posted January 27, 2003 01:12 PM              

I'm 31 one now and I guess I'll become a mother in a few years, but I'm not emotionally prepared for this just yet so it's better for my child that he or she doesn't come yet, if you know what I mean Thanks for the help, if we're both still on the forum when that time comes, I'll certainly ask you for advice!

So you're a real Gemini in terms of what your mission and purpose in life is (by this I mean the Sun in the chart): connecting, bringing things together, communication, learning and teaching... Do you also feel like that? Did you find your purpose in things Geminiian? (I just invented a new word )

OK so much for this therapeutic session in our little pshychiatric clinic for the Lunar (loony) Scorpios

Talk to you later, Twinlady!

Hi to all my other fellow-Moonies!

posted January 27, 2003 06:52 PM            

It's facinating stuff and I recommend it to all women, regardless of their health status. It's a treasure trove of info.

So, I wanted to share with you all this interpretation of Scorpio moon people that I found interesting. Maybe you all will too. I'm curious which parts you relate with and which parts you don't. It's long, but worth it.

posted January 27, 2003 06:54 PM            

The genius of the Scorpio moon person lies in his ability to see into the depths of things. He is a natural psychologist who can bring out the best and worst of people and who appreciates the power of the unconcious factors which underlie everyday behavior. Apt to be preoccupied with sex and problems frequently have obscure sexual origins.
Although highly charged emotionally, he may be so deeply reserved that he betrays no sign of the tumult of feelings which fight for contrul of his nature. This inner pressure keeps him restlessly on the go despite a tightly maintained control over his instincts. Often the most vital part of his life is carried on below the surface in fantasy and dreams. Because his psychic energies are engaged in the task of self exploration rather than in practical work, it may appear that he is unable to express the best that is within him.
The moon is in it's fall in Scorpio because the lunar function of growth is incompatible with the signs function of elimination. The moon rules the public while Scorpio holds sway over such strictly private matters as generally pertain to the bedroom or bathroom. Lunar Scorpions are reticent about their personal affairs - often with good reason.
They prefer jobs where they can shut themselves in private offices and work quietly and efficiently away from the spotlight of attention and the intrusions of strangers. Their retiring nature may deny them the recognition they deserve even though they are ambitious to succeed in whatever projects they undertake.
The lunar Scorpion's capacity for dogged persistence makes him willing to take difficult but essential jobs. These individuals often succeed as psychotherapists, critics, proofreaders, analysts, chemists, laboratory technicians, exterminatiors and sanitary engineers.
They like to be by the sea or large body of water and prosper in buisness relating to liquor or liquids. The moon in Scorpio housewife runs a scrupulously shipshape home, largely because she does not hesitate to dispense with articles that have served their purpose.
Because the watery or psychic element is so prominent in their nature, these people are liable to go to emotional extremes. Sex becomes an issue, not only because the appetites are insistent, but becuase the primary libidinal drive may be diverted into devious channels, resulting in strange impulses, compulsions and fetishes. There is a danger of turning to drugs, alcohol, or promiscuity in order to release pent-up feelings.
However, when the deep seated forces of the personality are given legitimate outlets, lunar Scorpions become faithful workers for causes in which they invest themselves body, mind and soul.
This position often shows a peculiarly difficult life. The problems which boil to the surface may seem inexplicable, but the the esotericist, they represent the karmic liabilities brought over from a previous existence. Hence, they are unavoidable and inexorable in their demand for remedial action. Unconsciously, the individual has chose to expiate former transgressions and to purify his nature through suffering. Sooner or later, he finds himself forced to renounce something he craves or to which he has become compulsively attached, as he learns to relinquish sensual satisfactions in order to regenerate himself from within."

