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Harpyr
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posted January 08, 2003 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Merry Meet my fellow MoonMates!
There's been so much I want to respond to since I was last here.
Thank you for the love, first off.

I feel that my Scorpio moon is equally as powerful, if not more than my Sag sun. Perhaps this has to do with the Moon/Venus/Uranus Scorpio conjunction in my chart, though at times the Sagittarius shines very powerfully (sun, merc., mars, neptune) and often masks quite well the Plutonion influence underlying my nature, making it that much more surprising when the penetrating intensity of Scorpio surfaces unexpectedly. (poops, purpleflame, I think you may understand what I'm talking about especially .)

As far as men being fearful, I have had experience with that. The sunny, gregarious Sagittarius draws men to me, they seem quite attracted at first by my warm smile but once friendship is established, I can tell I become intimidating for some reason. Perhaps it is that once the seemingly lighthearted surface of Sag. is scratched, the powerful intensity of Scorpio becomes quite apparent and it is obvious that my feelings are deep and all-encompassing and surely not to be trifled with.

I think the reason I have such difficulty expressing my feeling is that I realize there is a good possiblity that if I were to reveal the full extent of my emotions, many a man would run for the hills for lack of an ability to relate. (Unless they have Scorpio prominent in their chart as well, a scenario I have only experienced once in my life)

When I find myself at a loss, unable to verbally express my full feelings for someone, I tend to fall back on physical expression with the assumption that they will know how I feel intuitively somehow and have found that this isn't really an effective way of sharing, most of the time. Most often, later down the road there is some conversation along the lines of,
'What do you mean, you didn't know that's how I felt?!'
' Well, you never SAID anything...'

For me personally, though I realize this may not be the case for all the secretive Scorpio type (important to remember), the way that works best to get me to reveal my deepest, darkest secrets is to have someone simply ask probing questions. If the right questions are asked, the truthful Sagittarius speaks up and the secretive Scorpio in me feels loosened up enough to share. I think it's because I figure that if they are asking the right questions, then they are less likely to be scared away by the answers. Of course some measure of intuition is quite necessary to know which questions to ask, which is why I was able to share so much with my Pisces lover.

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Harpyr
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posted January 08, 2003 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am very curious to know how I would do with a man whose sun sign is Scorpio, for I have never had that experience before, and I find myself in the beginning stages of developing a crush on one such Eagle type.
It's the Scorpionic tendancy towards cruelness that frightens me. My experience with my first boyfriend, YEARS ago, was a Leo sun with Scorpio Moon. He could be quite malicious at times, especially when he was arguing a point with me and that Leo sun just ALWAYS had to be right. It butted right up against the ego of my Leo rising with the willpower of my Scorpio moon going head to head with his.

The ending of that relationship was a good example to respond to Bissie's post awhile back asking about betrayal and forgiveness. I forgave the first time he hurt me deeply because he was my first love and I wanted it to work, we had soo much in common as well, he gave me an excuse and I accepted it and told him not to do it again.
He strayed again. And I said goodbye, do not pass go, do not collect $200, that is that. He pleaded and begged and pulled out all the stops but my heart had gone icy. I still cared about him as a human and as someone I had once loved (though the vindictive part of enjoyed seeing how much he was tortured by my refusal to forgive the second indescretion and take him back) but I knew that I would never 'BE' in love with him ever again. Since years have passed though, we are able to maintain a friendship, albeit a distant one.

So Bissie, Lost Leo, if you are in love with a Scorpio and you have somehow hurt them, PERHAPS they will forgive you once but almost certainly not a second time..be forewarned.

