posted December 11, 2002 07:02 AM              

of course I know about the Christian Church stealing the pagan holidays , I just didn't know (or forgot, obviously) about the December 25th.

Thanks for the explanation, Randall!

Jackie, this is really interesting! I'll print it and read it carefully later.

posted December 11, 2002 11:23 AM              

By the way...where are you from ?

posted December 11, 2002 10:44 PM              

Lots of teachings of Jesus was also not included in the Bible (reincarnanation, etc).
In missing account of Jesus's life he is believed to have visited India to acquire spiritual knowledge.

Jesus said he is Son of God. Krishna actually said he is the God. Krishna was born millions of years ago and Jesus almost 2000 years ago.

On a seperate note Krishna's body is is Blue in color, In physics Blue has more energy than Red. But its a totally different legend in India on why his body is blue.

Gautam buddha is actually said to be ninth avatar of Lord Vishnu (the omnipotent) 8th being that of Krishna. We are still waiting for the 10th. Wonder what star sign he will be born in. We will know for sure

My 2 cents

posted December 12, 2002 05:00 PM              

This is a really interesting thread and I'm really annoyed that I don't have the time now to stay and chat.

But here's a thought:
have any of you thought about JC being a Cancer? We all know Cancer is very compassionate and it is a cardinal sign, so it's in its nature to lead. If supported by other elements, why not?

I welcome all arguments for or against!

posted December 13, 2002 04:46 PM              

I don't know if he was a Leo...
What I do believe is that Jesus had all the human qualities and none of the defects. Maybe he has born in August, September, December... will that really matters ?

I don't think so. The important is his message...

If you look my e-mail, you will understand why I asked from where you were !

Enjoy your weekend !

posted December 14, 2002 01:05 AM              

I did not know Jayj was ill, I wondered about him, because his website had been down for awhile. That may be the reason. Well, I hope he is better.

Interestingly, there is so much conjecture out there as to the birthdate. Were you aware that Edgar Cayce gave a birthdate for Jesus? Yes, he did, as March 19, 4 BC. This is from an ARE press book called Edgar Cayce's Secrets of Astrology by Kirk Nelson.

Now, there are several other dates given by researchers into the Jewish traditions. Some come up with the September date based on the holidays and scripture regarding the birth. All interesting reading. Just don't know if we will ever know which is correct.
http://ad2004.com/Biblecodes/articles/yeshuabirth2.html

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We've gotten to the point where we are looking for corroberation
for the 1 Tishri, 3759 birth date for Yeshua (September 11, 3 BC)
by investigating whether the matrix also has the angelic announcement
to Mary and the conception. The conception should be 270-271 days
prior to the birth, or ~December 13, 4 BC

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http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/sukkoth.htm

The above link takes Jewish history and celebration events to pinpoint a time for Jesus to be born.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

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Horus of Egypt
The stories of Jesus and Horus are very similar, with Horus even contributing
the name of Jesus Christ. Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are
frequently interchangeable in the mythos ("I and my Father are one").
The legends of Horus go back thousands of years, and he shares the following
in common with Jesus:
Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with
his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old
Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist." He had 12 disciples.
He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
He walked on water.
Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc.
He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish ("Ichthys").
Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story.

In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis - the original "Madonna and Child"-and the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, who shares many qualities with Jesus and who existed as a deity long before the Jesus character was formalized. The Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced.
Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to water to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier pagan mystery religions.

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The man known as Jesus was born on April 17th, 6BC on the Spring soltice. In order to regulize his status he was allocated the official birthday of 15 September in line with the Messianic requirment. His actual birthday was required to be with the Spring equinox and was planned by the Essenes to be part of a ritual of 're-birth and renewal' and as in the Zadokite tradition was aligned to the rising of Venus in it's first cycle.
Jesus had been born at the wrong time of the year according to the prevailing Jewish Church rules.. His brother James had been born within all the rules and there was certainly no disputing his legitimacy.
The true birthday of Jesus was changed again by a Roman and actually falls on a date that celebrated a pagan holiday, in which this Roman took part. It was in A.D. 314 the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, changed the date of Jesus's birthday to December 25. Sad to say this date is still believed by many to be his birthdate.

