posted August 31, 2020 05:26 PM            

I wrote about him in my @stoika thread which I encountered his "betrayal" and the others have @Graham and #Dwhelps been helping me get *over* it.

I'm sorry because I just can't stop believing its meant to be or special. I promise I will stop asking/talking about him after this, this is my last and final enquiry forever.

(but please don't feel pressured. If it's too troublesome and pointless, I understand)

My natal + progressed http://imgur.com/a/HbUJiTs

His natal + progressed http://imgur.com/a/PSeSZrm

Progressed composite: http://imgur.com/WP4zgLo
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Extra Info behind my obsession:
His Saturn return is coming next year, where Saturn would conjunct my Sun (Aquarius). Is this really a coincidence?
His Saturn return next year 9 Feb. http://imgur.com/a/EJtMlQU

Meanwhile my Jupiter return this year 29 Dec is filled with 7th house
My Jupiter return: http://imgur.com/a/o7Vffeq

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I would appreciate so much if you could spare some time to grant me some insight.
Thank you.

posted August 31, 2020 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Saggy7:
Hi AQUA, I hope all is well with you! I personally don't think you need to apologize for anything, I think some of us know exactly how you feel (me in particular).. Just look at my thread going on and on about the guy I am obsessing over..so I think we all understand how these things can be..I hope livvy will be able to give you some insight..best wishes xx

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Thank you Saggy7 I hope things have been well with you.

I just feel so... *insane* like this is not right, so I don't know why I feel this way hence I am so terrified of getting judged or people thinking I'm *troublesome*

posted August 31, 2020 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by livvywatermonkey:
Don’t worry Aqua ^_^ I’ll take a look & reply soon xx

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Thank you so much! I really appreciate this!? I can do a reading for you in exchange >.< Maybe tarot?

posted August 31, 2020 07:21 PM            

Your Moon/Chiron square his Saturn ... I feel that you may feel betrayed but also feel compassion towards him & that you are not enduringly angry towards him because somehow you do not yourself feel entirely worthy of attention, acceptance, protection or commitment ...

this dynamic feels familiar to you & thus has got you “immobilised” & yet it is also acting like a temporary shield against a deeper pain or sense of abandonment - does this make sense? No worries if it doesn’t resonate, feel free to let me know

posted August 31, 2020 07:38 PM            

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Originally posted by livvywatermonkey:
Dear Aqua,

Your Moon/Chiron square his Saturn ... I feel that you may feel betrayed but also feel compassion towards him & that you are not enduringly angry towards him because somehow you do not yourself feel entirely worthy of attention, acceptance, protection or commitment ...

this dynamic feels familiar to you & thus has got you “immobilised” & yet it is also acting like a temporary shield against a deeper pain or sense of abandonment - does this make sense? No worries if it doesn’t resonate, feel free to let me know

Looking at progressed synastry, there was an “active” trine (within 2 degree orb) between your progressed Venus & his natal Sun till around June this year. This could reflect how there was a certain ease to being around each other for a period of time, but either or both of you progressively stopped feeling at ease in your dynamic

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Oh my god you are so right! Yes and I feel so upset that even though I feel *this* betrayed, I can't help but still care about him!! And yes yes everything was awesome, never been better around june until July where we fell apart and all the *betrayal* came. "Stopped feeling at ease"

And you are also right, that this is familiar to me, as a shield against abandonment. I noticed some time back that I might be with him due to my fear of commitment (knowing he wouldn't commit to me, yet using him as an excuse to not commit to others but still receive their affection).

posted September 01, 2020 05:05 PM            

I feel that maybe both of you may have activated each other’s basic fears ... yours about betrayal/abandonment/deceit & his about rejection/accusation, or something like that (I’m not saying he didn’t betray you though!)

Remember however he may have betrayed you, it’s not a reflection on you or even the good times you shared but only on where he was at in himself.

I’m sure you would forgive him but even if he wanted to start something new, if things went badly again the question is would you forgive yourself.

