posted January 30, 2003 05:11 AM              

BTW, our Moons sit on the sinister fixed star Unukalhai (The Serpent's Heart it is called, or Alpha Serpentis).
Does anyone else have some fixed star in conjunction with their Moon?

Hey, Purpleflame, do you have by any chance those Juno interpretations?

Twinlady, my Moon is also conjunct my Neptune, and my Jupiter (it's a triple conjunction).

Till next time!

posted January 30, 2003 09:14 AM              

Morgana, thank you for your kind response to my recent post. I had to smile when you referred to a hurricane coming and going in your absence.

You are exactly right in sensing Scorpio traits with the ex friend and her daughter. I was going to refer to it myself when I first shared this, but didn't have time to go into it then. The "friend" has Mercury, Venus and Saturn all in Scorpio, squared by Mars in Aquarius, so you can imagine how she expresses herself. Her daughter has a Scorp Ascendant and Uranus in Scorpio, Mars widely conjunct her Sun and square her Saturn. In both charts, MARS is a big contributor to the combativeness of their natures. And presently, both are directing this towards me, lol. I on the other hand, having Mars in Cancer...use the energy of this planet to protect...myself, and those I love. I'm certain this is why I'm having the problem with my daughter being in contact with them. She has a Pisces Moon and is so much more gullible than she, herself, even realizes. I WORRY, not just about her being influenced by them in ways that would oppose me...but more importantly in ways that could harm her, if you know what I mean. Again though -- and surely this is one of the toughest things about being a Mother -- I have to let her make her own decisions and her own mistakes (and she IS making a big mistake here; I know this in my soul). BTW, I did sit down with her and express my feelings about the matter, adding that she has to do what she has to do...and so must I.

Regarding Scorpio traits, my placements (Moon, Juno, Saturn) are in Scorpio AND my 8th house, which adds power to the whole thing; so when push comes to shove, I guess I AM up to whatever gets thrown at me. It's just that I would rather not be bothered, lol. I'm sick of wasting precious energy on this nonsense; I've only so much to spare and need to focus it on myself for once.

Morgana, you mentioned me confronting my "friend" as to why she is doing this. In the first week or so after this began, I did that, trying to prevent where I could see this was going. She utterly disregarded my attempts to straighten things out between us, then her daughter got in on it...and that is when I cut her off. The fact that as said earlier, my entire family was pulled into this has only strengthened my resolve. To my way of thinking this is treachery, plain and simple. To their credit, both my father and my brother have opted to stay out of it, telling her and her daughter this, then letting me know. Okay...ENOUGH for now!!!

Thanks again everyone, for listening, and validating. As long as I can vent my feelings somewhere safely, I'll be okay.

posted January 30, 2003 06:14 PM            

I just looked up my chart again on astro.com to see if I have any prominent fixed stars in my chart. The only conjunction was ANT (?) to my sun. Is that Antares, as in the tail of the scorpion? Interesting.

I also discovered something really interesting. I didn't think I had any T-Sqares or Grand Trines or anything exciting like that because I have such a planetary pileup in the 5th house. BUT..it turns out that I have chiron in the 11th almost exactly opposing my moon/venus (7°Scorp-loosely conjuct Uranus at 17°) and then Juno in the 7th (8°Aqua) opposing my AC/Jupiter conjuction in Leo(3° and 9° respectfully). SOO..I have a Grand Cross. Whoa!
This makes some sense though..Some of the suffering in this incarnation, as a purging of past life transgressions that I attribute to my Scorpio moon has caused me to embrace the humanitarian tendancies of the 11th house. I have this intense desire to make the world a better place, not just for my son but because when I return in a future incarnation I want the situation here on earth to be conducive to a happy reunion with my beloved and to have the opportunity to live a full and happy life together. So I have been diving into the activism scene of late, going to protests and joining a magical activism cluster.

An astrologer once told me that since I have 7 planets in the 5th house I need to focus on the energies of the 11th to best express my potential. The wounded healer sitting there, opposing the moon/venus seems to indicate the same. So, Twin Lady, when you said the 11th house is the house of wishes fufilled, that really struck a chord with me. I had never heard that one before.
Now I just need to figure out what Juno means.....

Purple Flame, Poops-
You are Sag Suns with Jupiter in Leo too? That's pretty neat. Poops, did you say something about being a pack rat too? Maybe it really is that Leo Jupiter contributing to that...

Ohh yeah..Twin Lady,
I could see that your Pisces rising probably has alot to do with your current dilemma with your "friend".. That Piscean energy has this way of drawing people in who want to vent and recieve sympathy. A common problem is people 'dumping' too much on a poor Pisces person..I saw that alot with my lover who was a Pisces sun with a Gemini moon..

For you though, when it got to be too much, that protective Scorpio moon said "Enough!" .
So when you weren't there for your 'friend' after being there for soo long, it was a shock. After all, the Pisces is only your rising, it isn't your core being as much as the Gemini and Scorpio are and when the veil of Pisces' suffering compassion was pulled back to reveal the true nature of someone who won't sit back and allow another to unload all their problems unendingly, it was probably too much for your friend to handle.

Just some thoughts..let me know if I am offbase of course..

posted January 30, 2003 09:23 PM              

even though that's not my venus sign

posted January 31, 2003 04:54 AM            

BTW, Icemists, what is your venus sign?

"Venus in Scorpio-
Keynote- Passionate feelings seek indirect modes of expression.
Symbol- A femme fatale works as an undercover agent.

Venus in detriment in Scorpio betrays it's weakest qualities. The Scorpionic preoccupation with sex brings out the seductiveness of the amourous goddess of love, and the emotions may be so susceptible that the native will say along with Oscar Wilde,
"I can resist everything except temptation."