posted January 27, 2003 07:51 PM            

The last part, about paying off karmic liabilites from past lives, really strikes a chord with me. My youth wasn't as hard as alot of other people, no abuse or anything but since enduring the death of my son's father not long ago, life seems more grim and scary than it used to.
I had a horrible nightmare last night that made me think either reaaly bad stuff is going to happen to me in the future or maybe I did reaaly bad stuff in some past life.
My dream was incredibly violent, the worst I can remember.
In one part I was a guard/torturer in some sort of prison and was ordered to kill this prisoner who was a woman. She doesn't hear that part and I tell her to go into this room, which must be a torture room because it's got this weird chair in it that is like a dentist's chair with straps. She calmly walks over and sits down and puts the straps over her shoulders herself, like she has done this many times and in that moment I am strangely attracted to her. (I got the feeling that I was a man in this dream.) Anyway, I kissed her and I could sense that she thought maybe this was her ticket out of the prison, so she kisses me back with feigned enjoyment. This is a weird part..the dream goes from being a visual thing, like t.v. to me reading passages from a book. It says something to the effect of, "While I am having sex with her, I feel something splitting/tearing apart inside me, it's excruciatingly painful." Then it reverts back to a visual and it's her being killed in a horrible bloody way and as she is falling into this pit through a trap door that I can only assume is where all the bodies go, she says, very calmly, "So this is how it is...."

Then I wake up, all freaked out, wondering what the hell is wrong with me that I would dream something like this.
I thought, well, maybe it was because right before bed, my son fell down, as toddlers do, and hit his mouth and it was bleeding alot. It freaked me out, but it wasn't a big deal, it looked alot worse at first because mouth injuries bleed alot. So maybe it was because I went to sleep shortly after seeing blood, but I am tending to think this just triggered something that is laying in wait within myself.

It freaks me out because I dreamed of my lover's death a couple months after I discovered I was pregnant, about 20 months before his actual demise. I woke up crying inconsolably one night after dreaming of him in his deathbed and I was at his side, begging him not to go. I thought it was a vision of our future because in the dream, I remember vividly that he was bald, so I tried to console myself with the knowledge that we would atleast have years together.
It wasn't until I was at Jeff's deathbed an year and a half later that the memory of that dream returned like a ton of bricks on top of me (although I had written it down the day after I had the dream). Jeff fell off his bicycle and sustained massive head injuries and the top of his head was shaved. From where I was sitting while he was on life support, with the hair remaining on the sides of his head only, it looked just like he was a balding man.

posted January 28, 2003 01:29 AM              

Yes...congratulations on walking away from a jerk! I DO understand how tough it can be to do this, believe me...and even though my Pisces Ascendant "begs" this of me...it's still difficult. However, and now you are realizing this too - - walking away from some trivial argument that is beneath us not only doesn't make us a loser, it exemplifies the ability of our symbolic Phoenix to RISE ABOVE it all...so you see, when we can do this, we can even feel a little smug! lol And truly, it doesn't matter how others see us; it matters how we see ourselves. I am learning to live up to my OWN expectations...not everybody else's. People who do not understand this about us, can make it quite challenging, but I find that I have a lot more self-respect when I listen to my higher self. Not easy, but worth it.

I agree about being emotionally ready for Motherhood. It is THE most demanding job in the world...requiring commitment, patience, inner strength and an endless amount of sacrificial, unconditional love...not for the faint-at-heart, lol. There are times when it seems like a thankless job too, but the rewards are equally great. Also, nomatter how ready one feels to become a parent, there are always those "surprises" that we're not prepared for. You are very wise, and I believe you will know in your heart when your time is right.

>>>continued>>>

posted January 28, 2003 01:32 AM              

As for my being "Geminian" (I like your word)...I definitely am, in terms of communicating, connecting, learning, teaching, etc. I read somewhere that people having the Sun in the 3rd house are true "Students of Life", and that describes me exactly. I am a prolific reader, enjoy sharing with others what I've learned, and when I came online in 1999, I felt right at home; relishing the concept of communicating with people all over the world (like this forum!) and having access to search engines and researching to my heart's content.

...Now...if I could just figure out a way to make lots of money doing this, I'd be ecstatic... :laugh:

Until next time,

Harpyr: I'll respond to your post in the morning, as I've got to get some sleep now.
Talk to you then!

posted January 28, 2003 03:13 AM              

I could relate to so much in that article that it was kind frightening!

I mean, it always drives me crazy that we have accumulated so much 'stuff' in our family, and much to my husbands horror, I just want to eliminate the majority of 'things', that don't seem to have any more purpose to me.

He, on the other hand, can't even close his drawers anymore, as he still keeps T.Shirts and other 'rags' from when he was a teenager!

So, when no-ones around, I eliminate......and most of the time no-one even notices......scary, but true! I mean, we live in an eleven square house, so everything has to have it's place or it just looks out of control

I don't know too much about dream interpretations, but I can understand you worrying after such a nasty one, especially since it seems as though you dreamed of your husbands future accident

Maybe a prayer to him before sleeping, as you could ask him to come to you and protect you and then you may feel a little more relaxed.

