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T O P I C R E V I E Wheart cakesi just met a guy who i feel pretty good about who needs a roommate, and i need a home. he had his chart handy and i looked it over and we have some pretty nice stuff; his jupiter is conjunct my asc and venus, our NNs are conjunct, and his mars is on my chiron. there was definately an empathic, healing vibe between us and for the most part it felt like we could become really good friends on top of being roommates.the only thing is, his moon is conjunct my saturn within 1 degree and despite feeling like he's a great guy and we'd be pretty compatible as roommates, i feel so emotionally restricted or something. and it's weird since our SNs are in pisces, i feel all this empathy between us and we both grew up in abusive homes and were talking about the spiritual perspective we've gained from it, so there's that on the one hand which felt awesome, but i feel so shy around him and like stuck or something and i think it MUST be the saturn-moon conjunction. so i'm wondering, has anyone had this with a roommate and will it likely always be a bit of a stumbling block? did it ever get easier or is one of those precautionary aspects?oh i have to say also, the conjunction is also conjunct our north nodes in virgo, so maybe it is a good thing..?Purple_Chick_71Hey Heartcakes! I have this aspect with my SO, but we're not roommates. (Yet! lol) Maybe it's a little different for us because he and I both have moon conjunct saturn natally, but our moon-saturn conjunctions are conjunct, with MY saturn being the closest in aspect to HIS moon. Although I think there may be some restrictiveness to it, I think it eventually manifests as comfort and stability. BUT...I'm sort of the saturn person and he's the moon person, so maybe he feels it's more restrictive than I do. (He hasn't said so, but he's kind of reserved in general, anyways.) It's kind of strange that it would be you, the saturn person, feeling restricted because I thought it was usually the moon person who felt this. Anyway, this is from cafe astrology and I think it fits the relationship between my SO and me very well. Granted, yours isn't a romantic relationship. quote:Let's explore Moon-Saturn interchart aspects as another example. This cross-aspect is a powerful one. Either one (or both) people involved may have made it clear at some early point in the interaction that this relationship was to be a serious or committed one. Whether or not it was verbalized, the air of responsibility is explicit. Although the relationship may begin with some element of enthusiasm, over time, Moon may feel the need to censor feelings of dependency on the relationship and on Saturn himself for some reason or another. Moon may also feel the need to censor self-expression, feeling almost like a child facing a disapproving adult. Moon may sense a certain level of seriousness and even harshness or narrowness in Saturn that may not even exist in absolute terms. Saturn may not even be aware of this unconscious reaction to Moon. Whatever it is, Moon can feel somewhat constrained by the relationship, and unable to express the "child" within, simply because of the expectation that Saturn may not approve, may not be capable of understanding, or may not be equipped to handle these expressions. The sense that Moon gets is that Saturn's needs for commitment are paramount, and that "frivolous" expressions of neediness or dependency wouldn't be appropriate; or that expressions of dependency on anything or anyone else will be met with Saturn's disapproval. It may also be that situational factors are such that true emotional intimacy is blocked, even though both parties want to get closer to each other.The caution here is to avoid too much "censoring" to the point that Moon feels emotionally isolated, misunderstood, or blocked. Does Saturn truly benefit from this kind of "censoring"? Certainly not in the long run, because if it gets out of hand, Saturn will lose touch with Moon's deepest needs, fears, and desires. Emotional distance doesn't benefit either person. The chemistry in this relationship brings out the individual need for security and safety in both people, and each will certainly find a basic sense of safety with the other. Although Moon in particular may feel emotionally frustrated at times, there is a feeling of constancy and dependability in Saturn that is very attractive. This relationship stands much chance of being a long-lasting one. However, it can have its fair share of ups and downs. Periods of emotional distance and