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stella polaris
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posted October 22, 2002 06:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spot on Bissie - as usual! Thanks a lot. I can add that I make my money selfemployed by doing a 3rd house activity...and that I just moved for the 25th time in my life...
As for my husband's Moon - the Neptun influence makes his true feelings an enigma to everyone, including himself and the 8th house placement shows that the only way he can express his feelings is through sex. And yeah, when someone is born or someone dies. His enourmous Leo ego will be incredibly flattered hearing that a complete female stranger is taking interest in his birth chart...
Yes, you got it right, we had a fight because he finds me too LILITH!

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posted October 22, 2002 07:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stella,

I show your Black Moon Lilith natally at 6 Libra 06. Can't tell you what that means, but perhaps you can figure out what it connects with in the chart and apply the information that is here.

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Bissie
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posted October 22, 2002 12:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey VenusPrincess
I have been busy lately, not much time..if you notice - I even posted to Stella yesterday at 3 in the morning..yaaawn

your Lilith is at 26'15 Taurus, exactly on your IC, and also conjuncting your Moon, but widely..it still is influensed thou. For Lilith on IC - check the message yto Stella as she has that aspect too.

As for your Moon/Lilith conjunction - a major aspect of the Black Moon Lilith to the Moon tends to add depth and stamina to it. The Moon, which by itself can be rather mellow, is reinforced by the qualities of independence and originality associated with the Black Moon, which many astrologers associate with Lilith the rebel, the woman who was created at the same time as Adam, not after him, and who separated from him because she could not bear to be subjected to his authority.
The Moon and Black Moon are both related to the subconscious and unconscious parts of the psyche. People with this aspect are likely to be quite in touch with the depth of themselves.
Consequently, at times there will be extremely violent emotions - the monsters of the depth are not buried far away, as they are in most people; they tend to manifest more directly in the person's mind.
But on the higher mode, the result of a Black Moon - Moon major aspect can be an exceptional intuition. In particular, the person can understand other people and feel what they feel as if they were inside them. There is also likely to be easy access to clairvoyance and higher aspects of spiritual Sight. How do you feel this aspect?

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Bissie
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posted October 22, 2002 01:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stella ...I am an 8-th housers sucker..so your husband`s 8th house Moon/Neptune grabbed my attention right away.. send him my best wishes

I guessed your Lilith character from the beggining, you does sound like one..by the way - Black Moon Lilith is very strong in my chart as well - it exactly conjunct my Sun and my DC , opposit my ASC and also conjunct my Mars..that is why I was so curiouse in reseraching more about Lilith..it explains a lot, isn`t it

P.S.
WoodLandGnome - maybe you are talking about the ASTEROID Lilith...make difference between Black Moon Lilith and the Asteroid Lilith - not the same.
Astro.com shows only the Asteroid Lilith(1181)

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Jaqueline
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posted October 22, 2002 09:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bissie

I can see that you are so busy now...but when you have time,could you see where's Black Moon Lilith in my natal chart ?


8/21/1962--3 pm
Rio de Janeiro,Brazil

Thanks

Jakie

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stella polaris
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posted October 23, 2002 12:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Lilith in the sign of partnership doesn't really make me an ideal wife...BUT: How strong influence does Lilith really have???!! I've read about her and strongly assosiate with this type of woman (I grew up in the most radical, feminist country in the world - we ARE like that!), I had no idea Lilith exists in a chart, though, but still, this is not Saturn or any other planet - isn't the influence pretty vague?
I read Liz Green's analyzis of Virgo as a partner and I think Virgos in general have a lot of Lilith in them. I found what Green says about Virgos getting married, but not in the true sense of the word, very accurate. I my case, Uranus in Virgo in the 1st house (I use equal, Bissie), adds to the rebell woman...My female Virgo friends are also very independent, the type if the husband walks out just shrugs the shoulders and thinks "now there are less laundry to do.."
I can understand your interest in 8th house, Bissie...8th house men/Scorpions are the most passionate lovers, in my opinion..Believe me, I got the statistic. (Oh, I'm glad my kids don't know English and can read this...)

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stella polaris
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posted October 23, 2002 01:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, Bissie, can I have a look at your birth chart, too? I think you gave me the info once, but I only have your Saturn-4th house friend on my PC. Thanks!