Okay, I'm really rambling on perhaps. One last thing I want to touch on here...
Sort of relating to 's post about how what you think about directly affects what happens to you...
I've blamed my Scorpio side on this tendancy I have where my mind wanders to all these potential catastrophic events that could happen in the course of a day. Like, I'll be thinking about what would happen if an intruder entered my house in the night but then I see my self rendering him unconcious with my trusty softball bat or something like that. So I always have these really morbid fantasies but in the end I always survive, even if really bad things happen to me, I always manage to overcome.
This isn't something that I've ever really shared with anyone before because I don't want seem a freak but it has been something I have done since I was a small child. Of course when I was a kid they were much more fantastical..like being in band class and imagining some scary group of people taking the school hostage and suddenly I reveal my super powers that I use to save the day.
VeRy odd, huh?
Anybody else have this weird tendancy?


Bright Blessings,
Harpyr

*sorry for such a long post!*

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Harpyr
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posted January 08, 2003 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Harpyr
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posted January 08, 2003 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry for the double posting...yikes, i forgot to hit refresh!

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Lost Leo
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posted January 08, 2003 08:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hurt her twice, guess I'm out...

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ice Mists
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posted January 09, 2003 12:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
morgana

i meant that it's better to leave the past alone, what has happened cannot be undone (nor do i imply that anyone desires to undo it)

dwelling on past experiences is not going to change it, it only reinforces the intensity of its occurrence and makes it easier to think about it again, small recurring actions in the same direction while may be harmless in itself soon builds a habit that either make us or break us

i agree that something has to die in order for a new birth, why not let the past die and allow the person that we are right this moment be the foundation of our renewed selves and our new experiences, by actively creating what we love...yeah all or nothing at all

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posted January 09, 2003 12:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmm maybe you can try wooing her like the very first time you met

if she has truly love you once, she'll always love you somewhere deep inside her

the feminine sex has a very soft heart

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Twin Lady
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posted January 09, 2003 02:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LL,

Your question: "Makes sense to me ladies... But you all said it's power can be negative in your youth.
What do you mean by negative, like you used it for bad means? How is that possible?"

Again speaking just for myself, when I was younger my Scorpio Moon dominated me, instead of the other way around. In keeping with my earlier post saying that Moon energy is receptive, I read somewhere that the Moon in our charts is more prevalent in childhood, maybe because children have yet to learn some control over their emotions and the Moon is all about one's emotions. When they are the intense Scorpio kind and "untamed" by maturity's wisdom, it could spell problems. This was the case for me. As I grew older and learned more about Astrology, I was able to temper the intensity with the intellectual logic of my Gem Sun and soften it somewhat with my Pisces Rising energy. I mentioned in an earlier post that when my children and I were abandoned by my second husband, it was the power and will of my Lunar Scorpio energy that gave me the strength to not only survive, but be strong for my children as well. I admit to having fantasies about my ex's and the other woman's destruction, but I did NOT act on any of them and realized that I was only hurting myself by being caught up in them. Over time, I rose above them and FOR MY SAKE, forgave (though I didn't forget). I believe Scorpio power is like money or sex - - neither good nor bad in and of itself - - but HOW WE HANDLE IT determines whether it will be used in a positive or negative way. I'd like to say more, but I've got to get some sleep...

Till next time,

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Lost Leo
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posted January 09, 2003 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting Twin Lady, you got me thinking.

As for my lost love... from what I've gathered from you ladies it's best to just let it die.

I see so much of her in what you ladies say, for her... it appears she totally has this internal conflict, like the will overpowering the heart in her actions.
Like she calls meekly trying to go out one night, but has a damn hard time getting the words out her mouth. Since the day we broke up it appears she doesn't trust herself alone with me... at least that's my intuition. I've only met her at work or at a club, and at the club when her friends had disappeared she couldn't keep her hands off me... but she WAS enebriated. I think she feels weird being cool with me around her friends because she talked SOO much sh*t on me to them immediately after the breakup.

I've actually put a test of her Scorpionity into place. We last spoke two months ago and she was the last to call me. Well I had had enough of her meek calls to go out, I thought, "Be decisive!" but she's probably just being self-protective. Anyways, I let Thanksgiving go by & Xmas before I contacted her again. But I did send her a happy holiday email right after Xmas, and I know she got it... I just wonder how long her vindictiveness will make me wait for her call, lol.