Sweet dreams to you from now on

Hi to everyone else

posted January 28, 2003 05:47 AM              

Twinlady,
yes I know all that (THANK YOU for your kind thoughts! ) and I know I pretty much have all it takes, I could have a baby right now and the child would have excellent care from the both of us, especially as sacrifice is a big part of my nature, but I also know it in my heart that there are some things I must do before (I'm not sure what, but I sense that it's not the right time yet). I know that when the time comes, I won't be thinking about this at all and it will be completely natural to have a child, and that I think is the right time for it. I evolve very slowly but thouroughly, everything takes a lot of time for me to digest and think over and GET over, so I know now that I just can't rush things. And I think my body will (have to) wait for me, yes, to also resolve my issues with my own mother whom I always percieved as very harsh and cold and strict, and I never felt really loved by any of my parents, let alone my father (and that is a legitimate feeling as he's a wounded bird himself, incapable of love for any human being, just animals). But what the heck, parents are just a piece of the puzzle, right
About making money: I think if you do what you really enjoy, money is a side-effect. Of course if you don't let it be your main concern, which I'm doing now and trying not to

Harpyr,
I'm quite speechless re. your dream. (...she said and then words started pouring out... ) It's horrible, but I think you can find answers only in yourself. It seems to me that your dream is maybe some kind of a reflection of your inner fears of some sort. In any case you have some unresolved issues, perhaps with violence... Just guessing, maybe I'll trigger something in your memory...

posted January 28, 2003 07:07 AM              

But of course I can't know that because I don't know you well enough. I sometimes dream about my b/f dying and I wake up in tears, and this is most often after we've had a nasty fight. But I know that this is the reflection of my fear of losing him (maybe I feel that only death can take him away from me, you know, forces beyond my control). Or your dream is indeed some kind of a memory from your past life, but past lives are also the roots of our present psyche, so it's all connected I think.

Re. what you wrote about Lunar Scorps - I must get that book!!
I relate to everything more or less, as I'm sure everyone else here does, too.
I already said that I wanted to study psychology, and it does seem that I have the ability to draw out usually the worst in people (if they're hiding it, of course, and most people are ). I always look for what the person is hiding rather than showing on the outside, and "if you seek, you shall find".
Yes, I was preoccupied with sex, not so much now (since I'm in a relationship ). But to be true to the text, I don't want to talk about this
I think all of us here are masters of hiding our true feelings. But they do get the better of me many times, I must say. Emotional extremes - of course.
Well... Why would I waste time reiterating what's been said in the text: it's all very much true!! I even work at home and I find it excellent, and I'd like a job where my work would have an effect, but wouldn't require exposing myself publicly. Sort of like a puppet master, you know.

posted January 28, 2003 07:09 AM              

Maybe I'll just say what does not apply to me so much: I'm not a very good housewife, but it's true that when I do start cleaning up, I throw away things mercilessly (to my b/f's horror - he keeps every little thing and it drives me crazy), as I want to start "afresh" (Pluto - regeneration). And I'm a perfectionist, so when I do clean up, I do it very meticulously, therefore it's very rare as I'm also very lazy. I identify with the first few jobs (critic, proofreader, psychoanalist), not so much with the chemistry stuff, although I like to dig and discover new things.
And I think promiscuity doesn't apply to me because for me loyalty is one of the main virtues I cherish. And alcoholism (when you can't stop drinking) I think is for the weeker souls. We can, I think, be drawn into it, but only periodically, as we also have the strength to cut it off when we WANT TO.
Yes, when I do or feel something I believe in, I do it with all my heart, mind and soul.

What I found really enlightening is the last part about choosing a difficult life in this incarnation. I often wondered about why all these things happen to me even though I've done nothing so awful as to deserve it, I've even tried to be as good a person as I can be ever since I can remember, but I keep getting the bad from people. "Suffering" is the major keyword here, I think we all Lunar Scorps feel that we've been suffering in our lives more deeply than most people. By suffering I mean emotional suffering.
Lately I intensely feel this purification of my karma and I'm starting to resist less and it helps a little.

Hi, poops!

morgana

posted January 28, 2003 10:59 AM              

Harpyr (this will be another long one)

I found all of your posts interesting! That "Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom" you mentioned...I actually have the cassette series; got it several years ago. It's been a while since I listened to it, so thanks for bringing it to my attention again.

