posted January 21, 2003 11:02 PM              

I have Juno in Scorpio, exactly conjunct my Moon, and it's retrograde (though my Moon isn't). I admit to not knowing much about Juno and am almost afraid to ask. Could you or anyone else here shed some light on this? What Juno in the chart represents, what it means in Scorpio (and my 8th house, BTW), and what the retrograde means? Please be gentle, lol. Thanks for any and all input!

posted January 21, 2003 11:29 PM              

Just checking in to say hi and that I thought Morgana's idea was great, as, I too, feel "at home" with my fellow moonmates.

posted January 22, 2003 06:32 AM              

I'm so glad you like the idea!!

Twinlady, you said it so beautifully:
"It's a relief to know I'm not alone with my feelings."

Hi, poops, nice to hear from you again! What was it like on that show with that guy who's talking to the dead?

Purpleflame,
I don't have a clue about my Juno, this is the first time I've heard of it in regard to the horoscope chart. Hmmm, I'll do some research on the internet and I hope I'll find something. But if you have any info, I'll appreciate it.
There's quite a lot of you Saggitarians here I see, and your lucky Jupiter indeed probably helps you see things rosier sooner than it is the case for some of the other signs.

And Twinlady, your Mercury is the only neutral planet, isn't it? It can go either way...

If you see our Sun-Moon connections, we get an interesting personal ID of ourselves:
Mercury-Pluto: sharpness of mind, the power of observation and comprehension of things secret, extreme concentration, insight, determinedness, relentless thinking, the interest in the occult, sharpness of mind and speech, gift for discovering secrets, the ability for persuation and suggestion, "knowledge is power". On the negative: cinicism, sarcasm, the need for proving one's mental superiority, dark thoughts, nervous hypersensitivity, sometimes even blockage of speech and therefore isolation.

Jupiter-Pluto: the ability to achieve extreme success on the spritual, mental and material plane, the power for guidance and supremacy, the gift for organizing large projects, the ability for major discoveries and achievements, regeneration in the spriritual areas, discoveries of secret "treasures". On the negative: fanatism, overestimation of one's own powers, exploitation, conflicts with the autorities, danger of financial ruin because of "higher powers".

It's fun, isn't it, to look at yourself this way, through an aspect.

posted January 22, 2003 06:44 AM              

Chiron in Scorpio or in the 8th house:
A strong fear of death and all things occult. A person could be a strong sceptic who only believes in material things. There is also a fear of sex and partnerships. People with this position have a partner, but for them marriage is something like the end of the world. Their wound is about sharing with another person. It is also possible that they share too much of themselves to others, but most of the times these people are loners in spite of the fact that they have a partner, and they don't let them get too close.

Sorry, this doesn't sound so good, but maybe it'll help you somehow or help you understand his behaviour, I don't know. I hope I didn't put a damp on things...

The chart placements are of course only possiblities, not our FATE, as we have our FREE WILL to change everything and develop our potentials which are described in our horoscopes. And you have mighty Jupiter on your side.

That's it for now, see you all later!

posted January 22, 2003 05:08 PM              

He has certainly created debate here in Oz amongst the believers and non-believers, but I wasn't drawn to him to be convinced of life after death, as to me, it has always been fact.

I go to see him on the 31st of Jan, so it's only 8 more sleeps, but , hey , who's counting? I will certainly give you all a run down on what it was like after I've been, so stay tuned.

I liked your description of the sun-moon placements, as I've never really had these two put together like that, but it sounded good to me!

Do you have a book that describes ones Juno placement? I have Juno in Sag in the 12th house, but aren't sure if it aspects anything. Actually I wouldn't have the faintest as to what it means, so if you have any insights, I'd love to hear them.

posted January 22, 2003 08:23 PM            

*bright blessings*

posted January 22, 2003 09:56 PM              

Morgana
if you've time, can you do Chiron in Taurus or Chiron in 3rd house, pretty please

posted January 23, 2003 08:01 AM              

Harpyr,

I'm quite excited at the thought of going to see John Edward and I promise to relay any
'happenings' on the night to you all.