I love her and a part of me always will, but she is the ONLY woman I've been with I've never understood, I always had intuitions about how she feels, but she never spoke EVER about her feelings.

Funny how speaking with you ladies months later actually reaffirms my intuition and how I thought she felt, too late now. Maybe one day it will be reborn on a even higher level.
Sorry for rambling on... it's totally off topic, oops

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Twin Lady
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posted January 09, 2003 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LL,

My heart goes out to you; I noticed in another thread you mentioned having a Pisces Moon and that it conflicted with your Leo Sun, wondering if there is anything good about Pisces energy. MY humble opinion is yes! You may remember me saying my second husband was a Leo. Well, he is practically ALL Leo and Virgo...with the only water in his chart at all being Neptune at 0 degrees Scorpio. This resulted in him being a combination of arrogant and cold towards me at the end...with no remorse whatsoever about how he hurt me and our children. This made it almost impossible for me to forgive him, though I did eventually for my own sake, as I previously said. What I'm getting at in your case is that you sound genuinely sorry for whatever way you hurt your lost Scorpio love and it's possible your Pisces Moon is the reason. Please don't misunderstand; I am not putting down Leos at all! I generally get along quite well with this sign, and it has figured prominently in the charts of most men I've been involved with, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, and/or Ascendant. The trouble arose if or when they showed an arrogance or know-it-all attitude; that didn't sit well with my Scorpio Moon, lol. I believe that it's about trust and respect, nomatter what 2 signs are in a relationship together.

Do you have Linda Goodman's Love Signs? Other than all the possible Sunsign combinations, at the back of the book she describes the blending of elements and Sun Sign compatibilities. Leo and Scorpio are square, which is explained under what she calls the 4-10 Sun Sign Pattern. Basically it says there is a tension between squaring signs, but if there is a conjunction, sextile or trine between the Moons and Ascendants there can be much respect, devotion and loyalty for even squaring Suns. What are your Rising and your ex's Moon and Rising Signs? Maybe there is still hope...and if there isn't, it sounds like you have learned a great deal from your relationship with her; the fact that you have spent a lot of time reading the posts of us ladies with Scorpio Moons shows me you really want to understand. That being the case, I'm confident you will handle any future connections with Scorpio in a way that will bring happiness to both of you. I wish you well.

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morgana
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posted January 09, 2003 05:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, my Moonmates!

Thanks, poops. I hope you win, you and your hubby.

Harpyr, this is so funny, I have the same fantasies! (I don't remember whether I had them as a child, too, though.) I'm frequently imagining that something terrible happens and I am a hero that saves the day, but usually I'm saving the ones I love and maybe in the progress I offer to sacrifice my life to save them. But most often I imagine someone attacking my b/f (the person I love the most) and I leap into his defence and attack the villain(s) with such physical force and anger that they don't even have a chance to defend themselves. And I think I'm quite capable of doing that in real life too because I can be extremely aggressive at times. Don't know about the outcome, though Ever since I was a child I've always liked to show off my physical strength and I used to compete with boys in who's the fastest and strongest. Not that I'm particularly strong or muscular, but I like to show off my strength, you know? Oh my, this sounds so stupid

But you're right, one has to be careful about one's thoughts. I often experienced my fantasies coming to life, but mostly the bad ones. It's like the bad things manifest easier or faster than the good. Ever since I imagined my b/f being in hospital (for my selfish reasons I fantasized that would be a really good way to show him how much I love him) and that really happened and he almost died, I am VERY careful what I think about. When I catch myself thinking something negative, I say to myself "strike that", and try to think of something else.

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morgana
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posted January 09, 2003 05:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Part 2:

I can definitely relate to you about what you said about your fights with your husband - I always have to win the fight with my b/f, I just can't seem to stop until I do. Then afterwards when I calm down, I'm able to see his side too, but not before. It's like something possesses me and drives me on with such force that I can't even see straight. I bang my head against the wall until it cracks

Ice Mists (you good old wise witch), you're so right, but for me that's a very big step to overcome. I think if I can master the forgive&forget, I can do anything. Your last sentence about starting anew as we are now really made me think. Why not, in fact? I'll try to do that, maybe it'll work. Thank you so much!!!

