posted June 10, 2014 10:11 PM            

Can it ever be channeled into something platonic/familial?

posted June 10, 2014 10:55 PM            

Venus conjunct mars is nice but feels very familiar to me so is not as exciting IMO.

You will think the other is attractive yes but you will be able to work well together no problem. It wouldn't necessarily lead to sex IMO.

I have mars and venus in leo and for me is harder to resist someone who has a venus and mars that trine my venus and mars...

posted June 11, 2014 03:58 AM            

Actually, I've noticed that attraction aspects don't seem to get switched on romantically unless the person also influences your 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, and/or your Vertex Axis. With the house stuff they can put planets in the 5th, 7th, or 8th, or they could tightly aspect the rulers of these houses. The 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are the love relationship houses and allow us to see others in a certain kind of light when they 'touch' that area of our chart.

I did an entire thread about attraction aspects being activated romantically or not in synastry, and the factors that contribute to this. Sometimes the attraction aspect is activated for one person and not for the other.

Here's the thread. SYNASTRY OF ATTRACTION: WHY IT DOES OR DOESN’T WORK http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/216505.html

posted June 11, 2014 06:32 AM              

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
The attraction aspects in astrology, including Venus/Mars do not always manifest in attraction, they also have a platonic manifestation. I mean, what if you had it with a relative? On a platonic level Venus/Mars could simply be a about being able to balance diplomacy with assertion.

Actually, I've noticed that attraction aspects don't seem to get switched on romantically unless the person also influences your 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, and/or your Vertex Axis. With the house stuff they can put planets in the 5th, 7th, or 8th, or they could tightly aspect the rulers of these houses. The 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are the love relationship houses and allow us to see others in a certain kind of light when they 'touch' that area of our chart.

I did an entire thread about attraction aspects being activated romantically or not in synastry, and the factors that contribute to this. Sometimes the attraction aspect is activated for one person and not for the other.

Here's the thread. SYNASTRY OF ATTRACTION: WHY IT DOES OR DOESN’T WORK http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/216505.html

Oh yeah, and even if you are attracted that doesn't mean you have to act on it. Every one has common sense and self-control, so if you've already decided you don't want to go there just don't let it bother you and focus on the job.

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That's interesting, Lotis, about the Vertex. Is it something you noticed statistically or does it come with an explanation: Vertex and attraction?

Also, what about the 1st house? Apparently that one is a strong attraction house as well. And more generally placements around the ASC.

posted June 11, 2014 07:11 AM              

(his Venus also conjuncts my ASC, my Venus conjuncts his Sun and ASC, and we have a close Moon-Moon-conjunction. lol)

We really like each other (I actually met him first), but that is about it. Just liking and a certain affinity, but there was never any romantic/ sexual spark, just some form of understanding, almost like I do understand my brother.

For me this Venus-Mars-conjunction takes place in the 12th house. For him it is on the cusp of the 11th house.

Mars rules my 4th house, Venus rules his 4th (and 9th) house. So this is probably more indicative of a certain similiarity in the family background, plus emphasising the Moon-Moon-conjunction.

The Moon-Moon-conjunction is a bit weird though, usng houserulers, as Moon rules my 8th house and his 7th.

posted June 11, 2014 07:48 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That's interesting, Lotis, about the Vertex. Is it something you noticed statistically or does it come with an explanation: Vertex and attraction?

Also, what about the 1st house? Apparently that one is a strong attraction house as well. And more generally placements around the ASC.

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The Vertex: the synchronicity of fated/meaningful encounters and important turning points in our lives, that help us get to where we need to be…

I've done a bunch of threads on the Vertex Axis in the past. It's strongly involved in a certain type of attraction. The Vertex is like is said to be associated with fateful events and wish fulfillment. When something happens that resonates strongly with us on a personal level the Vertex Axis is often responsible for that profound feeling of "It's happening now!". Whatever 'it' happens to be. When people aspect our Vertex Axis they can bring scenarios into our lives where it feels like some fated event, that perhaps we have longed for, is taking place. There's bizarre coincidences, an electric excitement, and a kooky sort of recognition going on.

The Vertex is "the point located at the intersection of the Ecliptic (path of the Sun) and the Prime Vertical, a plane that divides the celestial sphere into front and back." So basically, it's an intersection of the Sun's path. I've noticed that the Vertex Axis does have a 5th house/Leo-ish type feel to it. It makes things stand out to us as 'special', and allows certain things to be idealized or romanticized in our minds. I tend to think of Vertex attraction synastry as having effect similar to that as the 5th house. The Sun/5th house energy likes things to be epic and meaningful. I think this explains the feelings of destiny, and personal significance, that typically go with Vertex Axis transits and synastry. It gives that feeling that we're finding our path vibe (be it happy or sad... The Vertex is magnetic but it's doesn't guarantee anything).

