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IV4Four
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posted January 02, 2020 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV4Four     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello!!!

I need some help with this synastry.

The Aquarius and I met in September and the relationship developed very quickly.

The problem I’m having is that I’m not sure if we should be together... mainly because she triggers a lot of my past relationship issues. She loves me but with it being only 4 months or so, II’m not sure if this relationship is very karmic or if I should learn a lesson and grow with her! I really could use some help!!

https://www.astro.com/tmpd/c4lsfilesBmxht-u1560954525/astro_61gw_jermaine_parris_courtney_hp.11824.9142.png

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posted January 03, 2020 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 04, 2020 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquapoisson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IV4Four:
need some help with this synastry.

The Aquarius and I met in September and the relationship developed very quickly.

The problem I’m having is that I’m not sure if we should be together... mainly because she triggers a lot of my past relationship issues. She loves me but with it being only 4 months or so, I am unsure if I feel the same way. I’m not sure if this relationship is very karmic or if I should learn a lesson and grow with her! I really could use some help!!

https://www.astro.com/tmpd/c4lsfilesBmxht-u1560954525/astro_61gw_jermaine_parris_courtney_hp.11824.9142.png


Being an aqua sun, I was curious to see the chart but when using the link, it states GIF expired....


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posted January 04, 2020 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV4Four     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope this works!

[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49331126326_d7813f94cf_o.jpg[/img]chart1

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posted January 04, 2020 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV4Four     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was able to post the link with the chart in it. As I was unable to embed the chart using the proper coding.

Any help would be great!

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posted January 05, 2020 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquapoisson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IV4Four:
I was able to post the link with the chart in it. As I was unable to embed the chart using the proper coding.

Any help would be great!


Hi I was able to see it...because I am no where near an expert in this, I also am interested in reading more experienced readings but air/earth combos in both persons luminaries are really nice. There is also some nice interaction with pluto (i personally like it but my natal pluto trines my ac, and my pluto in 8th house so factor that in the moon/pluto opposition and wide pluto/moon conjunction, the house overlays are nice too. I am curious as to how the moon in libra feels as besides the pluto aspects there are not many connections there. Again, I am learning so I will be watching this thread thanks for sharing.

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posted January 05, 2020 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquapoisson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aquapoisson:
Hi I was able to see it...because I am no where near an expert in this, I also am interested in reading more experienced readings but air/earth combos in both persons luminaries are really nice. There is also some nice interaction with pluto (i personally like it but my natal pluto trines my ac, and my pluto in 8th house so factor that in the moon/pluto opposition and wide pluto/moon conjunction, the house overlays are nice too. I am curious as to how the moon in libra feels as besides the pluto aspects there are not many connections there. Again, I am learning so I will be watching this thread thanks for sharing.

Aah, I just reread your initial post...maybe the lack of moon interaction is why you are not feeling it?

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posted January 05, 2020 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HI IV4Four
your SN is conjunct her Uranus, and this is quincunx to your Chiron in 10th house Cancer... I think you are strongly drawn to her, you have a deep intimacy with her and you might also idealize her, but her Saturn/Mars conjunct your Pluto/Lilith opposite the Sun/Moon can give you an emotional block at subconscious level... yes, your Moon looks "lonely" here, but it is in Libra, 2nd house, ruled by Venus, and her Moon conjunct your Sun is also ruled by Venus, so there's still an emotional compatibility, I think. This relationship actually looks very inspiring to you, so especially your Chiron placement suggests that this relationship might be triggering issues of your own buried in your subconscious/past, compelling you to face those wounds somehow, your committment insecurity and where it comes from.
Maybe a Composite chart might say more.

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posted January 05, 2020 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV4Four     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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HI IV4Four
your SN is conjunct her Uranus, and this is quincunx to your Chiron in 10th house Cancer... I think you are strongly drawn to her, you have a deep intimacy with her and you might also idealize her, but her Saturn/Mars conjunct your Pluto/Lilith opposite the Sun/Moon can give you an emotional block at subconscious level... yes, your Moon looks "lonely" here, but it is in Libra, 2nd house, ruled by Venus, and her Moon conjunct your Sun is also ruled by Venus, so there's still an emotional compatibility, I think. This relationship actually looks very inspiring to you, so especially your Chiron placement suggests that this relationship might be triggering issues of your own buried in your subconscious/past, compelling you to face those wounds somehow, your committment insecurity and where it comes from.
Maybe a Composite chart might say more.

The really interesting part is that the Chiron aspect your referencing is the reason for this thread. She triggers a lot of my past, and I feel like I need to run sometimes. But on the other hand, I do feel a deep emotional connection and intimacy with her... just wasn’t sure if it some of the aspects hinted at Longevity. I can post a composite chart shortly!