TwinLady, you said it all.

LL, it's NOT off the topic!! Yep, Scorpio Suns are always wearing a mask, trying to throw you off course... Don't give in and don't take them too seriously!! They'll be surprised. And if you show them you can't be intimidated, they'll respect you for it (although they'd never let you know that). Hang in there!

, morgana


What's this about "you have exceeded the maximum number of images in your post"? Does that mean I can't post as many smilies as I like???

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posted January 09, 2003 06:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Girl's, it's just like reading my own thoughts here ......strange, but true!

LL,
Getting back to the negative traits in childhood, I for one, could match it in the strength department with all the boys and actually derived a great deal of inner satisfaction from this knowing.

Amazingly enough, most guys I knew were equally impressed with this side of me, which encouraged me all the more to display it.

Thankfully my dad took me to Martial Arts for about 3 years, which did help me to realease alot of my aggressive nature, but basically I learned how to manipulate, control and get my own way, through sheer willpower and force.

I also sensed danger easily, and attracted alot of violent encounters into my life, which I know realise were through my own destructive thought processes.

Thankfully, through Astrology, I have learnt to re-channeled this aggressive energy, much to my relief, but needless to say, I felt like I was at war with the world as a teenager and I just couldn't understand why.

It takes alot of internal thought and work to deal with forgiveness issues, but I do feel as though I have made enormous progress there.

I honestly don't know that I could stick with a relationship after being deceived twice, but I would certainly forgive in the long run, although to forget would probably loose the lesson I was meant to learn, so I'm not too sure that I would want to forget.

I know us Scorpio moons desire depth and intensity, and it is awefully difficult to find and maintain the balance there, but I have found that to aknowledge and work with the more positive traits of this placement, it has helped to bring me to a much more peaceful place in my inner world.

After all, others expect us to be their therapists, so we are pretty good at being our own therapists, if just allowed the time to do so.

Till next time.....

poops

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posted January 10, 2003 01:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is soooo weird to read about all the stuff that really feels like me. Harpyr, you are so right about not 'speaking or saying how you feel'. I do know that I know that now,but do not think I was aware of it when I was younger. I think perhaps the transformative Pluto going over our Moons for years and then in 96 ..Pluto started the Sag transit so any of us,and I know Poops and Harpyr are Sag Suns and Scorpio Moons have really had lots of 'phoenix rising out of the ashes' stuff going on in their lives. Changes and big ones at that. Poops, your marriage made it but mine didn't.In retrospect, it was NOT meant for us to be together but it was not easy to go through the divorce with children. However, as someone else mentioned I credit the Scorpio Moon with giving me the strength to make it through all this and be brave enough to once more put my heart out there. I just don't admit 'out loud' that I am putting my heart out there. I hide and cover my love and wonder if I expect the person to be a mind reader or just KNOW like I do. It is this KNOWING about stuff that is much more pronounced now. I always thought everyone else KNEW too, but realize that they do not. Maybe that will help all of us cos maybe in some small way we think the other knows what we mean without words and need to realize they probably have their own 'intricate set of mazes' that trap them in their own way.I am truly enjoying this sharing of how and why so much. Your questions Lost Leo are making me think a lot about my own Leo with a Cap Moon. He probably gets trapped by his Cap Moon in the inability to really 'show' his feelings.
Yes, I do think that we can forgive the first time around..no, not forget. Impossible as the Scorpio moon remembers..and never forgets. And, I have been told that if you have a Scorpio Moon you will become spiritual. It just is the way it is. Intuition leads us. And do not ever forget that the intuition we live with does not exist in some peoples' way of life at all. The other aspect I think that I feel is a given with others but I wonder if it is, is the amount of time I 'think' of sex or it comes to mind. It can be in humorous ways or when joking with friends. Maybe this is why the Sag women (funloving fun to be with) get along with guys and the SCorp Moon( passionate and receptive to innuendos or chat about sex) and this is also well received or understood by guys. I know sometimes other women get really ticked at how I can meet guys easily or have guy friends around me all the time.Hmmm.??