subsequent feelings that the relationship may be too "heavy" to maintain are often followed by tearful and emotional "reunions" when both parties feel that they need each other desperately, and that the attachment runs deeper than is always apparent. It is easy to see, with this kind of pattern, that either or both individuals could feel "trapped" together at times! But the truth of the matter is, given the depth of the attachment to each other, there is much to gain from working on the intimacy issues described above. Saturn needs to face his or her fears and consciously work on not clamping down on Moon, and Moon, instead of reacting defensively to Saturn, must also look to see whether Saturn does have a point, so to speak, and Moon can actually benefit from some of the more reasonable boundaries that Saturn seems to draw.Karma is associated with Saturn, where the personal planet person feels some sort of personal debt to the Saturn person. The Saturn person seems to have the upper hand in the relationship, at least for a while. Both parties must be more mindful of what exactly they are doing. A balance is possible, as the personal planet person may benefit from Saturn's impositions, at least ones that are not purely based on fear. Maybe the personal planet person does need to learn to be more responsible and could benefit from some maturation, and Saturn can learn to loosen up in certain ways. Reacting defensively to each other will only exacerbate the problem.P.S. I'm sorry I never e-mailed you back. I had, no exaggeration, over 500 e-mails in my mailbox at one point, and the personal ones got kind of lost. How are things? I see from some of your other posts that you aren't with the Cancer guy any more. I hope all is well with you!heart cakeshi purple chick! thanks for the reply and the great article. i'm wondering if the restricted feeling can go either way.. i think liz greene says it's usually the saturn person who feels it more, but i'm not sure for this one. i have decided to move in with him cuz i think it feels pretty right, but we will see! it's interesting.. and i do feel that there is great potential for a deep friendship. maybe it is his mars on my chiron or my moon on his DC, but i keep feeling like i want to hug him despite this weird emotional stickiness.. and i don't get that feeling often.. it's like kinda maternal somehow. thanks again! i'm doing great, hope you are too!i'm also thinking, maybe i'm just a bit intimidated since he's a scorpio rising. he is a bit intense..AcousticGodI would think it would be the Moon person who feels it, and the Saturn person who is constrictive.heart cakesthanks AG! but in this case since he is a virgo moon and NN as well, do you think it would be beneficial and maybe he would already be sorta used to that energy, generally speaking? like maybe i just bring more structure to that part of himself?Seeing Stars 7.21Heart Cakes. how old are you? I wonder if your south node conjuncts my north node and vice versa.. I have been very interested in this.heart cakesvery interested in what, seeing stars? if our north nodes are opposed? as usual, you're tripping me out.. hahai'm 29, NN in virgoHermes28I'm 12 degrees NN Virgo. Conjunct my Sun/Moon Midpoint.Seeing Stars 7.21yes to see if our north nodes are opposed. my north node is 15 degrees in Pisces. My ascendant and my southnode are conjunct as well as my sun moon midpoint. word! lolHermes me and you have north nodes opposingGlaucuswhat nodes are you referring to?all physical heavenly bodies have nodesAstronomers record the nodes of all physical heavenly bodies http://www.considerations-mag.com/articles/geocentricPlanetary.htm heart cakesseeing stars, my NN is 18 virgo, my saturn is 12. so their midpoint is your SN.
the only thing is, his moon is conjunct my saturn within 1 degree and despite feeling like he's a great guy and we'd be pretty compatible as roommates, i feel so emotionally restricted or something. and it's weird since our SNs are in pisces, i feel all this empathy between us and we both grew up in abusive homes and were talking about the spiritual perspective we've gained from it, so there's that on the one hand which felt awesome, but i feel so shy around him and like stuck or something and i think it MUST be the saturn-moon conjunction. so i'm wondering, has anyone had this with a roommate and will it likely always be a bit of a stumbling block? did it ever get easier or is one of those precautionary aspects?
oh i have to say also, the conjunction is also conjunct our north nodes in virgo, so maybe it is a good thing..?