When you combine typical attraction synastry with Vertex synastry the result is that the feelings of 'fatedness', synchronicity, dreams-coming-true, and an inexplicable sense of recognition, take on a romantic flavor. As you can imagine this can crate some pretty good feelings within us. We often learn important things about what we do or don't need in our relationships when a love interest aspects our Vertex Axis. The Vertex person is often utterly captivated by the planet/point person, and finds that the planet/point person resonates with them strongly on a personal level and stands out in their memory as an example of some type of ideal. The Planet/point person is able to tune into the Vertex Axis person’s sense of ‘destiny’ in terms of the stuff that was personally relevant to them (the stuff that haunts the Vertex Axis person), and may be curious about what catches the Vertex person’s attention (the planet/point person may wonder why the Vertex Axis person is so fixated by them).

I’ve seen many examples of Vertex Axis synastry in attraction in my research on a personal level and with celeb examples. I’ve rearly seen the Vertex Axis involved in attraction in isolation. Usually when there is a significant attraction there are a combination of factors involved in activating the synastry in a romantic way. At least two of the relationship houses seem to be involved (5th, 7th, 8th). But I’ve also noticed the Vertex Axis does seem to be part of the team of factors that can activate attraction synastry, changing it from platonic to romantic in nature. The best celeb example I can think of is Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt. His Vertex is conjunct her Venus/Asc conjunction, her Vertex is conjunct his Asc. I’m not sure I like them much as a couple because of how the relationship started but the synastry sure does explain the attraction.

posted June 11, 2014 09:49 AM              

I seem to notice that whenever Mars is involved with Venus (or Sun, Moon, ASC), it seems to be the Mars who feels that WANT for the other person (unless of course there are other factors factoring in like a cold gush of Saturn for example), while Venus does not necessarily reciprocrate in a passionate way.
And whenever Venus touches Sun, Moon or ASC, it seems her feeling attracted, but not neccwarily in a hot way, but more the harmonious "I think I like you and appreciate you" kind of way.

Did you notice this, too? Or is it just me?

In your synastry I notice that it is really his attraction-planets/ aspects that are figuring in, while your Mars is only mildly involved - I would say 5 degrees are still valid, but maybe not so much in your face like a closer orb would be.

But this is just a thought, might be totally wrong, or just valid for me.

Well for me it is different though, I feel very attracted to whatever touches my Venus, but Venus rules my 5th house and is squaring my Pluto under 3 degrees, so it is a little spiked up and more sexualized than it might be in other charts.

Mars on the other hand is a little less sexual than you would think in my chart, maybe cause itis in 12th house conjunct Neptune and ruling 4th house.

posted June 11, 2014 10:00 AM            

My venus and mars fall on this 8th and cojunct this 8th and his moon falls on my 5th.

We are both very attracted to each other and the sex is out of this world...........

so yeah the vertex is IMO a must in romantic relationship whether to venus/mars or the sun or the northnode........

posted June 11, 2014 10:34 AM            

I solved the puzzle with my synastry above.

That's why it is best to look at the natal chart first before assessing the synastry.

posted June 11, 2014 11:02 AM              

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Originally posted by Orange:

Natal, natal, natal > then synastry

Puzzle solved.

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over and over and over and over again.

For me Mercury and Jupiter need to be part of the equation. This is not negotiable.

Mercury rules my 7th house and conjuncts Sun. Jupiter rules pretty much everything including Mercury.

It might not neceesarily be about physical attraction, but for the basic one, the compatibility factor it needs to.

posted June 11, 2014 11:09 AM              

Actually I hae noticed that the 5th house factor is mandatory for this, like a preparation.
IF the 5th house AND the 8th house factor in, usually the sexual attraction is out of this world.
However if it is ONLY 8th house, I have not noticed that, though there is always a deep profound transformative aspect to the 8th.

I think I noticed something similiar in the relation bwetween 4th and 7th house, too. the 4th seems to be very important in relationships, but only ever blooms in romantic relationships, if the 7th house is also triggered. Almost like the 4th/ 7th and the 5th/8th work as pairings for romantic and sexual attraction.

posted June 11, 2014 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
you mentioned the 8th house.
I know that this is related to sexually intimate relationships, however I noticed that some times the 8th house factor can go either way. It doesn`t automatically translate to sexual attraction.