Even if he doesn't speak to us directly, it is going to be a great night as my sister-in-law and I both have hubbies, kids etc and don't very often get a night out on the town together, so it should be a real giggle fest and we'll be making sure to make the most of our 'night off' in the bigsmoke

Ice Mists

I don't really know if his Australian tour is going to be shown on T.V, as I'm pretty sure that the episodes that we get here are taped in the U.S, but I suppose it will show up somewhere in the future.........I actually hadn't thought of that, but that would be good

posted January 23, 2003 08:49 AM              

I have no time to write now (have to work), but I'll see you later!

love, morgana

posted January 23, 2003 09:34 AM              

Thank you for the Juno info. Reading about the conjunction with the Moon in Scorpio and the "giving individual power away for the benefit of the relationship" REALLY hit home. This has been only too true for me. Problem is when I would recognize that I was doing this and try to do something about it, I wound up losing the relationship. This applies to other relationships for me as well. The whole power-struggle thing has become a central issue in my life: me realizing that it's been my willingness to give my power away which has caused me to feel like a victim so often. I mentioned earlier in this thread about parting ways with 2 longtime friends because I got tired of being manipulated; them having no respect AT ALL for my feelings. Now that I'm so aware of allowing the manipulation I don't intend to repeat the pattern, but I do wonder if that may mean I'll be more of a loner than I'd really like. Oh well; I guess that is the price I must pay for self-respect. Anyway, thanks for letting me vent; it IS theraputic.

Hello to all my other Moonmates!

posted January 23, 2003 10:53 AM              

I also have Juno in the 12th house and in Leo, but I have absolutely no clue what that means. I searched the net, but found nothing. Purpleflame?

Purpleflame,
the interpretation goes both for Scorpio OR the 8th house, I guess in my notes the interpretation is the same for Chiron in Scorpio and for Chiron in the 8th house, just like Chiron in Cancer is the same as Chiron in the 4th house. But I found a link with some other interpretations for Chiron, so here it is:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html

Twinlady,
maybe you will be alone for a while, but your next relationship will be all the more better because of this realization about yourself and your determination that you want something better. Of this I am certain and you can take me by my word (is this the right way to say it?)!

Hi, Harpyr!

posted January 23, 2003 11:13 AM              

Chiron in Taurus:
Problems in relation to possessing things, one's own body or money. All this represents to the person concerned a certain redundance - the person is obssessed with losing weight or he/she simply denounces his property. Personal property represents pain to him/her. Every thing that requires the person to face the material plane, becomes the object of hate.

Chiron in the 3rd house:
The problem occurs when the person with this position speaks. There is inappropriate communication, perhaps he/she is an outsider in school, or there are simply misunderstandings when communicating with the persons in his/her environment. He/she is inclined to avoid communication because it represents an endless source of problems. But the problem is not just communication, speech impediment is also possible (stuttering, inability to say the letter R, etc.). The information are likely to be distorted with this position, regardless of where they are directed to (from the person concerned or from the person to other people).

The Chiron in houses shows the position WHERE it comes like a stranger into our system. It shows the position where we will be or are or were wounded somehow.

The above interpretations are based on PSYCHOLOGICAL astrology, so they are slightly different from other interpretations.

Hope everything is clear (I translated the text, so maybe it's somewhat awkward, but I think you can get the general picture), and if not, please feel free to ask!

posted January 24, 2003 10:07 AM              

I was reading the Bob Marks astrology site, on aspects, then on Chiron. As mentioned before, I have a fixed T-square involving Taurus (Venus), Leo (Pluto) and Scorpio (Saturn). In the section about this aspect, it is described as a "three-legged chair", and the advice given on how to find solutions was to look at the "empty leg", (in my case, Aquarius and 11th house), using this influence or energy to solve potential problems the T-square (or T-cross, as it's referred to on the site) could bring.

