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ScorpioASC
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posted July 01, 2022 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioASC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone. I've been debating back and forth about posting here for a synastry/composite reading as I'm paranoid about the guy I'm seeing (or even my friends) accidentally stumbling upon this post one day. Although I have no idea why I'm nervous as he's not particularly interested in astrology so the odds of him reading this are slim lol

Anyway, so I started seeing him in late January of this year after he relentlessly pursued me for a few weeks.

Me: Virgo sun, Leo moon, Scorpio rising, Virgo mercury, Libra venus, Capricorn mars.

Him: Capricorn sun, Scorpio moon, Virgo rising, Capricorn mercury, Scorpio venus, Leo mars.

I'm from the Pluto in Scorpio generation and he's from the Pluto in Virgo generation.

I had pretty much sworn off love entirely and didn't date or even sleep with anyone for several years and that all kind of changed after I met him. I found him irritating at first because he wouldn't leave me alone no matter how much I gave him the cold shoulder, but I guess my heart began to warm towards him over time and our passion hasn't died down since the moment we first kissed. Problem is that our relationship is unstable and by that I don't mean that there's abuse or toxic behavior going on. I just mean that he works in management for a hotel chain and he's often traveling so a good majority of our relationship is long distance. I yearn to be close to him every day and while we do talk on the phone almost every day, sometimes it's hard not being able to spend as much time with him as I would like. I miss him dearly.

I really believe we're soul mates but is there anything in our synastry or composite that suggests that we will be together for the longterm? I don't see particularly notable North/South Node contacts or Vertex/Anti-Vertex contacts which makes me worried that there's nothing that will keep us together. We do have a bunch of hard Saturn aspects so I don't know if that's a good thing to have. Both of us have hard Saturn aspects in our own natal charts though so maybe this will be a familiar tension for us?

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posted July 01, 2022 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioASC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since astro.com limits the amount of additional objects we can include on our charts, I took the liberty of copying and pasting all the aspects between our luminaries, planets, asteroids etc onto a text file for easier reviewing.

Here are the text files:


Some of the double whammies between us are

Sun-Neptune DW
Sun-Pluto DW
Sun-Erato DW
Moon-Mars DW
Moon-Galatea DW
Mercury-Jupiter DW
Mercury-Ascendant DW
Venus sextile Mars DW
Venus conjunct Ixion DW
Jupiter-Neptune DW
Jupiter trine Adonis DW
Saturn sextile Saturn 5°
Neptune-Ascendant DW
Pluto trine Descendant DW
Black Moon Lilith-Alma DW
Black Moon Lilith-Karma DW
Ceres trine Pholus DW
Juno-Cupido DW
Pholus-Galatea DW
Pholus sextile Union DW
Pholus-Karma DW
Ascendant-Erato DW
Ascendant-Priapus DW
Midheaven-Agapenor DW
Eros sextile Casanova DW
Valentine conjunct Apollo DW
Valentine opposite Valentine 2°
Alma-Galatea DW
Apollo opposite Apollo 0°
Aphrodite-Nymphe DW
Galatea conjunct Galatea 0°
Erato-Destinn DW
Devine trine Lust DW
Priapus trine Priapus 1°
Lust quintile Lust 0°
Nymphe square Nymphe 1°
My Venus parallel his Psyche 0°/My Psyche contra-parallel his Venus 0°
My Saturn parallel his Saturn 0°
My Valentine contra-parallel his Valentine 0°
My Agapenor parallel his Agapenor 0°
My Erato contra-parallel his Karma 0°/My Karma contra-parallel his Erato 0°


In mythological pairings we have

- My Jupiter sextile his Themis 0° in synastry
- Saturn square Rhea DW in synastry, Saturn square Rhea 2° in composite, Rhea parallel Saturn 0°
- My Uranus sesquiquadrate his Gaea 1° in synastry
- My Pluto opposite his Persephone 0° in synastry, Persephone contra-parallel Pluto 0°
- Eros square Psyche DW in synastry, Eros square Psyche 2° in composite, Eros parallel Psyche 0°
- My Adonis trine his Astarte 1° in synastry
- Anchises-Ishtar DW In synastry
- My Circe square his Odysseus 0° in synastry, Circe conjunct Odysseus 3° in composite
- My Penelope square his Odysseus 1° in synastry
- My Hades semi-sextile his Persephone 1° in synastry
- My Bacchus square his Ariadne 2° in synastry
- My Endymion sextile his Selene 0° in synastry
- My Endymion conjunct his Diana 0° in synastry
- My Artemis sextile his Endymion 0° in synastry
- My Horus trine his Hathor 2° in synastry
- My Chariklo square his Chiron 3° in synastry
- My Phaethon trine his Innanen 3° in synastry
- My Queen parallel his King 0°
- My Eva contra-parallel his Adam 0°

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posted July 01, 2022 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioASC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I almost forgot to include our house overlays for asteroids.

