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Topic: Chiron in Aspect to Luminaries SYNASTRY
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NinaAria Knowflake Posts: 215 From: Registered: Dec 2016
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posted June 28, 2017 05:59 PM
Ok so after closely looking at several synastry charts, I have concluded that the CHIRON person is NOT the one that brings "pain" to the PLANET person but rather it is the PLANET person that brings pain to the Chiron person and through this pain does the CHIRON person evolve and heals themselves. BOOM! What do you think? IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7882 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 28, 2017 07:39 PM
It's one or the other, it depends who loves the other more...but there is lotsa pain, alright IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 4963 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 28, 2017 09:11 PM
Moving this to Interpersonal Astrology.------------------ The Declinations Guy Expert birth chart rectification Rising Sign Descriptions ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl200 Knowflake Posts: 420 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted June 28, 2017 10:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by NinaAria: Ok so after closely looking at several synastry charts, I have concluded that the CHIRON person is NOT the one that brings "pain" to the PLANET person but rather it is the PLANET person that brings pain to the Chiron person and through this pain does the CHIRON person evolve and heals themselves. BOOM! What do you think?
I TOTALLY agree!!!' I'm quoting a response I posted a few weeks ago on the Chiron topic. quote: Originally posted by GrlyGirl200: You know every post I read about with Chiron says that the Chiron person will hurt you the planet or point person etc. But in my experience I've literally always been hurt by the planet person when I'm Chiron (and I've been it a lot). To me it makes more logical sense (given what Chiron is) that Chiron in a chart is where you are hurt (as in its a giant ouchy point). It's hurt and wounded so why would you not experience (Chiron) pain from the other person being how they naturally are. My Chiron is in Gemini and I love Gemini's but they always hurt me by not really caring deeply, at all, or being very surface like. Even if they have Cancer placements or something that does fit with me it ends up hurting me, and its in the 12th so it just makes me feel bad and unsure as to what happened for them to stop caring or move on as quickly and easily as they do. Sometimes we are friends they just act acting cold (this occurred with two coworkers who I thought I meshed with at the start, they were both Cancer Moons). One was a Gemini Sun/Mer/Venus/Mars and she started being cold, the other was a Gemini Venus male who decided to unfollow and delete me off social media one day. Another was a Cancer Mercury male with Gemini Venus who was at the start quite nice and warm to me and suddenly became quite cold to me, and finally another a Gemini Sun/Mars male who was never super friendly to me. Anyway I could go on and on about the times I've experienced this (seriously I have a lot of stories lol). But in your case it could be different. The only experience I can think of which I as Chiron brought her pain was when I ended a friendship when she borrowed money and didn't pay it back. She was a Leo Moon so she would only contact me when she needed to find out info about Cancer ppl.
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Yanmorg unregistered
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posted June 28, 2017 10:53 PM
I think it's mutual.IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl200 Knowflake Posts: 420 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted June 29, 2017 01:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Yanmorg: I think it's mutual.
You know I could see this, but I do think the Chiron will feel the pain much more acutely and in depth (as Chiron is pain in a sense). I think in all the instances I mentioned, I would venture to guess that I did something that hurt and or upset the Gemini placement, this resulted in a withdrawal of support or friendship etc. And then my Chiron was hurt by them and how easy it was for the Gemini person to move on. The one example of where I was Chiron and the Gemini placement did something to me and made it easier for me to move on was with a girl who had her Chiron also in the same sign as my Chiron (born the same year). Plus her Leo Moon needed an audience that my Leo Mercury provided. I have his Chiron Conjunct the North Node of a man I'm into. I can see that I'm starting to do what I did before with the Leo Moon girl, detach and start to care less. I have a Cap Moon that is Square Pluto so I've decided to just cut him off and amputate. Caring doesn't serve any use.