We don’t owe it to ANYONE to direct our anger from betrayal towards ourselves instead of the person who’s betrayed us ...

posted September 02, 2020 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by livvywatermonkey:
Hello dear,

I feel that maybe both of you may have activated each other’s basic fears ... yours about betrayal/abandonment/deceit & his about rejection/accusation, or something like that (I’m not saying he didn’t betray you though!)

Remember however he may have betrayed you, it’s not a reflection on you or even the good times you shared but only on where he was at in himself.

I’m sure you would forgive him but even if he wanted to start something new, if things went badly again the question is would you forgive yourself.

We don’t owe it to ANYONE to direct our anger from betrayal towards ourselves instead of the person who’s betrayed us ...

there’s a way through to build good relationship again after betrayal, but forgiving someone else is so you can heal

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I fully agree with what you said for healing, and also I might not agree to a reconciliation in fear of being unable to forgive myself.

posted September 02, 2020 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by livvywatermonkey:
Hey Aqua,

What I’m thinking is your Jupiter/Uranus conjunct his Saturn in your 12th reflects that there could have been a heaviness in relating for him, he may have ended up acting out as a way of regaining control because your energy effortlessly overpowered his (not that you were necessarily trying to control him, indeed you may have felt he had the upper hand) & this could have made him feel weak instead of empowered ... you may have seen him as somewhat of an authority to start, or more mature than you in some way, & this may have been attractive to him, but the way your dynamic played out, he could have started to feel threatened & his own insecurities activated ... does this resonate?

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You are right again. I am starting to think you may be god or psychic. I sensed his *fear of rejection* rather early so I kind of took the initiative for everything and probably *overpowered* him and damaged his ego. I didn't realise he'd enjoy taking the lead more than following me. In fact I'd much rather follow. He is older as well and I really respect him. He probably liked how initiative I was at the start but over time started to feel emasculated.

posted September 03, 2020 07:15 PM            

I read about Juno yesterday on your advice I can relate with you cos I have progressed Juno in Aries & you have it natally - there’s very interesting info about it at this link

https://dreamastromeanings.com/juno-in-aries/

I’m guessing your progressed Juno is in Taurus so you may be acting in a way to try & make him feel secure & comfortable but not realise till afterwards you’re also seeking for him to pursue you & “take control” through taking the reins yourself. But his Cancer Moon/Chiron conjunction may tend to make him unreceptive/react negatively to what he may perceive as aggressive action

I hope this helps make sense of things <3

posted September 04, 2020 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by livvywatermonkey:
Hey Aqua,

I read about Juno yesterday on your advice I can relate with you cos I have progressed Juno in Aries & you have it natally - there’s very interesting info about it at this link

https://dreamastromeanings.com/juno-in-aries/

I’m guessing your progressed Juno is in Taurus so you may be acting in a way to try & make him feel secure & comfortable but not realise till afterwards you’re also seeking for him to pursue you & “take control” through taking the reins yourself. But his Cancer Moon/Chiron conjunction may tend to make him unreceptive/react negatively to what he may perceive as aggressive action

I hope this helps make sense of things <3

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Omg progressive charts sounds so amazing. How has progressive Juno in Aries altered your behaviour?

I met this other guy in Feb and wasn't interested and he knows about my main guy (V) etc
I noticed that he has been popping out whenever I think of V intensely. Almost like the universe using him to tell me "stop"

I found that my Juno conjunct his Jupiter EXACT. (I'm thinking this should be a red flag because of the relationship between Juno and Jupiter. Like I am starting to think Juno is NOT a good thing.)
His north node in Pisces, where my south node is.

posted September 04, 2020 09:15 PM            

I think progressed Juno in Aries could reflect me becoming a lot more active/taking a lot more initiative in “rebalancing the scales” of power between me & potential romantic interests ... taking less BS maybe

Personally I don’t think we can know what the future will bring, I think of astrology as making sense of the past & present but not necessarily being able to predict the future, only in the sense of processing past & present experience & thereby freeing ourselves up on the inside to make the most of future experience