That's fine...I get it. I started thinking, "Okay, so maybe I should pay more attention to the qualities and attitudes of Aquarius and try implementing these into my actions to help me deal with the challenges tossed my way from the T-square." Example: being more detached, looking at a problem from an unusual or unique point of view, utilizing the genius and/or eccentricity of Aquarius to approach solutions, etc.

Fine again. I will say that I'm always looking for answers, and have been wide open to solutions to problems, nomatter how strange or unusual those solutions may be...as long as they're not immoral or illegal, lol. Without my realizing it, I have already figured ways to deal with certain challenges in my life in an out-of-the-ordinary fashion. Only in the last few years have I come to understand that this is perfectly okay FOR ME. I don't go around telling people how to live their lives, and I do not appreciate others trying to do same with me (though this happens all the time, it seems!).

Here's where the confusion comes in though. I have Chiron in Aquarius, in my 11th house...(square my Moon and Juno, BTW). Given what I've read about Chiron in one's chart, I'm not sure how to put this all together. If Chiron is the wounded healer, and this is the area where one is better able to help others than themselves...also, where problems keep recurring...how am I to interpret this??

I've already shared my "history" of troubles with friends; I've also shared the wonderful bond I had with my Aquarian grandmother. In addition, I mentioned that presently there are 2 Aquarian people in my life that I feel are "good" for me. Am I on the right track here, or can I expect more of those recurring problems? Given that this is my 11th house, it would explain my past experience of manipulation and even treachery from so-called friends. What I'm wondering is this: if my Chiron in Aquarius/11th house indicates a recurring problem in this area, how can I utilize this wounded healer to solve the problems from the T-square?!? (Or maybe I'm just borrowing trouble by worrying about it?)

Does anyone here want to take a look at this? I hope my rambling makes some sense, because it doesn't much to me.

posted January 24, 2003 07:53 PM              

yes the information is different, but i like different as it offers a fresh perspective and surprisingly answers some of my elusive questions

you did great, i can relate to a lot of the things you wrote...hmmm maybe except the part about losing weight

Twin Lady i'm sure one of the astrologers can help you soon

Poops, i wonder when they'll show up

you know channel 9 or 10 etc, they're so fickle about programs to produce good ratings that they axe some good shows after a few weeks

posted January 26, 2003 05:17 AM              

Twinlady,
that's a difficult question, I see your problem. Hmmm, let's see... If Chiron is the wounded healer who can heal because of that wound he has, maybe you can heal yourself by putting this healing energy out into the world and it will return to you as the healing energy you need to resolve your tripple square with Venus, Pluto and Saturn (which is indeed rough, but the energies that arise from it are quite the opposite from the Aquarian ones, so maybe this IS the solution.) Just speculating...

I'll just take a peek at my interpretations of Chiron in Aqua or 11th house (so for you it's both):
Fear of the crowds, masses of people, inability to join groups of people who think the same. The person probably has bad experience with friends or does not know how to find them, telling him/herself that he/she does not need them at all. The wish of being part of the whole stays in the fantasy of the individual. Even his/her goals, hopes and dreams can be burdening to him/herself. The person simply gets a fixed idea about them and sees everything related to them as something final. The person is often an outsider, cast out of the society, a loner. Or he/she is a great deliverer and a connector of kindred souls (this probably applies to those who are aware of their wound and now heal others).

I know this doesn't sound so clear, but maybe it'll help.

Well, I just realised I messed up when I told PURPLEFLAME (P-Flame, I hope you're reading this!!!) about the Chiron-Moon aspect. Instead of that, I wrote the Chiron-Sun aspect. Sorry!!!!!