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Beautiful_Light unregistered
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posted June 29, 2017 07:24 PM
I'm not sure about Chiron/Moon, but in my experience with Chiron/Sun, the essence of the Sun person casts a shadow on Chiron and makes all of their inner hurt/turmoil rise to the surface. There is an opportunity for healing and bonding, but often the wounds are so raw that Chiron ends up rejecting and hating the Sun.IP: Logged |
Selenite unregistered
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posted June 29, 2017 08:13 PM
Agreee.. I'm Chiron in Chiron conj. Moon relationship. So much pain, at first. Then so much healing ^_^
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EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2619 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted June 29, 2017 08:46 PM
What if both people have Chiron conjunct which opposes one persons personals?? Like, would that person would have a hard time dating people of their age? Or they'd be used to this energy so it wouldn't be so drastic?? IP: Logged |
waxlobster Knowflake Posts: 893 From: Birmingham Registered: Mar 2011
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posted July 01, 2017 06:34 AM
Chiron is about healing not pain!! Pain is because of expectation, healing comes from wanting nothing but to help the other person be the best they can be. Chiron bonds are the best in the world because they can be the most vivid indicator of the opportunity to express unconditional love. If you have a list of parameters (I will give this, but I want this, this and this in return) then yes it will bring you 'pain'. I don't regard that as 'pain' though, rather not getting 'what you want' Chiron in chart denotes our inner pain and a planet from another can *trigger* this but they are a trigger not a cause. I hope this makes sense, the point is to *own* our wounds, recognise them and not consider the other to be the perpetrator. If we are able to do this then Chiron bonds are about as beautiful as love can be, as it shows connections where another can accept us (the Chiron person) exactly as we are, so long as we can accept ourselves. Interestingly - for those who believe in twin flames, Chiron was discovered at around the same time this concept re-surged into the mainstream. Coincidence? IP: Logged |
Selenite unregistered
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posted July 01, 2017 12:56 PM
In my case, it was pain brought from expectations of being treated badly.. which never came true, which brought healing. In normal situations of conflict, (and all the time for that matter) he would actually treat me with respect and there were no games of manipulation. I couldn't comprehend that someone could be that transparent and not have a secret abusive side. It was like I was waiting for it to come out and when it didn't, I would be hit with so much relief, and my expectations slowly started to change. He did not come with the same pain so he wasn't feeling any of that. I'm Chiron and he is Moon, and the conjunction is under 1 degree, in my 2nd house. Chiron is also square my Sun and part of a yod with Pluto and Moon. His Sun is also trine my Chiron by 2 degrees. ..There was also this crazy pain that I felt when he touched me, like it made my heart hurt because it was so sweet kind of thing. For a long time I felt like crying every time he would stroke my arm or something, I was so taken aback by the sweetness. (I'm crazy) IP: Logged |
waxlobster Knowflake Posts: 893 From: Birmingham Registered: Mar 2011
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posted July 02, 2017 05:30 AM
Oh bless you Selenite,You must have been hurt so much before you met him, he sounds like a gentle and lovely man who came into your life to heal your pain. Of course when somebody can show you that kind of deep, abiding love so quickly, it does imply that you are souls who have loved one another before :-) I'm not sure I would regard Chiron conjunctions as long lasting, not to say they can't be but in and of themselves they do often appear to allow the painful wounds to be soothed, that can create a strong bond. However, if Chiron is the most prominent 'planet' in synastry I would say that it's likely to be a transient healing connection. If there are strong connections elsewhere too then it will enhance and strengthen any long-term bond because of the immense trust which can be attained by allowing that level of tender kindness and love. ♥ (Obviously for long term you want a good smattering of Moon, Venus, Mars & a couple of Saturn contacts - but Chiron is up there in that list too!) As you describe, I do think Chiron conjunctions are where both parties show compassion. The squares and oppositions not so much, that can be healing through conflict, or actual manifestation of the fears. Not to say they can't be worked through, just that a little more care and attention is required. The longest relationship I've ever had (and still a close friend) is with a fellow astrologer. It's amazing how awareness can make really heavy aspects into something great. A square can be better than a trine (more vibrant, more expressive) when addressed with knowledge. The point of learning astrology is not to look at aspects as 'doom' but to trust who we are drawn to and work with the aspects we have so that we don't slip into ego pattern behaviours. :-) IP: Logged |
problematique Knowflake Posts: 112 From: Registered: Jan 2021
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posted January 10, 2023 07:34 AM
whoever loves more, suffers. my first big heartbreak had my chiron square his moon at 0° and his chiron conjunct my venus at 0°. he didn’t suffer one bit because he didn’t love me, meanwhile i had an entire breakdown because i was the invested one.
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sassaqua Knowflake Posts: 1212 From: Oz Registered: May 2011
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posted January 10, 2023 07:54 AM
Ohh no problematique I hope that never happens again. Chiron - yes, yes, deep, deep, aching, sorrowful, yearning and bellowing, pain. It's my Venus, it's square my whole generation. IP: Logged |