His Eros, Cupido, Galatea, Adonis, Casanova, Anteros and Boda in my 1st house.
His Amor and Sappho in my 5th house.
His Agapenor in my 7th house.
His Aphrodite in my 8th house.
His Psyche, Destinn and Erato in my 12th house.

My Casanova in his 1st house.
My Eros, Priapus, Alma and Boda in his 5th house.
My Destinn in his 7th house.
My Amor and Karma in his 8th house.
My Psyche, Apollo, Anteros and Name asteroid in his 12th house.

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posted July 02, 2022 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to see - my first choice of determining future potential - the progressed synastry.

You might share the graphs here from the moment you met until about 2040.
http://astrowin.org/scripts/prog_synastry_chart.php

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posted July 02, 2022 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioASC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you mir!

Problem is I can't remember the exact date we met. I know it had to be the second week of January, but as for the exact day of the month, I have no idea.

When I first met him I ignored him a lot which may be why I'm having trouble recalling the exact date of our first meeting. I thought he was just some creep when I met him until eventually he won me over lol

Should I just use an approximate date or will that give me inaccurate results?

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posted July 03, 2022 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It doesn't come to a month.. it's by year but you will see for yourself when the graphs appear..

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posted July 03, 2022 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioASC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol you are absolutely right on! I didn't realize that an exact day wasn't necessary. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I'm still a newbie at this.

I copy and pasted the info and graphs for anyone to analyze them.

Progressed Sun is trine progressed Venus

This connection is extremely significant in relationship astrology and is one of the main astrological reasons why you were drawn to each other.

This particular connection is commonly referred to as a Primary Relationship Indicator: it combines two of the most powerful symbols of relationship in astrology, the Sun, which symbolizes our life path and our ideals and Venus, which rules the manner in which we relate, the values with which we compare ourselves and others, and our romantic preferences. The angle of connection is of primary importance and in this case, this is via a harmonious and complimentary exchange of mutual attraction, admiration and respect.

While this connection is not a permanent dynamic of your relationship and it can last for a number of years, its effect conventionally lasts about 7 years.

Unless the Venus person in this relationship is an unusually dynamic individual, the Sun person is likely to take the initiative in matters that relate to the relationship. Booking restaurant tables and organizing outings are the sort of things that Venus hesitates to arrange. This can sometimes be seen as the Sun person's desire to control, however, unless other factors make this inappropriate, it is likely that you find your roles within this relationship comfortable.

It is very possible that you were drawn to each other after finding that you share common interests or aspirations. This is not always a "love at first sight" connection, but it can be "love at first insight" experience. Having said that, there is one case of probable love at first sight, between Franz Kafka and Dora Diamant, who claimed love at first sight. They shared a rare double progressed Sun progressed Venus trine, meaning that this aspect occurred twice in their relationship at the time they met.

In astrology, the Sun also represents the way that we negotiate and Venus represents the way that we compromise, the trine aspect enables a harmonious transition of energy from one planet to another. Many relationships begin under this auspice and at least for its duration, and potentially for much longer you will have the resources it provides to connect, combine and to enjoy each other's company. You can regard this time period as a window of opportunity. Trines are like gifts that should be used wisely, if either of you becomes complacent, which is always a possibility with any trine, you may find you lose sight of this great gift.

The presence of a Sun Venus trine in a relationship is advantageous, but it is not a panacea for love. Any trine aspect is a facilitative aspect, but it does not guarantee a long and happy life together - that depends on many other factors - but it will give you an advantage over many other relationships.

While this connection is applying, you will feel a greater intensity of attraction and limerence. This can sometimes take the form of excited expectation. This is an enjoyable time for most people. When the aspect becomes exact this period of time is when the relationship reaches a perfect point. After this point comes the aspect separation, this will often be accompanied by feelings of contentment or occasionally frustration. It is important to remember that progressed aspects reflect very closely the patterns of conventionality we find in relationships and the separation of a positive aspect is very often followed by the beginning of a new aspect.

Some famous couples who shared this connection at the outset of their relationship include: Queen Victoria and Prince Albert; Hugh Grant and Elizabeth Hurley, and Donald and Ivana Trump.


Progressed Sun is square progressed Venus

This is a significant connection between you. It will have an impact upon the way you relate and interact with each other.