With the Scorpio Moon interpretation you quoted, I related to several things. For one..."seeing into the depths of things". I can usually see beneath the surface; of a situation and of people, being able to spot a "phoney" instinctively. When I've tried to give warning of this to someone about someone else, I'm usually dismissed as being "too sensitive" or even on occasion paranoid. Then later...when the person I tried to warn gets scr***d...they'll return with an apology, asking, "How did you know?".

Another part I identified with was the preference to working alone. I have found through much trial and error, that despite my basic outgoing Gemini Sunsign nature, when it comes to work, I do best on my own. I hate "office politics", and someone looking over my shoulder. Also, in order for a job to hold my interest, I must be invested "body, mind and soul". I call it Magnificent Obsession, lol.

The final part that caught my eye was this position showing a "particularly difficult life". True again! And I agree about "karmic liabilities brought over from a previous existence". So many times in THIS life, when something really terrible happened, I'd feel like I was being punished. If I shared this feeling with somebody, they'd say, "Punished for what? You haven't done anything to deserve _ _ _ (fill in the blanks)". And then I would think, and come to the conclusion that I must be paying off a karmic debt from a PAST life. (It's usually about this time that I "lose" the other person - - they don't know what the heck I'm talking about, lol).

posted January 28, 2003 11:06 AM              

Regarding your nightmare, Harpyr: It is possible that it was just your subconscious mind "working through" what you experienced with your son's mishap right before you went to bed; that's probably what a psychologist would say, anyway. However...given everything discussed here about karma and past lives...have you considered the possibility that the horrors of the dream might be some kind of soul memory of a past life?? It's just a thought, but maybe one to ponder. I know for me, with what I just mentioned about my own karma, I've thought more than once that I must have been this terrible, cruel, unjust person in some past life and it's coming back to me now in spades. I also remember LG's reference to that Thunderbolt Accelerated Path of Karma in Gooberz. It may sound strange, but it makes sense to me when nothing else does.

In reference to your precognitive dream about your child's father: How awful it must have been for you, seeing it come to fruition; I'm so sorry. I can't say this is quite what I've experienced, though I HAVE had dreams so painful I either woke up sobbing or had to be shaken awake by a family member; in fact this happened just last week. I fell asleep in my chair in the living room and my daughter had to wake me because I was crying.

>>>one more part!>>>

posted January 28, 2003 11:07 AM              

I have instead, had premonitions while awake, of something terrible about to happen. Not usually of a specific event, but an overwhelming feeling of dread/foreboding, depressing me so much I'd barely be able to function. I would be seriously out of sorts, moving as if in a fog, and one time I actually had to lie down because I felt so bad. Then later that day or early the next, the terrible thing would happen. It's really creepy when this occurs, and a part of the "Scorpio energy" I wish I didn't have...

Well, that's all for now. (finally!) I'll end this by saying Harpyr, to try and not worry too much about the nightmare you shared literally coming true. I'm guessing here, but it could either be the possible soul memory I mentioned earlier, or maybe something symbolic, ie an outward reflection (bizaar though it is) of inner feelings. I hope this helps, and I'd be interested on any insights you may have about it. Take care.

Hello, fellow Moonmates!

posted January 28, 2003 05:58 PM              

Yes, yes, yes,.... I HAVE to work alone too, I need space, quiet and alot of thinking time, which is impossible to have in a crowded work environment. I just can't function properly in those sort of surroundings!

As for us girls suffering emotionally, sadly this does seem to be true. I honestly feel like nobody understands the depths of my feelings, it is just not something that other people feel.

For instance, if hubby and I argue, ( which has been too frequent for my liking , thanks to Saturn in the 7th ) I feel emotionally exhausted, and so bloody drained that sometimes I'm good for nothing afterwards until things are patched up again.

If my personal life is going through a rough patch, I really seem to suffer, but thankfully, I have some excellent friends who cheer me up, so that's nice. These episodes do see me sink to my depths, before being able to rise again.

Just my two cents worth

poops

posted January 29, 2003 05:02 AM              

Poops, we all understand you!
I have Mars in the 7th and it demands constant battle, you can imagine how that is, but I sympathise with your Saturn position, it must be exhausting... I hope that you don't have this placement in your composite chart as well (yours and his combined).