So, here's the Chiron-Moon aspect that you have, Twinlady:
The maternal function has not been realized. Early maternity. The person has difficulties in taking over the role of the mother, his/her emotions are the source of deep wounds. He/she responds to people who need maternal feelings. Greater knowledge of other people's feelings that his/her own, therefore: manipulation.

posted January 26, 2003 05:45 AM              

Chiron provokes extreme situations that cause us pain: we're either extremely defensive (which is more often) or we're in the offense, unable to realize where the limit is.
Chiron's pain passes when we're able to realize our pain. Only then we can heal and teach others about it.

I guess your situation requires some more pondering, Twinlady... But I'm sure you'll find the answer. Please write if you get some insight into this, as I'm very interested to know! Good luck!

Hey Swerve, where are you?

Purpleflame,
where can we find some info on Juno (in aspects, houses and signs)?

to all my Moonmates!

posted January 26, 2003 07:34 AM              

First, thank you for taking the time to look into this; it means a lot to me.
Your suggestion of putting the Aquarian-type healing energy out into the world and it returning to resolve the T-square struck a chord. It makes sense, and it's probably why I feel the Aquarians in my life are "good" for me. I think if I can pay attention to their attitudes and way of doing things...seeing it as kind of an example being set for me...this will help me; both in sending out into the world, and in dealing with my own problems. It's interesting, because as a kid when I first began studying Astrology and I was learning the basics about the signs, I remember "wishing" I were an Aquarian myself. This was probably in part due to the way I felt about my grandmother, but I also remember thinking the description of Aquarius was just so "cool"...indeed the opposite of my more intense/serious/touchy attitudes, even then. So I guess my instincts were right even when I was 10 years old, lol.

Also...the description of Chiron in Aqua. /11th house being a "connector of kindred souls"...very accurate; I've always been good at bringing people of like mind together, and figured this was from being a Gemini (the messenger, mediating)...but I now realize it is emphasized because of Chiron's placement.

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posted January 26, 2003 07:37 AM              

To quote the interpretation of the Chiron/Moon square: "The maternal function has not been realized. Early maternity. The person has difficulties in taking over the role of the mother, his/her emotions are the source of deep wounds. He/she responds to people who need maternal feelings. Greater knowledge of other people's feelings that his/her own, therefore: manipulation". This I found fascinating. I myself, have always had a strong maternal instinct, but I had a terrible time becoming a mother. More than anything else, I wanted to have children. My first husband didn't want kids and that's the main reason the marriage ended. After marrying my second husband, I found out I was infertile and had to go through nearly 2 years of tests, medication, and finally major surgery just to get pregnant. Then both pregnancies were high risk, with the first one putting me on bedrest, a week in the hospital, and a 36-hour-long labor and delivery. But I can say this: the moment my beautiful daughter was born was the HAPPIEST of my life, bar none! I did not have an early maternity, but I think Saturn in Scorp/8th with the afflicting aspects to Pluto and Venus probably caused the delay.

In reference to my own Mother: though I knew I was loved, I didn't always FEEL it. My younger brother had a chronic disease which required (and received) the lion's share of both my parents' attention. I never blamed them or him, but I felt neglected and like an outsider anyway and yes, this left a deep wound. It's yet another reason why I was so close to my Aquarian grandmother; she always had time for me, always showed delight in me...and by her I FELT loved. It's amazing to realize how this is all indicated in my chart, just waiting for me to look at and understand. Where I go with this knowledge now is up to me.

Anyway, thanks again Morgana; you've been a great help!!

Hi to my other Moonmates!

posted January 26, 2003 02:26 PM              

Hi, Lost Leo!
I read your post and it seems to me that she's testing the terrain, feeling out the field (darn, I wish my English was better, I can't seem to find the correct phrase, but I hope you know what I mean) to see how you'll react. I think the ball's on your field now, but I honestly can't tell for sure.

Hi, Twinlady,
I'm so glad to be of help!!
I'll read your post more carefully later and I'll talk to you then!