Close connections by any astrological or harmonic angle create an intensity, the outcome of which is that both people involved pay attention to each other. If the connection that creates the stir between them is a square aspect then the outcomes are diverse, but they depend very much on other factors in their mutual astrology.

Square aspects traditionally highlight a difference between the two planets involved and this can manifest in disagreement. More often in relationships it manifests in matters of closeness. Sun Venus squares are not in themselves significant of incompatibility, but they can keep people apart or remote from each other due to factors other than personal compatibility and desire to be together. Because of this your relationship may be made difficult or complex. When Shakespeare coined the phrase "Star Crossed Lovers" to refer to Romeo and Juliet, he could have been referring to the Sun Venus square connection. It is generally influences outside the relationship that cause problems inside it. In the case of Romeo and Juliet, of course, the enmity of their families created problems for their relationship.

This is not a permanent dynamic of your relationship and will highlight a time in your relationship when much work has to be done before you can settle to a conventional routine. The progressed square aspect follows a pattern which sees it apply or develop, reach exactness and then separate. During the development phase, you are likely to be kept apart either physically or emotionally by some factor which might be beyond your control. This will come to a head at the point of exactness. During the separation phase of this aspect you will feel relief because the problems you experienced or envisaged have concluded and your path is cleared for a relationship to thrive and flourish. This particular aspect combination where both planets are progressing can occasionally last for an extended period, but it is much less of a problem, and often a positive connection during its separating phase.

The Sun in relationship astrology symbolizes our ability to negotiate, Venus symbolizes the way that we make compromises. When the two planets are connected by a Square aspect, their may be a disparity in the demands made by the Sun person upon the Venus person. While this may be out of necessity and not intentional, it very often causes stress. Examples of how Sun-Venus squares cause disparity and separation are as follows: one or both partners may already be in a relationship, there may be a geographical remoteness caused by one partner traveling or being forced by circumstance to work or live away from the other, or one of the partners may have children from a previous relationship or other responsibilities that requires them to divert their attention from their current relationship. Occasionally the Venus person will make demands of the Sun person, but this is most likely to be a response to the circumstances of the relationship rather than external demands placed upon them by their previous life-choices.

While the Sun and Venus in a square aspect is not a conventional relationship aspect, it will sometimes play a very positive role. It works as a very positive factor in relationships where one or both partners are working towards a difficult-to-reach goal which requires a lot of travel or concentration. IN this respect a cloying partnership will not help them achieve their goal. Occasionally it helps in relationships where both partners are free spirits who need to spend time alone or traveling.

Sun-Venus squares do highlight a difference in the two of you, while this is a marked difference it is probably not the only connection you share and may even enhance other astrological connections in a vibrant and exciting way. Because this is not a permanent connection, any differences are likely to be perceived rather than literal differences.

Some couples who shared this connection at the outset of their relationship include: Julia Roberts and Benjamin Bratt; Ringo Starr and Barbara Bach, and Amy Madigan and Ed Harris.

Progressed Venus is conjunct natal Mars

This connection is very significant in relationship astrology and is one of the main astrological reasons why you were drawn to each other.

This particular connection is most often found in relationships that can be described as extremely passionate affairs of the heart, but it is also quite a "safe" connection, meaning that it is less direct and disconcerting than some Venus-Mars connections.

It combines two of the most powerful symbols of relationship in astrology, Mars, which symbolizes the way we assert our desires, our passionate natures and physical sexuality with Venus, which rules the manner in which we relate, the values with which we compare ourselves and others, and our romantic preferences. The angle of connection is of primary importance and in this case, this is via the conjunction, as aspect of concentrated similarity which results in heightened physical attraction. If the vibrant energy that you share can be channeled there will be many opportunities to combine your energies and achieve good things together.

This connection is not permanent, but it will play a very important role in the way that you relate to each other at the beginning of your relationship. It can occasionally be long-lasting.

In astrology, Mars represents the way that we assert what we want and Venus represents the way that we compromise, the conjunction aspect combines energy from one planet to another in a similar way which while intense, is usually comfortable.

Many relationships begin under this auspice, but it is probable that the emphasis in this relationship will be on physical proximity and physical attraction, relationships which are founded on physicality are sometimes less robust in the long term. It is useful, therefore, especially if you wish to enjoy a long relationship, to contemplate other aspects of your relationship and to find ways to divert some of the very potent energy you share into mutual appreciation of your inner selves rather than your outer selves. The conjunction enables you to work towards shared goals and this can be very useful in relationships.

Some people want physical relationships which they do not expect to last forever. This aspect ensures that as a couple you can enjoy each other to a very high degree, at least for a time. If you are committed to a long relationship then it is useful to see this connection as a window of opportunity; a period of heightened attraction during which you were drawn to each other.

