProx -Yeah, you're probably right about that. I have a feeling someone's going to say that the Houses they are in matter too. But I just don't know enough about it.I know Saturn can sometimes make one keep trying to work things out, never giving up, or not that easily. Can't find the exact interpretation of that Natal aspect, but I have it, where if I'm into someone and we like each other I'll enter into it knowing I'll work at it, even if it means working at being more spontaneous.PiscesPHi to everyone,thanks to all your replies. There is something very wierd in the case of these two guys.One of them was very much my type, there was something very romantic - and according to the compatibility charts checked by one astrologer - a very good match...But nothing has some out, I do not have any kind of contact on him nor even his surname and nobody wants to help me find him, like if he was 'damned'(I know it sounds crazy but I have never seen so much jealousy and badness in connection to my quite innocent search...)On the other hand the other guy - with whom I am now involved it is sometimes like a Red Hot Chilli Pepper and sometimes like a Sweet and Sour sauce...But somehow we are bond together, despite the fact that our compatibility chart does not look so perfect and we are much more of contrasting personalities than with the other one...It seems like if it is a one big karmic lesson(I do have the North Node in the 7th house in Saggitarius...)Thanks a lot,PiscesP.kittieAstrojunkie, I think I read it in the Linda Goodman's "Relationship signs" Just an example for Saturn - me and my man managed to fix everything /because of me, I decided to say "sorry" and he said he always knew it's going to be ok sooner or later/. THIS is Saturn - you always keep coming back, always refusing to give up. And since he has his Saturn on my Ascendent /he really initiated the contact and finds me very attractive/, he is dominating me in some way - something like "listen, do this and do that, it will be for better for you". Saturn is really powerful, I think Share your experiences astro junkieok! Cool! Thanks Kittie -I'll just do a review/comparison of my last two relationships::Libra Cappy/Moon in the 1st House guy -His Sun Sq my SaturnHis Mercury Sq my SaturnHis Mars Opp my Saturn(From the interpretations I've seen on these aspects, I'm supposed to make him feel oppressed. But I wonder what how his Moon influence would see it? And by no means, would I say, that I'm ultimately the "together" or "disciplined" one. We have a calming affect on each other).Taurus Aqua/Moon guy -My Mercury Trine his SaturnMy Mars Trine his SaturnHis Sun Trine my SaturnHis Mars Opp my Saturn(He had a ton of faith in me, and still does. But he also had this thing about starting arguments with people, and even with me, even if it's just fun to him).------------------it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness...lllogThe basic mean of your sun square his Saturn is this is as follows: a very difficult aspect to work with in a relationship. You may feel repressed and squelched by his negativity, and feel that he saps your energy. He may see you as too impulsive and impatient and a threat to his position and authority. The aspects produce ego conflicts and constant clashes of wills. He may be a little jealous of you and work to hold you back by making things more difficult than necessary. This aspect creates coldness and difficulties in marriage and friendships. astro junkieHmmmm.... There may be some of that, but really don't see any of that negative side of it. My Sun is in HIS 10th House is maybe why? Or my Saturn & his Moon are in Capricorn?And does anyone have any systematic understanding of how one's Natal adds or detracts from Saturn Synastry aspects? I know this is not the first time it's been asked.kittieI don't see it so hard actually, the Sun/Saturn square with my guy. But then I have it in my natal chart as well, so may be this provides some ballance. But Saturn/Ascendent conjucntion in synastry is really powerful, I think. pixelpixieSaturn conjunct ascendant.. I have this natally with a friend. Of course, it is my Saturn conjunct both his Sun and Moon, in Leo sthenriSaturn in another's fourth house is very interesting I have found, both sides have their housing arrangements turned up side down temporarily.Good for a real estate transaction, or a relationship that revolves around the home.My oldest and most difficult relationship is with my mother, her sun is opposite my saturn but her saturn is trine my sun, my saturn and conjunct my pluto, jupiter and midheaven.So even though there is coldness she keeps coming back because basically we are so alike in our basic needs. It's a difficult one.I have better luck with Aquas even though that squares my Saturn. I would say the opposition is much harder than the square, so it's not the end of the world.NatashaTaurus SaturnTītaniaEverybody (or at least most?!) has negative aspects in their synastry, you just have to work on them and love each other. Hopefully the good aspects dilute the bad.I have a double aspect of sun square saturn with my guy.ie. his sun squares my saturn, my sun squares his saturn.we get along just fine, every now and then there is a little vibration from a bad aspect coming through, but that seems to happen more when we are apart than when we are together =)linda says that sun square saturn is a hard enough bond to break, but "should you be among those rare few with a double influence of this aspect between you, then the bond linking you together, instead of being difficult to break, may be impossible to break, no matter how hard you may try to do so." (Relationship Signs, p. 87).one of the main things linda mentions with this aspect, is that because of the strong bond, you are forced to stick it out and learn from one another the lessons that must be taught. you have to endure the tough times, due to whatever you did to hurt one another in a past life, but if you can get past it, you're all the wiser. it's better than submitting to negativity. perhaps some associations, with enough negative aspects in addition to this one, would be best left to another furture incarnation. but i think most of the time, we should be able to overcome any of these influences. you have to love!free will, everybody remember. aspects do have an influence, but love is the most powerful of all, and with enough of it, you can overcome any obstacle.PiscesPHi to all of you,I see that since so many people have replied on this thread the Saturn square Sun really is one of the most aspects in astrology!Thanks,PiscesP.
there are two men in my life with whom I have the Sun square Saturn aspect. According to Linda it is a bond which is hard to break despite ourselves...Can anyone give me some more insight into it?
Thanks,PiscesP.