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Bissie
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posted October 23, 2002 02:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sure

24 Aug 1970 at 7:10 PM (19:10) in Sofia, Bulgaria

tell me if you see something interesting

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Bissie
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posted October 23, 2002 02:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jaqueline,
I will get back to you tomorrow..its 3 AM again here..zzzz

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VenusWarriorPrincess
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posted October 23, 2002 04:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bissie,

Thank you VERY much! You are a GEM! A nice, bright shiny one!
The info you posted for me is right on the money. I realized a lot of it earlier on, but had no true understanding as to HOW I got it, or how it came to be. Course, I was just moving with the flow of my natural dynamics.
Told you I was DEEP and not a shallow Libra! The integration of Lilith makes very good sense. I've always felt that there was more to me than JUST my Libra traits which really didn't seem to represent my overall personality or those deeper subconscious beliefs. Now the truth is revealed and now I have greater understanding, thanks to you dear Bissie. I just KNEW something else was influencing my depths and beliefs more than a cold scale. Seems Lili was dancing all over me! (heehee)
Yes, in the past, and even now, my intuition kicks butt! As a child, I was very sensitive and just knew things. I've frightened some adults by saying things that were beyond my true comprehension. Very fascinating!
The part about Lilith wanting to be equal to Adam and not lesser or being UNDER his authority holds true for me, and for that, I AM a Rebel! Is Venus Warrior Princess making any sense yet? (heehee) I think we all should be equal and not less than! Then we could move on to the really GOOD stuff!
Funny, I was thinking on the way home tonight that I felt my time here, in this lifetime as a Libra is to TEACH! To represent Justice and Fair Play. Showing all sides of issues or the possibilities stemming from issues whether positive or negative. Can you see this trait by reading some of my posts? Interesting isn't it?
Spiritual SIGHT you mentioned. Would this include seeing spirits, because that has always been a part of my life. I would see living and deceased ones. The living one's I'd just talk to like, damnit so and so, pick up the PHONE if your missing me!
It was the deceased ones that used to floor me, and I do mean literally!

Thanks again Bissie... Your a Angel!

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jam
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posted October 23, 2002 10:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey there - I new to Lindaland and logged on because I am a big fan of Linda's books!

I have a black moon Lilith in Gemini sitting on the cusp of my 8th and 9th house. Can somebody explain to me what this means?

Jam

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jam
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posted October 23, 2002 10:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey there - I new to Lindaland and logged on because I am a big fan of Linda's books!

I have a black moon Lilith in Gemini sitting on the cusp of my 8th and 9th house. Can somebody explain to me what this means?

Jam

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Bissie
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posted October 23, 2002 12:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VenusPrincess, you can`t imagine how happy you made me when I read your post. Thanks
Yes, in your posts which I`ve read so far you do sound like a person who have finally found peace of mind after a painful long quest for the meaning of all ups and downs in your life. Its like you finally realised your own power to make things happen and to do not depend on anything or anyone. Which is great.
Thanks again.

Jaqueline
your Black Moon Lilith is at 23'39 Virgo in your 9th house and has no aspects in your chart. Lilith in 9th may make you travel long distance to unknown lands where you will get in touch with the hidden strenth of your personality. In any case, there is likely to be a profound integration of instinct and knowledge; Its like you know 'the inside of things', using your sharp intuition and capacity to penetrate the intimate nature of things and people.

hey Jam, wellcome
read the description of Lilith in 9th house - in the post for Jaquelin


later
Bisie, your

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Muse1
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posted October 23, 2002 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Muse1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Everyone!!!
This seems so interesting
Bissie or can someone help me find mine asteroid lilith, black moon lilith, and dark moon lilith and the influence in my chart . My Dob: Dec 14 1973 Buffalo, NY, 11:46 pm
Thanks.
Muse1
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Muse1
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posted October 23, 2002 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Muse1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Everyone!!!
This seems so interesting
Bissie or can someone help me find mine asteroid lilith, black moon lilith, and dark moon lilith and the influence in my chart . My Dob: Dec 14 1973 Buffalo, NY, 11:46 pm
Thanks.
Muse1

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posted October 23, 2002 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bissie what does it mean when u have Lillith conjunct puto/ascendant/sun? I think thats what it is, will u check for me so pretty please, I need to know and I'm feeling very intense about this matter.
Thanks
My birth details. 18th Oct 1980
06:59 am
Belfast, Northern Ireland

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Bissie
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posted October 23, 2002 01:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aawww, SUE , look what you did to me..now i can`t manage all these requests., not much time either despit my desire to help everyone.