Hi, Twinlady
and all my darling Moonbuddies (great, poops, we have another name!)

posted January 29, 2003 10:33 AM              

I have a problem and I'm posting now, looking for support and/or understanding that I'm coming to believe is unique of other Lunar Scorpios. I'm very upset, so please bear with me.

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned a falling out with a lifelong friend. As briefly as possible, here's the rest of it: It began with her blasting me because ONE TIME, I put my needs above hers; I was very sick and not available to her. I was stunned and very hurt by her treatment, and decided she couldn't be much of a "friend" if she was capable this after all I've done for her, therefore I didn't want contact with her anymore. But it didn't end there. She has since involved her grown daughter, who has been incredibly vicious to me...AND my daughters, my brother, and father; even the other former friend. I am a very private person and felt from the beginning that this was between the "friend" and me. But thanks to what she's done, some of the very people closest to me are being manipulated and they don't even realize it. This person I'm referring to is playing the poor victim while portraying me as the cold-hearted b**ch. What no-one seems to understand is that I am at a place where I just want peace. I am trying to protect myself from further abuse and more hurt. But once again, MY feelings are not respected; in fact they're totally ignored.

Because they know where my older daughter works, they've gone to see her and want to get together with her. I am trying VERY HARD to implement the Aquarian energy talked about earlier here by keeping an attitude of "live and let live"...telling myself that my daughter is entitled to make her own decisions regarding this mess, but I can't help feeling betrayed!! Over the past few years, my "friend" and her daughter got too busy with their lives to make time for my girls; now suddenly they "miss" them and want to have regular contact. I'm having a tough time perceiving this as anything more than using my older daughter as a way of continuing to keep tabs on me and my own life. I appreciate my daughter coming to me first, instead of just doing anything behind my back, yet the fact that she is willing to see my ex-friend's daughter after she was so horrible to me, hurts deeply. All I can do is try and imagine myself staying friendly with someone who harmed my own (late) Mother...and the simple truth is I could not...nomatter how much I may have liked that person. If somebody is unkind to someone I love, that somebody is not a person I want to associate with, period.

Please...someone here tell me I'm not being unreasonable about this. Am I making this out to be more than it is? As I said before, all I want is PEACE, to put it behind me and move on...and this has been going on for nearly 5 months now. I could really use some input, and promise to keep an open mind.

There's much more to this, but I'd be typing longer than I have time for right now. Incidentally...I have shared my feelings with the 2 Aquarian friends I referred to in earlier posts, and they have both been supportive...which I must admit is a relief because too many others around me have made me feel like something's wrong with me.

I'm sorry to go on and on about this, but I'm remembering Morgana's recent suggestion of us coming here or to any future Lunar Scorpion thread to discuss problems of "our sort"...so here I am! :blush:

Thanks to all you Moonbuddies (I like that name too, Poops) for listening.

posted January 29, 2003 06:48 PM            

I think I may have been in Nazi Germany in a past life. When I was a little girl I had this irrational fear the the Nazis may show up and try to take me away and I spent alot of time planning my hiding spaces incase of such a scenario.
Or maybe it's a witchhunt thing. I've been facinated by the image of the Witch since I was about 3 years old, from then on I was a Witch for almost every Halloween (my favorite holiday). Now I consider myself a Witch and I feel that the reason I was drawn to the occult from such a young age was because it's simply a continuation of studies have I have began in previous incarnations. I may have been a victim in the burning times..

Morgana-
Like you I balked at the description of the scrupulous lunar scorpion housekeeping. I have been a notorious pack rat most of my life. I mean EXTREME pack rat, my parents still have tons of boxes in their basement from my youth.
It could have something to do with the square from my leo ascendant to my scorpio moon/venus conjuntion (at 7degrees 20 minutes by the way). For me, I think my poor housekeeping and inability to get rid of stuff has been indicitive of a psyche out of balance, not living up to my best potential and therefore exhibiting the opposite effect. Recently I have been making a concertive effort to reduce my material clutter and eliminate useless stuff. I have found it to be extremely liberating. While cleaning my home I am finding that the cobwebs are being swept from my inner realms as well. It's like the fung-sui thing, where one's outer dwelling reflects the state of one's inner world.

posted January 29, 2003 06:49 PM            

About your current dilemma...that's a tough one. Do you live in a small town with lots of gossip? It reminded me of my home town where everyone seemed more interested in getting involved with other people's problems instead of looking inward and wrestling with our own issues (we all have them).
It may be the best thing to do is just reiterate to anyone (daughter, father, friends..) that wants to confront you on this issue that it was something between you and your ex-friend to begin with and you would like to leave it at that. If you have decided that the friendship is over then the last thing that is going to change that is everyone else trying to meddle with the situation. If you are ever going to reconcile anything then, again, it will be between you and the ex-friend.