quote:Let's explore Moon-Saturn interchart aspects as another example. This cross-aspect is a powerful one. Either one (or both) people involved may have made it clear at some early point in the interaction that this relationship was to be a serious or committed one. Whether or not it was verbalized, the air of responsibility is explicit. Although the relationship may begin with some element of enthusiasm, over time, Moon may feel the need to censor feelings of dependency on the relationship and on Saturn himself for some reason or another. Moon may also feel the need to censor self-expression, feeling almost like a child facing a disapproving adult. Moon may sense a certain level of seriousness and even harshness or narrowness in Saturn that may not even exist in absolute terms. Saturn may not even be aware of this unconscious reaction to Moon. Whatever it is, Moon can feel somewhat constrained by the relationship, and unable to express the "child" within, simply because of the expectation that Saturn may not approve, may not be capable of understanding, or may not be equipped to handle these expressions. The sense that Moon gets is that Saturn's needs for commitment are paramount, and that "frivolous" expressions of neediness or dependency wouldn't be appropriate; or that expressions of dependency on anything or anyone else will be met with Saturn's disapproval. It may also be that situational factors are such that true emotional intimacy is blocked, even though both parties want to get closer to each other.The caution here is to avoid too much "censoring" to the point that Moon feels emotionally isolated, misunderstood, or blocked. Does Saturn truly benefit from this kind of "censoring"? Certainly not in the long run, because if it gets out of hand, Saturn will lose touch with Moon's deepest needs, fears, and desires. Emotional distance doesn't benefit either person. The chemistry in this relationship brings out the individual need for security and safety in both people, and each will certainly find a basic sense of safety with the other. Although Moon in particular may feel emotionally frustrated at times, there is a feeling of constancy and dependability in Saturn that is very attractive. This relationship stands much chance of being a long-lasting one. However, it can have its fair share of ups and downs. Periods of emotional distance and subsequent feelings that the relationship may be too "heavy" to maintain are often followed by tearful and emotional "reunions" when both parties feel that they need each other desperately, and that the attachment runs deeper than is always apparent. It is easy to see, with this kind of pattern, that either or both individuals could feel "trapped" together at times! But the truth of the matter is, given the depth of the attachment to each other, there is much to gain from working on the intimacy issues described above. Saturn needs to face his or her fears and consciously work on not clamping down on Moon, and Moon, instead of reacting defensively to Saturn, must also look to see whether Saturn does have a point, so to speak, and Moon can actually benefit from some of the more reasonable boundaries that Saturn seems to draw.Karma is associated with Saturn, where the personal planet person feels some sort of personal debt to the Saturn person. The Saturn person seems to have the upper hand in the relationship, at least for a while. Both parties must be more mindful of what exactly they are doing. A balance is possible, as the personal planet person may benefit from Saturn's impositions, at least ones that are not purely based on fear. Maybe the personal planet person does need to learn to be more responsible and could benefit from some maturation, and Saturn can learn to loosen up in certain ways. Reacting defensively to each other will only exacerbate the problem.
The caution here is to avoid too much "censoring" to the point that Moon feels emotionally isolated, misunderstood, or blocked. Does Saturn truly benefit from this kind of "censoring"? Certainly not in the long run, because if it gets out of hand, Saturn will lose touch with Moon's deepest needs, fears, and desires. Emotional distance doesn't benefit either person. The chemistry in this relationship brings out the individual need for security and safety in both people, and each will certainly find a basic sense of safety with the other. Although Moon in particular may feel emotionally frustrated at times, there is a feeling of constancy and dependability in Saturn that is very attractive. This relationship stands much chance of being a long-lasting one. However, it can have its fair share of ups and downs. Periods of emotional distance and subsequent feelings that the relationship may be too "heavy" to maintain are often followed by tearful and emotional "reunions" when both parties feel that they need each other desperately, and that the attachment runs deeper than is always apparent. It is easy to see, with this kind of pattern, that either or both individuals could feel "trapped" together at times! But the truth of the matter is, given the depth of the attachment to each other, there is much to gain from working on the intimacy issues described above. Saturn needs to face his or her fears and consciously work on not clamping down on Moon, and Moon, instead of reacting defensively to Saturn, must also look to see whether Saturn does have a point, so to speak, and Moon can actually benefit from some of the more reasonable boundaries that Saturn seems to draw.
Karma is associated with Saturn, where the personal planet person feels some sort of personal debt to the Saturn person. The Saturn person seems to have the upper hand in the relationship, at least for a while. Both parties must be more mindful of what exactly they are doing. A balance is possible, as the personal planet person may benefit from Saturn's impositions, at least ones that are not purely based on fear. Maybe the personal planet person does need to learn to be more responsible and could benefit from some maturation, and Saturn can learn to loosen up in certain ways. Reacting defensively to each other will only exacerbate the problem.
P.S. I'm sorry I never e-mailed you back. I had, no exaggeration, over 500 e-mails in my mailbox at one point, and the personal ones got kind of lost. How are things? I see from some of your other posts that you aren't with the Cancer guy any more. I hope all is well with you!
i'm also thinking, maybe i'm just a bit intimidated since he's a scorpio rising. he is a bit intense..
I wonder if your south node conjuncts my north node and vice versa.. I have been very interested in this.
i'm 29, NN in virgo
Conjunct my Sun/Moon Midpoint.
my north node is 15 degrees in Pisces. My ascendant and my southnode are conjunct as well as my sun moon midpoint. word! lol
Hermes me and you have north nodes opposing
all physical heavenly bodies have nodesAstronomers record the nodes of all physical heavenly bodies http://www.considerations-mag.com/articles/geocentricPlanetary.htm
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