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posted January 10, 2003 01:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"And do not ever forget that the intuition we live with does not exist in some peoples way of life at all"

So true Purpleflame, so true.
A lot of people aren't given that gift, or never realize it.
I have an intuition not of the Lunar Scorp variety, more the Lunar Pisces type. Which I've heard is as equal to or more than, but without the strength to act on it like the Scorp Moon allows.

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PurpleFlame,

maybe it's not just the Sag Sun that is the reason for that (making friends with men) because I'm a Cancer Sun. But I do think that such a positive and lucky (Jupiter!) sign easier transforms that negative/feminine energy of Scorpio into a positive one, don't you think so, all you Sag Suns Scorp Moons? I think my Scorp Moon is very much similar to my Sun sign and it often amplifies its traits, it's kinda in the same familiy, if you know what I mean. I use it to protect my extreme sensitivity and together with my Leo Asc. it somehow lessens the femininity of my Cancer Sun. I appear very independent and strong although I often don't feel like that. But I always can be at will, especially if someonr needs my help, that gives me a real boost and I can fight with ease for someone else whereas it's harder to fight for myself sometimes... But if anything, I persevere.

Poops, studying psychology was always a dream of mine, but I never put it into action, so now I'm an amateur psychoanalysist so to speak, hehe... I enjoy analysing everything and everyone, it's my favourite hobby.

PurpleFlame, this is worth repeating twice:
"And do not ever forget that the intuition we live with does not exist in some peoples way of life at all."

, morgana

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posted January 10, 2003 05:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Again All ,
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It's weird you know, as I never knew about the transits of Pluto when they were happening, unfortunately they were my pre-Astrology days, but now, in hignsight, it does definately make sense.

I mean I changed enormously over those years, especially after our best friends suicide, which was a major catalyst in my life, as it was my best girlfriend since primary schools husband, and naturally we all did a hell of a lot together, so when he choose to do that to himself, it was an enormous shock, and extremely devastating for all concerned.

Sadly too, he was a Sunny Saggi that decided that Jupiter's luck had deserted him and as an only child, his poor mother was broken with grief.

The ripple effect also saw my best girlfriend and I part ways which was very difficult at the time, as I lost two best friends and became quite unpopular with other friends for taking such a stance.

On the plus side, this enabled me to form a very strong bond with his mother that lasts to this day.

It was also the catalyst for me to begin to question why things are the way they are and in the process I went to a mind, body and spirit festival and as I didn't know my birth time back then, I decided to have a Numerology chart done for myself.

The things that were written in that report just BLEW MY MIND I just couldn't believe it could be so accurate and it served as a major awakener to me that continues to this very day.

My flame was definately ignited from this day forward

Since then I have grown into a far different person and it actually feels like lifetimes ago that I was like that back then.

So, thankfully something positive does grow out of negative happenings, it just takes a while to see this after the dust has settled.

Just remanising

poops

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Bissie,

My response to your question would be number 2, though I couldn't guarantee "no further questions", lol. The truth is it would depend on the offense, and how deeply I was hurt.

Lost Leo,

In answer to your earlier questions: Speaking just for me, I am very capable of forgiving if someone who has hurt me sincerely appologizes. But if the offense was a betrayal of my trust, I cannot forget, nor trust that person again. Since I feel there can't be much of a relationship without trust, I will usually end it so they don't have another opportunity to hurt me. As for vindictiveness, I can honestly say I am not anymore. I struggled for years with this unattractive (in my mind) trait and now if a betrayal occurs I simply cut the offender off completely but with no ill will. I like to call it "releasing with love".

Purple Flame,

Wow, lots of Sag energy there; I can see where some would get confused by your outward bubbly personality, then be surprised when the Scorpio Moon emerges. I've had similar experience with being a Gemini Sun.