People need to mind their own buisness. Try not to say anything to anyone about the ex-friend or her daughter that you wouldn't say to their own face. If you can not comment at all to your family and friends that are getting in middle of it, other than you just want this behind you and to live in peace, then that is even better. The less you say, the less interesting it will be to keep bringing it up. Perhaps it's kind of like those people who tease just to get a reaction and once you stop giving a reaction, it's no longer any fun to tease. Don't add fuel to the fire and it will probably go out. They will lose interest eventually..
That is a policy I started living by a few years ago after seeing how destructive gossip can be if you say things to people about others that you wouldn't say to those others yourself. I've found my life to be much easier in many regards.

I'm not sure if that helped at all. I hope so.

Hi Poops!

Till later, lunarladies (the regulars round here seem to be all womyn, right?)

posted January 29, 2003 09:43 PM              

Morgana, 27.4 is my degree, which is very close to yours. Mine's in the 12th house, where was yours again, sorry, I've forgotten

Harpyr
Good Advice, and I can relate, as we live in a very small town, so gossip is rife, but makes my stomach churn, so I mainly keep to myself, but the good friends that I have here are priceless. I have two teenagers, so often I'll hear gossip when they have behaved as teenagers do, but like I've said to them, I find out everything, so please be honest with me!

Most times I find the adults are so petty and quite pathetic as to what they dribble on about re others, and I just cannot relate to those kinds of people, so I choose my friends here very wisely.

Twin Lady

I'm so sorry to hear that your friend has turned so nasty and petty. Is she bored?

Ridding her from your life is probably the only choice that you have left. For her to involve so many other people is ridiculous and only adding fuel to the fire.

But if you choose not to retaliate or add any more energy to this drama, I'm sure, in time, it will burn itself out.

Often a letter to yourself, where you can express yourself as honestly as you like, swearing and cursing included, is very helpful, as these emotions are far better out than in!

Nobody needs to read your letter, but I guarantee you'll feel a whole heap better when you've finished it.

I do this when hubby and I are having a doozy, then afterwards I can still aknowledge my feelings and emotions, but are not so controlled by them. I then send him white light with love vibes to try and calm down any obvious no win situations.

After 21 years, you can probably imagine some of the doozy's that we have had, but so far, this has worked for us.

When there is no opponent, there can be no battle, and if your 'friend' continues to bag you out to everyone, I'm sure in time they'll all get sick of listening to her.

I would be inclined not to discuss this with those who want to hear the goss by replying that " I have no room in my life for this drama and it is finished as far as I am concerned"......Period!
And also tell those that insisting on telling you things that she has said, that you don't want to know! It does not interest you..etc,etc.

Remember our thoughts are very powerful, so try and think above all that rubbish and KNOW that you are a better person for it.

Stay strong and look after number one.........YOU!
Good Luck Matey

poops

posted January 29, 2003 11:56 PM              

Thank you so much for your responses. Taking the time to do this means more than I can say. It amazes me no end how one can find caring people via this Internet from literally all over the world!

I'm also impressed that you both gave basically the same suggestions as to how I should handle the situation, and it is pretty much what I've been doing. I'm now realizing that I need to keep a low profile and silent even with my daughter. She IS entitled to make her own decisions, and must reach her own conclusions.

People butting into my business has been a pattern throughout my adult life and something I've never taken to kindly. I honestly do mind my own, and have always wondered why others can't do the same. I live on the outskirts of a small metropolis, but grew up within the city, so I know a lot of people (and unfortunately they "think" they know me, lol).