Quinnie how have you been ? I remember our conversation about your Sun/PLuto conj.

you are intense by many reasons, my dear...Sun/Pluto conjunction in your 1st house is very intense by itself alone. Black Moon only reinforce that power. Yes, you are right - your Lilith is at 22'45 Libra in 1st house, conjuncting Sun/PLuto.

Having Black Moon Lilith in 1st house suggest for strong influence of the values of the Black Moon in your personality. Intense passions - but they may be hidden in the depths of the unconscious mind (Pandora's box) . Extremely violent emotions at times. Rebellious nature, which can engage in fights against patriarchal authority. In a female chart, in particular, this can mean great difficulties and conflicts with the father.

Now to add more - Black MOon in conjunction to your Pluto is an aspect which can strongly reinforce the occult nature of Pluto, giving tremendous insight into the hidden mysteries of life.
It makes for rich, complex and tenacious sexual fantasies or on the contrary, fear of sexuality.
On the higher mode, the need for purity, perfection and absolute can be extreme.
In the conjunction, the meeting of Pluto( Hades) and Lilith can make great esotericists, magicians - but also necromancers. But think also of Adolf Hitler (very significant conjunction in the 8th house).

As for Sun/Black MOon conjunction, I know that could be very intense too..I have that conjunction myself, and it is at 0 degree.
Being conjunct to the Sun makes the Black Moon extremely powerful. Especially (but not only) in a female chart, a conjunction of Black Moon to the Sun tends to create a 'Lilith character': strong-willed, stubborn, independent mind and lover of freedom, original, non-conformist, rebellious, passionately disliking routines and enslavement at large.
A Lilith character does not hesitate to tell her/his boss what she/he thinks of him, and can't give a damn about consequences once she/he has made up her mind to do something.(yep, that is me..is it you? )
There are strong likes and dislikes, and a tendency to know immediately whether one likes someone or not.
With this aspect, you probably had major problems with the father . Either the father was absent, or perceived as absent, or was fought against. There is likely to be some deeply rooted wound in the psyche, relating to the father, with profound consequences on the whole organisation of the personality.
When experienced on its highest level, a tight conjunction of Black Moon to the Sun can make one quite psychic: premonitory dreams,intuition, natural affinity with the hidden mysteries of life, and clairvoyance.
oh la la
You need to study and research more about Lilith as it is very strong in your chart.


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Bissie
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posted October 23, 2002 01:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Muse

your Black Moon Lilith is at 8'09 Capricorn in your 4th house. Not any major aspect with it. Read one of my posts to Stella about Lilith in 4th house.

GUYs,
I am off with Lilith. Don`t have time to check anymore charts. Perheps some other time wheen I am free.

Thanks for sharing your charts with me. Later,
Bissie

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Jaqueline
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posted October 23, 2002 04:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Bissie

You were very kind

Jakie

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MARY
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posted October 23, 2002 05:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jam, Where did you find your info on your Lilith???

Is there a web site that has this info?

:Aquarius:

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VenusWarriorPrincess
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posted October 23, 2002 05:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bissie,

Your Great! Glad I made you happy!
My quest wasn't very painful, just enlightening, and the education was well worth the knowledge I have today. As I child I had natural instincts that were razor sharp, so I protected myself from unnecessary pain. Instinct baby, instinct.

Bissie, You need to take a Vacation!
How about relaxing in the tropic sand, overlooking blue/green seas, sipping your favorite drink and watching all the interesting specimens walk past?
Hmmm... Think I've just talked MYSELF into it!

Take Care sweetie...

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Bissie
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posted October 24, 2002 12:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hehehe VenusPrincess,
your advice sounds nice - here I am at the beachy island..but where are you?
http://groups.msn.com/Bissie/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2

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VenusWarriorPrincess
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posted October 24, 2002 03:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bissie,

I'm on the OTHER side!
I'll send you a smoke signal!

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VenusWarriorPrincess
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posted October 24, 2002 03:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bissie, Re: photo..

Ahhhh, I see where you are! No wonder you can't see me. I'm on the SAND where all the cuties are!

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jam
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posted October 24, 2002 06:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Mary - Re Position of Lilith:

Lilith came up in a detailed astrological chart I got from a professional astro service. Unfortunatelly, the explanations about her effects were rather unsatisfying and kind of negative, and so were the books I found about her. Seems Lilith is not yet much explored, at least on this side of the atlantic ... behind the ...

jam

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