Ice Mists,

Do you feel your Cancer planets "show themselves" often? For me, being a Mother is the most important "job" I've ever had, or ever will. Also, my home figures significantly in my life; it's kind of like Operation Central. What are your Sun and Rising signs and do they conflict with your Lunar Scorpio energy?

Continued>>>

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Part II:

Hi Morgana

Fascinating that you should mention "unfinished business". It's been the case in almost every relationship I've had with the opposite sex. I did touch base with the Sagittarian man after my second divorce and he was happy to hear from me, but embroiled in what he described as a difficult relationship at that point, so the timing wasn't right...which was probably for the best since we both would have been on the rebound.

I am presently working out unfinished business with my first husband (remember I mentioned him being there for me during times of trouble). Long story short, I believe it's Karma from a past life we had together! Briefly...he was my husband and my older daughter was OUR daughter in that lifetime. He went off to war and never returned, leaving me with a brood of children. In THIS life, the main thing that split our marriage was his not wanting to have kids. Well, it's turned out that he's been a great help to me in this lifetime, guess how? With my children. He really likes them and has aided me in providing them with certain things I never could have done on a single Mom's income. We are strictly friends only, but he will always have a special place in my heart because of what he's done for my children.

Poops,

I know what you mean about relating to women. Neither of my MIL's liked me, and in my circle of GF's things could get "ugly" if too many emotions came out. Most times there was jeously from them which always amazed me because I always thought their life situations were far better than mine. Go figure! I give people the benefit of the doubt (male or female) until they prove they can't be trusted...for example being nice to my face then stabbing me in the back...and that's it for me.

I admire your ability to maintain a 21 year relationship; it gives me hope. My longest relationship lasted 12 years, but I was young, proud and impulsive (having natal Venus opposite Saturn hasn't helped either), and I'd like to think I've mellowed with maturity. Maybe when the time is right I will be able to have the kind of connection I've always wanted. It's something to aim for!

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posted January 10, 2003 12:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright I have to explain now, can you all bare with me?

I didn't cheat in my case, I was uncapable of it...

1) Because my little 5'3" X-girl actually kinda put a scare into me. She never was violent or anything like that, but I could feel the intensity of her spirit behind her eyes... and if I was caught cheating I could just see myself coming out to my car while she's on the roof beating in the windows with a baseball bat, who knows maybe I'd be next.
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2) But more importantly, and more truthfully... I was complete when with her. I was completely fulfilled and the thought of another woman, honestly, never really entered my mind. It was a first for me in life... I'm not a cheater by trade or anything, but I had never been so totally fulfilled by a woman.

We split because I sensed things had been "off" for at least a month or two. We still had good times, great love-making, and fun talks. But in private she started putting me thru sh*t, disagreeing with whatever I said, no matter what it was I said. I would plan trips and she would be so negative the whole time, and I was trying to be positive & excited and I think she just wanted to see my fiery enthusiasm broken (watered) down. From what I gather from you ladies, is she was taking something out on me, or testing me, who knows... you Scorps are so confusing!!!

After enduring this for awhile my Leonine temper snapped on something stupid like a weak promise she made to me that she broke, causing an argument, which then led to the letter I wrote while heated, unveiling everything I felt and thought was f*cked up with us. Of course she didn't receive this well, and instead of talking about it, we both ignore each other for two weeks, and kaput! Next time we see each other we decide to split...

When we met she acted in a way that I had never seen. I had never seen her so "weird," she couldn't look me in the eye, she looked so tense she couldn't move, she kept taking cheap shots at my character(but I expected that), she sat snuggly against the far end of the couch like repelled from me or something (not that I was trying to get close or anything, she looked like she was hiding in a corner kinda). I sensed that she was going thru an extreme amount of emotion. But she kept her sentences short, left long pauses, and we discussed NO feelings; obviously she was trying to keep herself strong (frozen over).