While this connection is applying, you will feel a greater intensity of attraction and limerence. This can sometimes take the form of excited expectation. This is an enjoyable time for most people. When the aspect becomes exact this period of time is when the relationship reaches a perfect point. After this point comes the aspect separation, this will often be accompanied by feelings of contentment or occasionally frustration. It is important to remember that progressed aspects reflect very closely the patterns of conventionality we find in relationships and the separation of a positive aspect is very often followed by the beginning of a new aspect.

Other couples who shared this connection at the outset of their relationships include: Kevin Kline and Phoebe Cates; Liv Tyler and Royston Langdon, and Julia Roberts and Kiefer Sutherland.

Natal Venus is conjunct progressed Venus

This connection is very significant in relationship astrology and is one of the main astrological reasons why you feel comfortable with each other.

Once a relationship with this active connection gets under way, there is a strong likelihood that the couple will feel very close, very quickly. The only problem is that sometimes the relationship might not get the chance to begin unless one of you makes the first move and this is a big stumbling block when Venus beholds Venus.

Venus is a passive planet and ideally needs another, more active planet like the Sun or Mars to make the first move, so when Venus and Venus connect, and a relationship ensues, it sometimes takes a lot of hints and hesitation from both parties, but it often becomes a very quiet, placid and loving affair. Where Mars and Venus talk passionately about their affair and the Sun and Venus talk creatively of their future, Venus and Venus go on a picnic, admire the view and recite poetic verses to one another (even if this is out of character).

The conjunction of Venus with Venus by progression in a relationship can be a very beautiful experience, even if it is accompanied by sleepless nights of sublime longing and hopeful expectation which are satisfied only in the presence of your lover.

If you are in a relationship with this aspect then it is possible that it will not be the only positive connection between you, but it will make a lot of difference in how you conduct your relationship, especially in the early days.

While this connection is not necessarily permanent, it can under some circumstances last for many years and on other occasions for as little as a year. It doesn't really matter how long it lasts because its purpose is to open a window of opportunity during which time you can experience the beauty of romantic love, what you do next is up to you both.


Natal Venus is square progressed Venus

This is a rare connection at the beginning of a relationship, but it can often form during an established relationship and create a crisis. It suggests that, for the duration of the progression, you will have different ideas about relationships. Even so, you may not address these differences or even be consciously aware that they exist, but if this is the case, you may feel conflicted for a time.

Typically an aspect such as this will last for a few years at most, only occasionally will its effect be marked for more than a couple of years.

Venus is the planet of relating, beauty, harmony and attraction, when Venus in one person's progressed chart connects by square aspect to Venus in their partner's natal chart, it means that all of these factors are at odds with each other. But, Venus being Venus, a passive planet which seeks out peace an harmony, you are more likely to avoid approaching each other than to seek out a resolution to this conflict and very often this is a good strategy as it will probably pass after a while. When this aspect occurs it is because you have something to change or learn in your relationship. Square aspects are sometimes indicators of dissatisfaction in that they will highlight problems in the relationship which lay under the surface or in the back of your minds. At other times they signify temporary separations due to external influences such as fame, incarceration, military service, or geographic distance.

If this aspect happens at the outset of your relationship, it is important to remember that it is not a permanent feature and it is also likely that it is not the main indicator in your relationship.

The outcomes of natal Venus squares are typically where one partner wants freedom while the other wants to be close. This does not usually last for long, but how you deal with this test may dictate how long your relationship will last.

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posted July 04, 2022 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I can reassure you that your relationship DEFINITELY has longterm potential, so NO WORRY about that. Look at that longggg Venus-Venus conjunction, that's a gift man!

The fact that NOW at this moment (and it might be a few years following) is not the right time to come closer is the Sun-venus square which is happily enough already separating but still active (within the window of opportunity as you can see) and that means OBSTACLES preventing your relationship from coming properly off the ground these days. The only thing you have to do is BE PATIENT! Cause there is really nothing to complain about regarding the future for you both...

isn't that good news?

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posted July 04, 2022 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioASC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's GREAT news!!! I'm over the moon with joy

Does it say which year(s) the Sun square Venus will come into effect? I'm not sure if I'm reading the chart correctly, but does it start between the years 2036 and 2038?

Edit: Oh wait, you said it's happening now but it's nearing the end? When does the square end?

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posted July 04, 2022 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be precise, it's ending in 2028 (you see the yellow line is touching the green line and then it goes OUT of the window of effectiveness) but it IS already largely separating now as you can see ... but it still might take some years for you to come closer, MIGHT.... (not nessecarily) but take that into account cause it's a real possibility.