Good luck in deciphering your mystery lady, LL!

posted January 27, 2003 04:54 AM              

This is a big test you passed and I think you've managed to overcome that Chiron wound, related to your Moon. You persisted and it was very painful, but now you're healed and you can help others (me, for example, when I decide to become a mother - I've started thinking about it lately as I have a brand new nephew).

You say how you always felt that your grandmother loved you: you know exactly how that Aquarian love felt like, you have that in you, imprinted in your personality ever since you were a child or since you were born for that matter, so you know what it's like and you CAN and KNOW HOW to project that kind of love out into the world and beat the negative aspects of the Venus-Pluto-Saturn square or enoble its energy. I think the answer lies, as always, in combining the positive and the negative to achieve balance. If you have that awful double square in your chart, it means that you need to have it, so it's not bad for you, it's good, you just have to learn how to deal with it, how to turn it around so that you are in control of it and not the other way round. But you know all that already, don't you. (We all know everything, it's just that it helps to be reminded every once in a while, right )

Oh I'm too clever for my own good now and I'm just rambling on and on... But basically this is what I think. I think you're on the right track with your Aqua friends - maybe you feel that you can learn from them. In any case, they're great fun to be around with.
I wish you all the luck with this friendship and all future ones, and with everything else too, of course!

morgana

"So I guess my instincts were right even when I was 10 years old, lol." Of course. They were ACCURATE.

posted January 27, 2003 11:36 AM              

Thank you SO MUCH! Everything you said rings true. And you're right, I already "knew" this; but it is heartening to have my feelings validated/confirmed for once, instead of being so misunderstood.

Ever since my Mother died nearly 4 years ago, I've been on a "spiritual quest", looking for answers to many questions. There have been a lot of events in my life that were fated and seemingly beyond my control (Pluto), but someone told me not long ago that I need to learn to stop resisting/fighting this and "flow with" it, STEPPING BACK...and looking for the lesson. Aquarius energy! Of course, therein lies the challenge with that intense Scorp Moon, which I know you relate to. Actually, this applies to everyone because the saying goes that we can't always control what happens to us, but we CAN control our reaction and what we do about it. Simple, yet profound...

And yes, it's about balance - - something else foreign to Scorpio, lol. You know with Scorp, it's usually one extreme or the other. I just had another insight: Most things I've read about the Moon in Scorpio indicates this to be one of the most difficult Moon placements, BUT it also points to the great inner strength of this Moonsign. Soooo...I figure if I can look at setbacks as opportunities in a detached way (Aqua), then use the inner strength of Lunar Scorpio to handle them, I will be able to do what's required to overcome (or at least, cope with) them, find the lesson, learn from the experience...and ultimately benefit from it; THEN take what I've learned and use it to help others. Speaking of which, you mentioned thinking about becoming a Mother. If there is any way I can help you with your decision, please let me know. There is one thing I can tell you right away. I don't know how old you are, but I would say not to wait "too" long. For me, it was endometriosis that wrecked my fertility. It's ironic, because when I learned about this I was told it was called the "Career Woman's Disease", meaning it occurs most often in women who put off having children until they get their careers established. At that time, the only "career" I wanted was to become a Mother.

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posted January 27, 2003 11:39 AM              

You asked me what house my Sun is in; it's the 3rd. I've read that the Sun in a woman's chart indicates the men in her life (along with Mars), and someone told me years ago it also shows the vocation of the Father. This is true in my case, because my Dad (though Taurus) was in a very Gemini/3rd house field, public transportation. He drove bus locally! Also, siblings (my aforementioned brother) figures very prominently in my life. Since I have Pisces rising, some of my house cusps are the natural ones of that particular sign...Taurus 2nd, Gemini 3rd, and Scorpio 8th. My first and seventh houses are intercepted, but that's a whole other subject! Now I'M rambling, so I'll say good-bye for the time being.

Thanks again Morgana; you've been a great help! Please know that I'm here for you too.

Hello to everyone else!