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posted January 06, 2020 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV4Four     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heres the composite chart you requested!!


[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49342656322_d35ed6126c_o.jpg[/img]

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posted January 06, 2020 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi IV4Four, the Composite shows that a deep emotional bond is challenged by inner personal issues and also by trust issues... you have a mutual idealized image of the other but this doesnt match with the other's reality and you both feel this at subconscious level and likely cant see where the other comes from or stands. Unfortunately, this all looks like a fairy tale that is turning to painful as one of you or both of you finds out that there are core issues in your different expectations... neptune is square to NN and Saturn is square to MC, this is not usually a good omen for long term... Saturn is opposite Chiron, and Mars square NN, so I think this relationship triggers a lot of insecurity to you and you are the one who might want to detach, even though the fears you have come from the same reason you feel strongly attracted to her. I think that if you want to keep the relationship going, you have to give up something else, but this might be quite frustrating for you. I think she's quite devoted to you and appearances are deceiving cause your communication is very psychic while your verbal communication might be difficult sometimes... I think this relationship can work out on long term only if you give a lot of space to each other and accept your differences from which you can learn a lot about yourself, this is the real challenge here, I believe, cause of Chiron opposite ASC and Uranus square Sun. Even so, as transiting SN is currently conjunct Comp. Mars/Neptune square Composite NN, you are going to feel this urge to "run" from her in a very close future.

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posted January 07, 2020 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV4Four     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi IV4Four, the Composite shows that a deep emotional bond is challenged by inner personal issues and also by trust issues... you have a mutual idealized image of the other but this doesnt match with the other's reality and you both feel this at subconscious level and likely cant see where the other comes from or stands. Unfortunately, this all looks like a fairy tale that is turning to painful as one of you or both of you finds out that there are core issues in your different expectations... neptune is square to NN and Saturn is square to MC, this is not usually a good omen for long term... Saturn is opposite Chiron, and Mars square NN, so I think this relationship triggers a lot of insecurity to you and you are the one who might want to detach, even though the fears you have come from the same reason you feel strongly attracted to her. I think that if you want to keep the relationship going, you have to give up something else, but this might be quite frustrating for you. I think she's quite devoted to you and appearances are deceiving cause your communication is very psychic while your verbal communication might be difficult sometimes... I think this relationship can work out on long term only if you give a lot of space to each other and accept your differences from which you can learn a lot about yourself, this is the real challenge here, I believe, cause of Chiron opposite ASC and Uranus square Sun. Even so, as transiting SN is currently conjunct Comp. Mars/Neptune square Composite NN, you are going to feel this urge to "run" from her in a very close future.

Okay, this is very accurate and I totally agree that to a point there are feelings of this not being “right” or a fairy tale. I am not sure exactly what I feel like I would have to give up in order for this to work, except a career path that I’m very attached to. I feel like I have two paths where I have both careers. But I feel like she doesn’t match with one of the careers.

As far as our communication goes, at times she doesn’t quite understand me, and sometimes the things I say are taken completely wrong, or perceived incorrectly which then leads to us talking about it. In the end I never 100% feel like I was understood and instead I feel like I’m assuming responsibility for her feelings.

My final question is, I’m currently at a crossroads, and I want to make the right choice. If there is something I should focus on to help me get clarity in these charts/situation , what would you suggest?

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posted January 07, 2020 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV4Four     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also thanks for taking the time to assist!!

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posted January 07, 2020 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are welcome ❤️