I don't regret our split, it put me into a position to focus on my life and I have made some serious academic & professional leaps & bounds since then (to be honest I was hiding my pain by burying myself in school and work, but the hard work paid off).

What I do regret is that I managed to hurt, twice , the only woman I have ever loved in my life. The person I cared most for and would have done anything for, why type of man am I to hurt my own love?

In retrospect what an idiot I am!!! But I have lived on and learned, and if I'm ever lucky enough to fall into something that amazing with her or another woman, it will never come to the conclusion this one did.

I have to ask this of you ladies:

We had broken up twice before the final one, once me, once her... The time she broke up with me I was at her place, she was acting weird said she needed to shower (we had no plans) and after, I noticed her trying on some dressy (date-like) clothes. After she finished she came and sat down next to me and was silent. So I ask her what was on her mind, then she broke up with me out of the blue, I left, and she went out.

Linda said women with Scorp influences are VERY prone to infidelity, and events like that made me think there was always someone on the back-burner, or that when we fought she had another guy she would go see because she was upset with me.

- Is that your experience too with your Lunar influence?

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posted January 10, 2003 01:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LL,

I'd have to say NO. I think the infidelity is about unfulfillment. If you're not satisfied, you go find what's missing from your relationship elsewhere. I think with Scorpio women it's very much about sex. Maybe they have such great needs that they need to satisfy them by looking for it elsewhere.

I think this girl was/is VERY much in love with you, I can tell that from the way you described how she acted after your breakup. If she couldn't even look you in the eye, her emotions were so violent and intense that she couldn't control them, which for a Scorpio isn't that hard to do otherwise.

Scorpios are very difficult because when they're are unhappy with something, they attack you and sting you and pester you, but all you have to do is bear with them. That's all they want. Someone to be able to stand the pressure. I must admit I do that to my b/f, it's like I need a sparring partner all the time and I hate it when he doesn't stand up to me. I want him to FIGHT, to defend himself. When he finally loses his temper, I'm happy. I don't know why, really. Maybe something like that happened to you two and when you couldn't stand the pressure anymore, she resented you for it because for her that means that you don't love her enough to stay with her for (better) of for WORSE.

Twinlady, your post made me think: is there something about our Scorp Moon that provokes that kind of behaviour in women or people in general? I mean, people attack me for no reason at all, and women turn on me and try to belittle me and put me down even though I'm always fair to them. Why do they feel so intimidated by me? Of course I break off the relationship when that happens, but that leaves me with virtually no girlfriends and I don't think that's normal. But as I said, I don't need that and I'd rather be alone than have friends who try to stab me in the back whenever they get the chance. Well (sigh)... that's life.

Hi, all my other Moonmates!!

morgana

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posted January 10, 2003 04:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LL,

I concur with basically everything Morgana said. As for fidelity, if I was fulfilled it was easy for me to be faithful and I expected same from him. I admit to the testing thing...like, "If you put up with all my sh*t, then you must REALLY love me"... I guess it sounds contradictory, because the bottom line was that I wanted to really CONNECT with someone, in every way there is to connect, yet if it was "too easy", I didn't trust it! What's worse...I didn't respect a man if he was TOO easy-going. I wanted him to not be afraid of me, or go along with something just to get me off his back. One of the most painful lessons I've learned through all the trials and tribulations is to feel STRONG ENOUGH WITHIN MYSELF to let the other person BE, and not be so insecure that I wind up bringing on myself exactly what I DON'T want... I don't know if that makes a lot of sense, but it's the best way I can explain it.

Morgana,

In the past 2 and 1/2 years I have parted ways with 2 lifelong "friends". In both situations, it was the story of them manipulating (they called it "helping") me and for a very long time I was so unsure of myself I allowed it. Then something inside me finally had ENOUGH and ended it. I believe transiting Pluto opposing my Sun and Saturn, which is transiting over my Sun, had a lot to do with this. I have been through so much STUFF in the last few years (including my Mother and 3 other people I loved dying, all in 1999)...big, transforming stuff, that my attitude towards life, love, religion, etc. has changed and these "friends" no longer meshed with who I have become. Neither of them understand what happened and both have tried to re-connect with me. I just don't feel I have anything left to say to either of them. I'm through trying to explain/justify myself, and feel that if they'd really been listening all those years, they'd both know "what happened". (Incidentally, the decision to cut them off came only after I felt betrayed by each of them. When I finally began standing up to their manipulating, the proverbial stab in the back occurred).