Actually I hae noticed that the 5th house factor is mandatory for this, like a preparation.
IF the 5th house AND the 8th house factor in, usually the sexual attraction is out of this world.
However if it is ONLY 8th house, I have not noticed that, though there is always a deep profound transformative aspect to the 8th.

I think I noticed something similiar in the relation bwetween 4th and 7th house, too. the 4th seems to be very important in relationships, but only ever blooms in romantic relationships, if the 7th house is also triggered. Almost like the 4th/ 7th and the 5th/8th work as pairings for romantic and sexual attraction.

Maybe it is just a peculiar thing I noticed though, and for other people it might be different.
I just wanted tomention it, that while the 5th house is uusally very reliable in terms of the sexual spark, the 8th house is not that reliable in my observation.

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This are very good observations....

Some corrections...

Actually with the guy I mention his MARS and MOON fall in my 5th and my venus/mars fall in his 8th, I forgot to mention his mars falls in my 5th in addition to his moon. Also his vertex conjuncts my venus and mars and what you are saying resonates with my chemistry with him...

Also however his venus/neptune conjuction and mars trines my venus and mars and vice versa and his venus/neptune conjuncts my sun/moon midpoint/neptune/GC.

With my husband my venus and mars fall in the very end of his 4th and conjunct his 5th, my eros conjuncts his IC by one orb, my SN falls in this 8th and conjuncts his 8th. His moon falls in my 7th but conjuncts my 8th..
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With my ex his moon falls on and conjuncts my IC very tightly and my moon falls on and conjuncts his DC almost exact.

My neptune in the first conjunct GC and my sun/moon midpoint conjuncts his mars in his 4th exact.

My Mercury which rules my sun, 10th and 7th house conjunct his AC. His neptune which rules his 7th and I have a lot of neptune influence conjuncts his IC and his vertex which both conjunct by one orb my South Node.

SO your point about relationships and the 4th and 7th is right on too; we were together for close to a year and wanted to get married but then I broke up w/ him and things got out of control, I even moved to another country shortly after.......

posted June 11, 2014 01:05 PM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
Yes, Ceri

In that particular synastry, my Moon, the ruler of my 5th house, had only one aspect and it was an exact square to his Pluto. While Pluto can be very sexy, in this case the square to my Moon did not produce any attraction feelings. My Moon did not relate to anything else in jis chart.

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I had been thinking about this, too. What if there is a very strong aspect to the ruler of a house, but it is an aspect to Uranus, Neptune or Pluto?

While these can under certan circumstances create rather insane crazymaking pull, well I don´t know. I think I favour the ruler of these houses having strong aspects to the personal planets and angles. It feels more personal somehow.

I know someone whose Pluto is exactly square my Veus, ruler of my 5th house, but while I am a sucker for Venus/Pluto, not with him.
Why not?
Why am I not gaga about him, when I was about other guys whose Pluto was even more widely quare my Venus?

I tentatively think it might have to do with the fact that it is ONLY his Pluto squaring my Venus (and my Uranus squaring his. lol), but other than mpthat my Venus is unaspected by his chart.

I know it is just celebrity synastry, but in the case of Jude Law, who to my utter dislike had some sort of powerful impact on me, there of cuorse is also his Pluto square my Venus. But it definitely felt different, though I know I am comparing apples with oranges, celebrity and such, lol- however in this case my Venus is also conjunct his Sun, so I was thinking maybe that is why.

In the case of my crush, there is only this widish trine to his Mars-Jupiter (oh and to his Chiron for the completion of a Grand Trine), no aspect to his Pluto. I wonder though, even though the trine is almost 5 degrees wide, maybe I DO feel it nevertheless because it is to his Mars?

(and of course his Mars is also involved in a T-square with my Jupiter and his Mercury on my Mars-Neptune-ASC, including both chartrulers and his DESC and IC-ruler as well, so it seems his Mars-Jupiter is a focal point in the synastry).

posted June 11, 2014 01:06 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
She is one amazing astrologer.

Search for her name here on LL. You will find a great astrology book, split up in several pieces.

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posted June 11, 2014 01:07 PM              

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Originally posted by amelia28:
SO your point about relationships and the 4th and 7th is right on too;

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Thanks for the confirmation.

Actually I always look at the Moon and Venus and 4th and 7th house together if I want to asess the more romantic/ intimate climate in a relationship.