Looking at the whole picture, synastry and composite, I believe you feel a strong underlying committment to her, despite all your doubts. Yes, I think she doesnt completely understands you, but this is mutual cause you are a very grounded, stable person and need to have clear plans and ideas, while she's quite the opposite (I can "understand" her better than you cause I am Aqua Sun in 12th house/Pisces ASC exactly like her :-)) ), she also has Aqua Mercury in 12th and Uranus conjunct MC, so she's very open-minded, independent, she likely loves traveling, changing habits and so on, she also has a deep inner world that she can't easily share with anyone but she's very intellectually skilled, and this whole apparently "unreachable" and "boundless" personality of her likely appears too "erratic" for you and make you feel like something more grounded between you two is missing, and so it seems you are aware that this relationship might pose some big sacrifice or "self-denial" to your personal achievements, on the material and emotional plane, and you are not completely convinced it's worth it.
Well... I think she's very devoted to you and feels a strong bond as much as you do. You might feel she's not supportive to you and your plans, but I think she actually wishes to be supportive cause her Saturn/Mars is trine to your Mars/Vertex, even so with her Uranus/MC quincunx to your Jupiter/Chiron on your 10th house she might always impose "changes" and unexpected issues to your life, you sense this and this is scary for you. The Composite clearly shows this underlying feeling of instability cause Saturn is in 1st house and Chiron in 7th, it looks like this is the weakest point of the relationship, and since Saturn is conjunct ASC sextile Venus, you experience this contradiction cause it looks like an unbreakable loving bond at the same time. Moreover, with Vertx conjunct DSC, some issues between you two might always stay unsolved and the depth of your love might stay quite "other worldly", like if your true connection is actually coming from a parallel universe or so...
Evetually, as for your question... I honestly think you will have to make an harsh choice for yourself, considering that feelings and devotion are mutual and true and that the challenges depend only on a different approach, the choice is between accepting and loving her as she is and finding good compromises, or choosing your own life direction and losing the priceless love she has for you, which alone should give you all the certainties no matter what. I understand it's not an easy choice for you, in fact it looks like "sacrifice" for the common good with Composite Sun in Aries 4th house and Comp Aqua Venus...
Current transits show exactly that crossroad you feel cause of transiting SN square Composite NN, together with transiting Uranus square Composite Moon... so I'd assume you would choose to leave the realtionship at this time. Transiting Chiron is currently conjunct Composite Pallas, so this looks like a test, the "moment of truth"... and also tr Uranus conjunct to your natal Pallas trine toyour Neptune... so I'd suggest to not let an impulsive, radical choice guide you but ponder carefully and this is also a good time to directly, honestly open up with her and have a talk about all your concerns cause transiting Mercury is currently conjunct Lilith trine to Comp Ceres and MC, so this might help make your mind clear for both of you.

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posted January 07, 2020 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV4Four     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow!!

This is so accurate..

Okay so here is the plot twist...

My ex has been communicating a lot with me lately. After we broke up she started connecting with her spiritual side which was one of the reasons why I broke up with her. Now she is into all of these things and it just so happens that she and I will be going to the wedding of a mutual friend together on 02/22/2020...

I can honestly say, part of my confliction is due to this ex coming back and the feeling coming back for her.. although me and her haven't had the conversation of getting back together, I wanted to put you fully in the perspective as to why this situation with my current girlfriend and the crossroad feels even harder.

I've posted a composite of me and my ex GF below. I hope that from here, I can have full clarity.

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posted January 07, 2020 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wow, then... now I see what Composite (with current Aqua gf) Neptune/Mars square Jupiter and Pallas is about! ...this looks like something "hidden" is lurking in the background...

I hope what I am going to say doesnt influence your choice of course, so please take it with a grain of salt and I mainly think, astrology aside, that if this ex is making you question your actual relationship, then you would have to carefully understand your feelings for your actual gf !

Btw, with your ex it seems you had an intense relationship, maybe you felt much more at ease here and more confident about committment for a while, a lot of intense and binding favourable aspects, especially the nodes looking very promising for the future, BUT it looks like a karmic relationship for your self-grow/transformation, and with Uranus/Juno opposite ASC and square to MC, such a karma might have reached an (abrupt?) end... also, Comp. Saturn (in 7th) /Mars opposite Chiron and Neptune opposite ASC suggest that the relationship might get to a "dead end" as keeping it alive with no more clear purpose is potentially frustrating and hurting.... moreover, Jupiter/Moon, pointing to a very deep loving bond in stable second house, is quincunx to the Uranus/Neptune conjunction, and this is a strong divisive trait against the harmony.
yes, feelings are strong and also a sense of "soulmate" relationship might always be there... but in this picture, with Mercury square Pluto and opposite Jupiter/Moon, I see control issues and little space for compromise, it is all "completely with me or against me"...
I assume that as transiting Saturn will be conjunct Comp Saturn and tr Pluto conjunct Comp Mars in late february, you might be tempted to go back with her. Then Saturn will shortly go retrograde so it all might become a "dejà-vù" or so... until June, as transiting SN is going through the DSC and Juno, square to MC and Ceres, while Saturn entering Aquarius... this would look like a turning point when you might feel the need to move on from the past...

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posted January 08, 2020 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV4Four     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhhh!!!

So true, well I don’t think I’ll make the choice to go back to her... as last night we briefly had a conversation about how we felt about each other and I feel like she feels like I am a emotional block (Mars in Piesces, opposite her Jupiter)

I’m looking in the aspects you mentioned specifically about my career and or what I would have to sacrifice if I chose to choice my own life path.. but I can’t narrow it down. Do you have and suggestions or resources?