I think women who don't like us, feel threatened by our strength, and JEALOUS of it too. Again referring to my Pisces Ascendant...my ex-friends adored that part of me; but the Scorpio energy...no. Well, I say it's their loss, because I honestly feel better without them in my life. As for what you said about not having a lot of girlfriends...it's the same for me, but I have come to feel quality is better than quantity and am now a lot more discriminating in whom I choose to spend time with. Life is too short to waste it trying to please someone whose only way is "their" way. Interestingly enough, the 2 women I am recently relating best with are both Aquarians. Neither of them are threatened by my intensity; in fact they seem to admire it. I find them VERY funny and it feels good to laugh. BTW...and this is for all the Lunar Scorps here: Has anyone ever told you to "lighten up"?? (How obvious a question is that?)

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posted January 10, 2003 06:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting you felt you were being manipulated.
I've noticed that Scorp women, yes, don't have many female friends. TONS of male friends, but few females. I've also noticed that when they have a female friend, it's usually just one or two, and they're weaker. I think their friends are drawn to their power. They like the confidence and strength of the Scorp female while being with them. Like they're along for the ride.

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posted January 11, 2003 12:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, maybe, LL.

Twinlady, I couldn't agree more with everything you wrote. I'd like to quote you on this one, though, because it's exactly how I feel:
"I'm through trying to explain/justify myself, and feel that if they'd really been listening all those years, they'd both know "what happened"."

Yeah, I feel that Aquarians don't feel threatened by Scorpios because they just don't take them that seriously, you know what I mean? I've seen that with many Aquarians and it's very amusing how Scorps react to this. Usually they're surprised and develop a kind of "admire&hate" relationship with them. It's like Aquarians operate on a different level, everyone is basically the same to them and they accept everyone equally. They just let you be what you are.

Well, people don't usually tell me to lighten up because they basically don't dare to (if they do, I snap at them) or they are to considerate to tell me that directly, but they do try to cheer me up. The ones who love me, of course. Others just run away.

Thanks about what you said about having girlfriends. I think you're right. And I know that quality matters, not quantity. Well, all good things come to those who wait...


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Morgana,

What you said about Aquarians just not taking Scorpio energy seriously...exactly. And you're right when you said they operate on a different level, seeing everyone as the same and letting you be what you are. Also, Scorps reacting to this with surprise and developing a hate/admire relationship...right again! At least I used to be that way. When I was a teenager I had 2 very close girlfriends - - one was Aquarius and one was Scorpio - - and the Scorpio didn't like the Aquarian AT ALL! lol I did, however...except for one thing. She had a habit of playing practical jokes on me now and then and it would really pi*s me off. I can honestly say that doesn't bother me anymore, and am able to laugh at the joke even if it's on me. What I used to find amazing though with the Aquarian friend of my teen years: before I learned to curtail my urge to get revenge...when I would do something to "get back" at her... she really didn't mind! And yes, I did admire that. I also dated an Aquarian guy in those days who handled my intensity with compassion. It used to drive me crazy because I wanted him to fight! He was very sweet, very nice...yet I remember wondering if he really loved me. I guess he felt something though because he was in and out of my life over a period of 7 years.

As for those who told me to "lighten up"...they received my wrath believe me; and they either never dared say it again, or like you said...ran away. I now have the attitude that anyone who doesn't want to give the time or effort to understand me is the loser, because those who DO are richly rewarded with loyalty and genuine caring from me. Maybe that's the problem: too many people find it "easier" to be shallow? THAT, to me, is a waste of MY time...

Till later,

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