posted December 28, 2002 03:15 PM              

I bet the reason for kids nowadays, Generation Z, are so quickly developing sexually and becoming comfortable with their sexuality as a whole is because of this Pluto in Scorpio aspect.
I mean how many fricken reports and studies have there been that found kids are more sexual now, than ever. Of course this could be the evolution of sex in our society, but I bet the Pluto in Scorp influences it as well.

posted December 28, 2002 04:23 PM              

Carlo, I don't have the smallest doubt that Aselzion's Pluto is in Virgo, as yours and mine !
Just as his Neptune is in Scorpio, as yours and mine !

And there's is no big deal on that,I'm a Leo that happens to have 3 planets in Virgo, including Mercury...I can also be plenty observer...!
Carlo dear, if you can accept that Jesus was a Leo girl, what is the difficulty of accepting that Aselzion has Pluto in Virgo !
And,if Jesus was a Leo...why this sign cannot be the astrologers' sign ?
That is a metaphor, obviously...

Love
Jakie

posted December 28, 2002 10:22 PM            

He called me old man, and I just made myself a little older is all. I can't believe there was such a great bru-ha-ha over it!

In terms of why I believe Leo to be the sign of the astrologer.. as I said.. my theory... I may be wrong. And Carlo, I won't waste the bandwith trying to defend my position. I'm simply asking people to think outside the box.

YOU MAY be wrong.. you are definiteley spot off in guessing me as a Pluto in Leo. And whether I choose to discuss my chart in more than generalities is my business. I do not say the things I say to lie or to mislead.. only to discard the prejudices and preconceived notions that people who know astrology always seem to have about particular signs.

If you don't like my reasoning that's fine. Then may I ask you to PROVE to me why Uranus rules astrology. And just because it's what EVERYBODY says isn't good enough... as Linda has so often said, everybody MAY be wrong.. look at the whole matter of death vs a Physically Immortal Life!

I'm sorry I seem to offend your sensibilities so.

Blessings..

A

posted December 28, 2002 10:51 PM            

Umm did you try the thing with the Inconjunct aspect that I mentioned? Did you give my theory even a second thought? Did it make you think at all? If it did, then I accomplished my goal.

I never said Leo ruled astrology I said it was the sign of the Astrologer.. very different! But it is my belief that the Sun does rule Astrology.. for the reasons stated that you find so open to ridicule and for others that I haven't revealed yet. Perhaps the time for revealing is coming when I write my book.

Perhaps I'm just a colossal windbag. But I am NOT PLAYING to be deceitful. Nor am I trying to confuse the knowflakes... and you seem to feel that was my goal. It was not. I honor Truth.. to the best of my ability, and I honor my right and EVERYONE's to their privacy. If you choose to openly discuss your chart that is your choice. If I do not that is mine.. but it is by no means to PLAY, LIE TO or in any other way take advantage of anyone.

You said, : " I know all I need to know or care to know." based on judgments you had made... partially due to your opinion that I have Pluto in Leo.. which I DO NOT. But thank you for proving my point.

I bid you Peace...

posted December 29, 2002 08:51 AM              

Where's all the faith gone, people? Is this not the Linda Goodman forum?

Now let's lean back and wait for the Carlattack.

posted December 29, 2002 09:20 AM            

If you find my theory so laughable, and I think you missed the point about exactly why I feel that way, I will end this discussion with one of your own thoughts...

You so kindly gave me a step ladder to get over myself.. well I will return it to you now, that you may do the same thing and get over YOURs ELF.

Think what you will of my thoughts or theories... but when you made that snide step ladder remark, you actually rather did insult me personally.

You don't think well of my practice of the Art, so be it. Let us say that we probably feel about the same way, and agree to disagree.

Truce and Pax...

posted December 29, 2002 10:26 AM              

Linda for instance never hid her weaknesses and her doubt, she was not in a pedestal, she was not unattainable, maybe for that reason she became almost a goddess.
As if she said, "I am wise, I know a lot of things, yet, before everything, I'm a human being ".

Anyway, age taught me to respect other's options. I may not agree, but I respect.

I believe that all of us are here to learn and to teach, to share and to increase, and in my opinion, when the master gets off the pedestal he teaches better. Showing his weaknesses, he became strong...

Yet, this is just my humble opinion.

posted December 29, 2002 11:13 AM              

Jesus was the most illuminated of the spirits, any other one, before or after, was not capable to teach us so much in so little pages...

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.
If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic.
Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you."

"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you?
Even 'sinners' love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back."

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

"Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit?
A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher."

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

"No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.
Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks."

"What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you."

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

Peace and Love

Jakie

posted December 29, 2002 09:04 PM            

In terms of teachers and pedestals.. I have NOT endeavored to place myself upon any pedestal. I am only here to share information where I can, and engage in conversation. And I'm sorry but I don't see how knowing my chart will help or hinder that process; that's how I feel and I mean no offense.

Carlo.. in terms of my first point being astronomical. WRONG again. Astrology is the mother of astronomy. The first astronomers were FIRST Astrologers who wanted to perfect their calculations and predictions. And the Sun being the center of our Solar system is a fundamental astrological AND astronomical FACT.

The Astrological or metaphysical part followed, and if you had taken off your astronomy blinders you would have seen it.

More in a minute...

posted December 29, 2002 09:26 PM            

I have said before that I feel Astrology is God's handwriting on the wall, and astrologers are merely its interpreters.

Why does astrology work? Some people think it has to do with electromagnetic vibrations from the planets. It is my belief that the Sun or Solar Logos, that aspect of God manifesting as the physical Sun, sends it's rays constantly out into the solar system. When these rays reach the other planets, they are infused with the nature of that planet and then reflected back to the Sun. As I said, we are constantly being bombarded by these rays or vibrations, and respond to them in predictable and measurable ways.. that is Astrology.. not astronomy.

As to whether or not you speak out against my book or my theories... I don't appreciate threats. I think that was both unkindly and unneccessarily said.

You state that I am a Pagan. WRONG again. I have nothing against Pagans certainly, but I was born a Catholic. Since then I have "left the fold", becoming what I like to call an Esoteric or Qabalistic Christian. I respect the Goddess, but that Path is not mine in this lifetime.

Despite what you may think, I am not trying to shift astrology to conform to astronomy. If I were I would use a sidereal zodiac, which I do not. When I Progress a chart I would correct it for Precession of the Equinoxes, which I do not! I use Tropical Zodiac, Classical planets with the outers, I DO NOT use Chiron or asteroids by personal choice, I don't condemn them either, and I use Equal Houses for certain purposes and the Campanus System of House Division for other purposes.

That being said, I do believe that ALL SYSTEMS work, if one is a good enough interpreter.

I bid you Peace...

A

posted December 30, 2002 01:03 AM              

Peace A