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So, that is some of the stuff I have been researching. Just thought it was interesting.

posted December 14, 2002 01:30 PM              

I love the way your mind works!! I can never organize facts quite like that!! I suppose it is all that Leo in my chart, I am just blustery and dramatic. Cancer Sun, Leo Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Mercury, Pluto and Scorpio Rising. So, I admire the ability you have that I lack. But, yes, I agree that there were no pronouns, in fact, I even looked for them. Of course, I relate everything to the Goddess and I pick up here and there that Linda did seem to be inclined toward a Marist theme, but I am glad someone else saw that, also.

I think Mary Magdalene is the key to it all, but that has nothing to do with Jesus's birthdate, but she is the key to much of it. I read somewhere that Jesus had the perfect DNA and her pregnancy by him was most important in carrying on that perfect strain of DNA. And of course, I relate to Mary Magdalene, and her Feast Day is the day of my birth, July 22. Long before I knew it was her Feast Day, she was just one of my most favorites.

posted December 14, 2002 01:47 PM              

Thank you so much. You have transformed my day with your links!

Oh, and I like your name Ok mine is the same!

posted December 14, 2002 02:38 PM              

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THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS JEWISH:

1. He went into his father’s business.
2. He lived at home until he was 33.
3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin, and his Mother was sure he was God.

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS BLACK:

1. He called everybody “brother.”
2. He liked Gospel.
3. He couldn’t get a fair trial.

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS A CALIFORNIAN:

1. He never cut his hair.
2. He walked around barefoot.
3. He started a new religion.

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS IRISH:

1. He never got married.
2. He was always telling stories.
3. He loved green pastures.

THREE CHARACTERISTICS THAT SUGGEST JESUS WAS PUERTO RICAN:

1. His first name was Jesus.
2. He was bilingual.
3. He was always being harassed by the authorities.

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS ITALIAN:

1. He talked with his hands.
2. He had wine with every meal.
3. He worked in the building trades.

(and the most compelling observations . . .)

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS A WOMAN:

1. He had to feed a crowd, at a moment’s notice, when there was no food.
2. He kept trying to get the message across to a bunch of men who just didn’t get it.
3. Even when he was dead, he had to get up because there was more work for him to do.

[Author unknown]

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posted December 14, 2002 10:53 PM              

Today is not my day..I feel like I cannot make sense..

posted December 14, 2002 11:33 PM            

the Fajita: the Bible still kind of contains references to astrology for those with the eyes to see and ears to hear. For example the 7 Days of Creation are clearly linked to the 7 classical planets.

A hint: day 6 is related to Venus. Can anyone extrapolate the rest of the allocations? Carlo, this would be another exercise in astrological gymnastics that I love so well.

Linda often spoke of another classical reference to astrology in Eccelsiastes:

3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

So, even though the book has been purged, God still made sure that some of the good stuff was left behind for us to find! She has a great sense of humor that way.

Pax et Bonum...

A

posted December 14, 2002 11:42 PM            

As I reread my previous post, I just realized that the VERSE numbers also relate Numerologically to the sentences they contain.

Does anyone see it?

I've looked at that passage MANY times, and this is the first time that thought occurred to me. Yet another example of God's divine, if somewhat twisted, sense of humor!

Blessings...

A

posted December 15, 2002 12:06 AM              

Sometimes Christians I know laugh at my constant talk of astrology, rather, they scoff at it. But I don't see why. If God created the heavens and the planets and the dimensions and our souls, why can't I be fascinated by it!

posted December 15, 2002 06:55 AM              

And when I looked at number 5, the first thought was the 5th house (cast away stones symblically sounds like having children - or maybe it's just my biological clock talking )).

I'd be so grateful for an explanation, or at least for another clue - I love solving mysteries (doesn't mean that I'm good at it, but I do love it).

Hi, Jackie! Did you know that the expression "fata morgana" comes from Morgan the witch from the legend or King Arthur?

And, Donna: that perfect DNA that you talk about reminded me of the theory of an English historian (I can't remember which) saying that the holy grail was Mary Magdalene herself, carrying the Jesus' son (she was the holy vessel containing the holy blood), meaning she was continuing Jesus' bloodline, which was also, by some, the bloodline of king David - that's why Jesus was persecuted; he was dangerous to the Romans because he was the direct descendant of king David - he was called "the king of the Jews". So, Mary Magdalene was taken out of the country heavily guarded (she was staying in the fort of Magdala) and it is believed by some that the famed holy grail is in fact the direct descendant of Christ, carrying on his bloodline, protected by the Rosicrucians.