I'm not going to beat myself up over it, but in a way this current problem is partly "my fault". For many years, my relative passivity (Pisces Rising) coupled with my core friendliness (Gem Sun) has taught people that it's okay to push me around, and expect me always to put them first, nurturing them, and to heck with me. But over the past couple of years I have been changing from the inside out. Between transiting Saturn passing over my Sun and transiting Pluto opposing it, this is not so surprising to me, but it sure is to others. As Saturn and Pluto are two of the three planets involved in my natal T-square, it is vital that I don't resist these changes because I believe that in the longrun it will be for my good, even though it hurts like h**l now with losing people whom I thought cared about me. Another thing I've realized is that Pluto's activity has been in my 9th house, prompting me to do a lot of soul-searching and seeking spiritual enlightenment. It has followed naturally that I'd need to remove a few "unenlightened" acquaintances to make room for those more of like mind with me. Anyway...just thinking out loud.

I've had a day to think over the recent events that led me to post my problem here and I'm happy to say I am feeling better about it. Classic example of Scorpio Moon reacting intensely, then Gemini Sun analyzing the thoughts, lol. But coming online and reading your responses has helped me considerably...so again, THANK YOU!! I've said this before but it bears repeating: I'm so glad I found this site, and this thread.

BTW Morgana, my Moon is 4 degrees Scorpio in my 8th; exactly conjunct Juno, widely conjunct Neptune, exactly trined Mars at 4 degrees Cancer, and widely trined Mercury.

Until next time, to my fellow Moonmates!

posted January 30, 2003 04:50 AM              

Twinlady,
I sympathise so much with you, I can't imagine how your life-long (!) friend can be so nasty. She probably must have some Scorpio traits herself, but no, not the Moon... Just kidding. Some harsh aspects have the same effect. Harpyr, Poops and Purpleflame already gave you the best advice possible and I agree, adding fuel to the fire does not help if the other person does not want to understand you, period. If she only wants revenge, then it will return back at her three-times more powerful, so don't worry, she is digging her own pit, so to speak. But you're worried about your daughter and your loved ones who are being turned against you - I know how that feels, I've experienced it so many times (except with my Aqua friend - interesting, isn't it?). As for your daughter, maybe just to get if off your chest, you should talk to her and just explain her the situation with your former friend, without influencing her or anything, just explain her the situation from your point of view so that she will know how you feel and then leave it at that and let her do what she wants. This way she will at least know how you feel and if she continues to have contact (and I don't see why not) with your friend, she will at least know what happened and can make her own judgements. It's like Harpyr said, everybody must make their own mistakes, there's nothing you can do about that, you just have to wait it out. Painful, yes, but worth it. Have you thought about confronting your friend and ask her why she is doing this? Maybe that would accelerate the developemnt of this painful episode and it would certainly help you get it out of your system. It's difficult if you can't point your finger at anything she does, but you both know what's happening and you should tell her that. Confront her when she is alone and just plainly ask her why she is doing this to you. Regardless of how she reacts, it will make you feel so much better because you will be open and honest about it and she won't know what to tell you. And there's your victory. If you choose to do that. If you choose the more difficult path (which you're so used to, I know), that is, to do nothing, you have to be strong as you are and wait for time to prove your right (I'm referring to the thing with your daughter and your loved ones, not your friend since she has other motives), and rise, like you say, above all this.

posted January 30, 2003 05:01 AM              

I know it's painful, I've lost a few friends like that and I experienced the same, they turned people against me and trashed me behind my back, being suddenly all so cold towards me even though I did them no wrong, casting me out and calling me a b**ch. Well, never mind, I'm sure some of them feel stupid about that now, and those who don't, never liked me in the first place. I live in the capital which is very small compared to the American cities, so I keep running into these people. It's hard, but you get used to it. My principles are more important and I've done nothing wrong so as to be ashamed of it, so I just ignore them and mind my own business. At times like these, the true character of people comes out and you see how easily people can be manipulated. But again, this is worth repeating: people have to make their own mistakes, there is no other way. So be wise and let them do it.
And I know it will take a lot of time for you to get over this, so feel free to express your feelings here whenever you like. That's my "process" of getting over it: I nag my b/f about it on and on, talking and analysing, getting angry and sad and then strong again and optimistic, and this goes on and on for months, until I'm "purged" of these negative feelings. I just have to let them out, and it helps so much, so please, if you want to share anything, don't hesitate, it will make it so much easier for you. I will listen to you and I'll try to help.

Poops, that's great advice about telling everybody that you're just not interested to hear anything related to this situation, period. That really works. If you don't want to know, you can just screen things out. Everything's up to you - what you will let into your life.

Poops, your Moon is where my Jupiter is. But it's in the 4th house.