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posted January 08, 2020 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your natal Jupiter in 10th house is square to Venus and opposite Uranus, with your Saturn in Capricorn and Sun/Mercury in 8th house, so I assume you wish for a creative, successful stable profession, maybe also aiming to a leader position, allowing you to also enjoy your money in whatever pleasure and "higher life", but you also need to love your job and find creative/intellectual inspiration, so you likely would hate a "boring" job. The configuration with Jupiter in 10th square Venus and opposite Uranus, especially with Chiron in the same 10th house and also Saturn in Capricorn, suggests that you might struggle in finding such an ideal career stability and you might have to dedicate yourself a lot in order to achieve it, you're likely aware of this and dont want to miss any "lucky" chance...
In synastry with your actual gf, her Jupiter/Neptune is opposite your Jupiter and square your Venus, and her Uranus is quincunx your Chiron, so it looks like you might perceive her as an obstacle to your career plans or that your "lucky chances" might not fit to the relationship... In fact, in Composite, the Saturn/Chiron opposition is square to MC, and with Jupiter square Mars/Neptune I would assume that your individual choices would prevail over the relationship... but here you also have a "Bucket" pattern and two Grand Trines showing harmony and support in finding alternatives to balance your own choices and the relationship, if you are willing to and feel committed. What would you sacrifice otherwise? The composite shows the possibility to develope a deep intimate relationship with a woman who might fit to your "ideal" mate, in terms of emotional and also creative/intellectual terms, even though it all would force you to face some of your inner insecurities and learning to be more "open" towards the differences between you two.
Not sure if I have answered your question though!

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posted January 08, 2020 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV4Four     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are truly amazing, and I wish there was a way I could pay you for your time on this thread.

To answer your question on what I would be willing to sacrifice, the only thing that I consistently think about when I analyze that question would be, the type of person(physically, interest wise) I am with, and also if I have to live a more relaxed/routined life which makes me feel like I would be giving up a career and the path it would take me down.

Those are the only things that come to mind. And yes you are right that it does scare me because I also feel like if I don't make the choice to stay with her, I may never find someone that loves me as she does. I also feel like this "test" and or "moment of truth" is something being brought back from a past life.

She has hinted many times that she feels like she knows me, and she always says that she recognizes my eyes.

I guess it all boils down to, If I stay, and the relationship is one of a lifetime, or if my lesson is in letting her go and pursuing my dreams.

I'm still studying my natal chart to find more clues about this.

That's where the crossroad is.. All relationships have issues but if I'm getting signs and the astrology is confirming most of it, is it truly worth it to endure.....

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posted January 08, 2020 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your lovely words, but it's my pleasure to look at your chart! It is intriguing to me cause I am an Aqua Sun/Pisces ASC like your gf, and I love a Taurus guy 😍
Even if our story and synastry has a completely different dynamic, I still see some similarities between your personalities and the two of us 🙃

I completely understand what your crossroad is about and it is also clear from the Composite that it is not an easy choice for you... (Composite Grand Square formed by Saturn/ASC/Chiron opposition square to MC and Mercury) of course you will always have the chance to find someone who loves you, but since you're a Taurus 😉 I bet you feel to focus on what you realistically have *here* and *now* !

Well, as for your sacrifice, even if she's apparently a little restless and "fickle" in her life direction, she still needs to gain stability and some "relaxed/routined life" where she can nurture her intellectual skills and peace of mind (and also peace of heart, cause of her Sun square Moon!) :-)
Also, with her Taurus Moon/Juno in second house conjunct your Sun, she might actually be very close to that kind of mate for you... As I said before, there are some core "flaws" that will always be felt in the relationship, since you have no planet falling in 7th house in synastry, and Chiron and Vertex in Composite 7th house instead, but you have Sun in 4th house trine Moon and Jupiter in Libra 10th house sextile Moon in 8th house which might be a good "replacement" in the big picture... The main issue I see here is communication and your mutual understanding.

With Comp. Vertex/DSC trine to South Node and square to Mercury, you have actually a powerful psychic connection, empowered by the Comp. Moon in 8th house and the DW Moon 8th house overlays in synastry, so you potentially reach heavenly moments as you can "feel" what the other feels or have a intense "merging" feelings of intimacy.

The Comp. Vertex/DSC aspects to the nodes also point to a karmic connection or past life. South Node is in 10th house Libra, this looks like a past loving bond, it is square to Lilith/Mars and sextile Juno, so I would imagine a hindred love affair, a mistress, or a lost love/missed chance...
By a more earthly view, I would look at this placement as a loving relationship reminding past experiences, sexually driven and ruled by strong subconscious dynamics where the two feel quite familiar to each other and that their meeting is fated.

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posted January 09, 2020 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check out the synastry interpretations at :-
http://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/synastry-chart-online-calculator

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