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posted July 04, 2022 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a way of finetuning the matter a bit so see which potential timings there are for (more or less direct) CHANGE!! - and that's when the (progressed) luminaries come into play .........

Nothing happens without those big lights shining on and inspiring YOU here and now - the true activator you might say!

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posted July 04, 2022 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioASC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for explaining it to me. I think I'm beginning to understand how to interpret the lines on the chart now. So when one of the colored lines is below the line of effectiveness, that's when the effect of that aspect will be felt the most? And the further the colored lines are directed away from the effectiveness line that's when the effects of those aspects begins to fade away?

I guess I'm trying to figure out what the numbers on the left margin mean. Do those numbers represent the orb of influence? Is it like the Sun-Venus trine begins at a 10 degree orb? What does it mean when a colored line is horizontal at 10?

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posted July 06, 2022 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
***Thank you for explaining it to me. I think I'm beginning to understand how to interpret the lines on the chart now. So when one of the colored lines is below the line of effectiveness, that's when the effect of that aspect will be felt the most? And the further the colored lines are directed away from the effectiveness line that's when the effects of those aspects begins to fade away?***

Yes, then it will be felt most. The aspect is exact or at its peak at the very bottom and from there it is going to separate.... and finally leaves the window of effect after 2 deg.

***I guess I'm trying to figure out what the numbers on the left margin mean. Do those numbers represent the orb of influence? Is it like the Sun-Venus trine begins at a 10 degree orb? What does it mean when a colored line is horizontal at 10?***

Yes, the numbers on the left are the orbs. In your case the pVenus-pSun will be quite constant at a 10 deg orb for a while. P-to-p is a rrrreal slow mover and usually couples profit from a prog to prog aspect much longer like a decade or something (means: staying in the window of effectiveness) than you will as yours will only be of influence between 2038 and 2042, so a remarkably brief period for this aspect.

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posted July 07, 2022 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioASC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you mir. That was a great explanation and really helped me understand how to go about reading these kind of charts in the future.

It does make me sad that the Sun-Venus trine is so short and the Venus-Mars conjunction is already separating and will move out of effectiveness either later this year or next year. I just hope that Venus-Venus conjunction will be enough to keep our relationship going.

Do composite aspects help at all when it comes to the longevity of a relationship? We have Sun conjunct Venus and Venus conjunct Mars in composite so I wonder if that will help?

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posted July 07, 2022 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^
That is the first thing that caught my eye scrolling through your thread. YES, it is a verrry strong connection this threesome in tight aspect. Composite conjunctions and oppositions are in fact (only when TIGHT) the strongest resonances to occur in a comparison. This will definitely help. It's the entire base of your being, so to speak.
For myself, I am already proud of our composite Sun-Mars conjunction in the heliocentric realm - I know it's a very strong tie.

My sis and her boyfriend (together for decades) also only have a (rrreal slow) pVenus-pVenus conjunction for a longgg time and it only recently reached the window of effectiveness so you might say in some cases it's already effective without descending to the proper window.

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posted July 08, 2022 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioASC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oooh I would love to see a screenshot of your sister and her bf's pVenus-pVenus conjunction over the years. I'm trying to visualize it in my head from your description but not sure if I'm picturing it accurately.

You know I think I'm beginning to understand my own fears about the uncertainty regarding the future of my relationship. During this Saturn retrograde I've been an anxious and lonesome mess, yearning for someone (him) to comfort me. Transit Saturn is opposing my natal moon right now and the opposition transit doesn't end for me until February 2023. My Moon sextiles my Venus which is also trining transit Saturn.

I've always felt like there were two opposing forces coexisting inside me. There's the side of me that wants to "possess" the other in a relationship and be "possessed" by them in return which is probably due to my Scorpio ASC conjuncting my Pluto in Scorpio. And then there's this other side of me that wants freedom from commitments/restrictions which I think is coming from my Moon trine Uranus. I think this new relationship is supposed to teach me to embrace the unpredictability, uncertainty and impulsive nature of our romantic connection. While he's quite Plutonian himself, he's also got a lot of Uranus aspects natally which I think explains his attraction towards me (my Aquarius IC) and also explains his career choice where he's always on the go and never stays in one place for too long. I didn't notice it until today that his Uranus parallels my NN in a 1°54' orb. Our relationship is unconventional and I think the lesson I'm supposed to take away from all this is that I will get used to him popping in and out of my life randomly. I don't think it's going to affect the unconditional love that I have and will continue to have for him.

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