I had a relationship with someone who's Saturn (Taurus) squared my Sun (Aquarius) by 2 degrees. We had a pretty tough time letting each other go even though we knew it was for the best. I just thought it was our Sun/Moon conjunction (Aquarius), but maybe you are on to something.
I have this with my Libra guy "friend", he's the Sun person, I'm the Saturn person. But his Moon is ruled by Saturn, so...
"Sun opposite or square Saturn:
Like the lions and hyenas of the jungle, these two people will tend to be wary of each other. It tends to bring mistrust and frustration of each other's ambitions. The Saturn person will often be disappointed in the Sun person's lack of responsibility, character or lack of honor. Conflict based on jealousy is common."
OR
"Sun person may find Saturn person's influence limiting and even oppressive at times. Saturn person may tend to cling, and there is this sense of never being able to really get going. There may be authority problems. Saturn person may view Sun person as harsh or restrictive."
Last week I told him I want this to be over and there was no reaction from him. So now I think we finally broke up. But we also have many other bonding aspects /like Sun/Moon conjunction, Venus/Chiron conjunction, Sun/NN conjunction.../So, I don't know.In her book Linda Goodman says Sun/Saturn square is the most important in synastry and it's almost impossible for the two people to break up. I will wait to see whether this is true or not.
Do you remember which of Linda's books you read that in?
Thanks.
But my husband and I have that mutually, albeit w/ different luminaries.My Saturn (Virgo) is loosely trine his Taurus Moon and his Saturn (Scorpio) is rather tightly trine my Pisces Sun.
Which would be the "restraining" factor, or would both be in different ways?
But that was just it...we're both the "Saturn" person in different respects...so would I be "restraining"/stabilizing (in a good way...trine) for his emotions and he for me w/ my "self"?Or would it take a different form?
That was kinda the line of my questioning.
It could be an Aquarius type of energy because I am usually respectful towards older Aquarians in general, many have proved instrumental in changing my life in some way.
I have been married twice and both men had Saturn opposite my Moon in Cancer.I do believe Saturn conjunct another's Ascendant is another important aspect- life long relationship. The Saturn person will be the one to initiate contact and be attracted physically to the Ascendant person.
NatashaTaurus SunSaturn Taurus
Yeah, you're probably right about that. I have a feeling someone's going to say that the Houses they are in matter too. But I just don't know enough about it.
I know Saturn can sometimes make one keep trying to work things out, never giving up, or not that easily. Can't find the exact interpretation of that Natal aspect, but I have it, where if I'm into someone and we like each other I'll enter into it knowing I'll work at it, even if it means working at being more spontaneous.
thanks to all your replies. There is something very wierd in the case of these two guys.
One of them was very much my type, there was something very romantic - and according to the compatibility charts checked by one astrologer - a very good match...But nothing has some out, I do not have any kind of contact on him nor even his surname and nobody wants to help me find him, like if he was 'damned'(I know it sounds crazy but I have never seen so much jealousy and badness in connection to my quite innocent search...)
On the other hand the other guy - with whom I am now involved it is sometimes like a Red Hot Chilli Pepper and sometimes like a Sweet and Sour sauce...But somehow we are bond together, despite the fact that our compatibility chart does not look so perfect and we are much more of contrasting personalities than with the other one...
It seems like if it is a one big karmic lesson(I do have the North Node in the 7th house in Saggitarius...)
Thanks a lot,PiscesP.
I'll just do a review/comparison of my last two relationships::
Libra Cappy/Moon in the 1st House guy -
His Sun Sq my SaturnHis Mercury Sq my SaturnHis Mars Opp my Saturn
(From the interpretations I've seen on these aspects, I'm supposed to make him feel oppressed. But I wonder what how his Moon influence would see it? And by no means, would I say, that I'm ultimately the "together" or "disciplined" one. We have a calming affect on each other).
Taurus Aqua/Moon guy -
My Mercury Trine his SaturnMy Mars Trine his Saturn
His Sun Trine my SaturnHis Mars Opp my Saturn
(He had a ton of faith in me, and still does. But he also had this thing about starting arguments with people, and even with me, even if it's just fun to him).
------------------it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness...
And does anyone have any systematic understanding of how one's Natal adds or detracts from Saturn Synastry aspects? I know this is not the first time it's been asked.
My oldest and most difficult relationship is with my mother, her sun is opposite my saturn but her saturn is trine my sun, my saturn and conjunct my pluto, jupiter and midheaven.
So even though there is coldness she keeps coming back because basically we are so alike in our basic needs. It's a difficult one.
I have better luck with Aquas even though that squares my Saturn. I would say the opposition is much harder than the square, so it's not the end of the world.
NatashaTaurus Saturn
I have a double aspect of sun square saturn with my guy.ie. his sun squares my saturn, my sun squares his saturn.
we get along just fine, every now and then there is a little vibration from a bad aspect coming through, but that seems to happen more when we are apart than when we are together =)
linda says that sun square saturn is a hard enough bond to break, but "should you be among those rare few with a double influence of this aspect between you, then the bond linking you together, instead of being difficult to break, may be impossible to break, no matter how hard you may try to do so." (Relationship Signs, p. 87).
one of the main things linda mentions with this aspect, is that because of the strong bond, you are forced to stick it out and learn from one another the lessons that must be taught. you have to endure the tough times, due to whatever you did to hurt one another in a past life, but if you can get past it, you're all the wiser. it's better than submitting to negativity. perhaps some associations, with enough negative aspects in addition to this one, would be best left to another furture incarnation. but i think most of the time, we should be able to overcome any of these influences. you have to love!
free will, everybody remember. aspects do have an influence, but love is the most powerful of all, and with enough of it, you can overcome any obstacle.
I see that since so many people have replied on this thread the Saturn square Sun really is one of the most aspects in astrology!
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