The blending of this earth planet with a watery sign can , as in all earth-water combinations, produce a mirky sensuality. Nevertheless, the wetness of the earth encourages plants to grow, and this placement is not inimmical to accomplishment.

Often it bestows a sultry charm which simultaneously attracts and repels. It may also stimulate creative endeavor in compensation for emotional lacks and frustrations. The saying, "He who rides a tiger cannot get off," applies to many Venusian Scorpions who work with an almost frenzied intensity to sublimate and redirect their erotic instincts into socially acceptable channels.
They may lead exemplary lives, but only through constant restraint of their unruly impulses.

The contradictory action of Venus in Scorpio is well illustrated in Mahatma Gandhi's autobiography in which he candidly describes his many battles with carnal desire. He tells of the lustfulness, possessiveness and tryannical jealousy which made the early years of his marriage a miserable ordeal for his teenaged wife, and recounts how he succeeded, after prolonged inner struggle, in invoking the strength to deal with his emotional problems. Since Scorpio is the sign of elimination, the method Gandhi chose was to cut out sex.

Venus is in detriment in Scorpio because, metaphysically, this is the sign in which the soul is compelled to renounce it's attachments to objects of the senses. Scorpio's penetrating mind has undergone a vast disenchantment with the gossipy parties and frivolous indulgences of worldly Venus. Socially conscious Venusian Scorpions are capable of deliberately turning their backs on a life of ease and rededicating themselves to a cause requiring privation and personal sacrifice. As a late autumn sign Scorpio senses the coming of winter and feels a need to strip down to the bare essentials in order to indentify with enduring values.

Scorpio signifies conflict qand destruction and in wartime Venusian luxuries are the first to be abolished. Families are uprooted and lovers are wrenched apart. Love becomes a hit and run affair with scant opportunity for meaningful relationship to develop. Small wonder that Venus is unhappy in this Martial sign and may be driven by emotional conflicts which lead to passionate liasons but which make it difficult to achieve a lasting union. As Oscar Wilde wrote-
"Yet each man kills the thing he loves,
By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword."

posted January 31, 2003 05:15 AM              

Twinlady,
then you did all you could and now comes the tough part. It's just awful what's happening to you and I'd also see it as treachery. But (it's easy for me to say as I'm not involved, right) other people are not as deep as you are so don't judge them too harshly. They're just ignorant or blind, that's all. And this too shall pass, as they say. I'm sorry you have to go through this alone (in the real world ), but we're here for you!

posted January 31, 2003 09:26 PM              

You weren't off base at all with your Pisces Rising/Gemini/Scorpio interpretation; you were "right on", lol. While I consider myself a very compassionate person, with all the water in my chart ( 3 Cancer planets, 3 Scorp with Juno, and Pisces Rising)...after a while it becomes very draining on me emotionally...especially if I'm not receiving much compassion in return, if you know what I mean. I've used up so much energy trying to take care of everybody else that I neglected me, and the state of my life at present reflects it. Since it is clear that no one else is going to "take care" of me, it is now a matter of urgency that I learn to do it for myself. It's a new thing for me, and the guilt being dumped on me doesn't make it any easier. That's why this thread has been so helpful. Here, I've received no judgment, only understanding.

Morgana,

Thank you for your encouraging words. I honestly feel that as long as SOMEONE can comprehend where I'm coming from in this situation, then I'm not really alone; and at the least...I don't feel like some kind of "freak", lol. Really, you guys are just terrific.

posted February 01, 2003 01:01 AM              

Great to read you are getting on top of this problem, good for you!

It is a comfy place, where I too feel very able to express my emotional side, which is not always an easy thing with my 12th house moon,so I can relate there

Flame

My Jupiter is in Libra in the 11th...4 degrees 18 ( think that is how it's said, as I had a big night last night, so the old brainbox is struggling a tad today )
My Jupiter squares my Sagi sun, and my Merc in Cappie in the 1st, trines Venus in Aqua in the 3rd, conjuncts Uranus in Libra in the 11th, and Pluto in Virgo in the 10th, opposes the nodes and chiron in Pisces in the 4th ( I think )

Is that what you wanted to know?

posted February 01, 2003 06:04 AM              

Harpyr, Poops,
I just wanted to say that all that you've been saying, especially about Twinlady's problem, is very wise and insightful and I couldn't agree more with everything
you wrote.

Harpyr, 7 (!!!) planets in the 5th? WOW! You must be enjoying life to the fullest (as much as your Scorp Moon allows you to, of course ). This book of yours is amazing, I must buy it, the interpretations are really deep, I like that. My Venus is in Gemini, by the way. The only other planet I have in Scorpio (besides IC) is Jupiter.

Yes, that ANT star is Antares at 9 degrees or so Sagittarius. Here's a link to the list of the fixed stars that you'll probably find interesting:

http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/alphabet1.htm

Don't feel guilty, Twinlady, you're just being what you are. People rarely understand that kind of emotional extremism. I do, because for me it's all or nothing at all, and as much as it is painful and alienating, this is how I am and now (just like you, starting afresh) I'm looking for people to accept me as such. I think if you don't feel guilty about it and accept yourself as such, others will too.

Poops,
12th house Moon, you must have a very strong subconscious, Moon is strongest in the 12th, it's exalted there.

Purpleflame, how 'bout those JUNO interpretations?

posted February 01, 2003 05:23 PM              

Thanks for that Morgana, as I didn't know that the moon was exalted in the 12th house.

Yes, my subconscious mind is strong....you know, I've always thought I'd be one of the happiest people on Earth if it wasn't for my moon here, making me analyse, dig, dread, penetrate, and 'know' too much sometimes

But, on the other hand, it certainly stops me from being at all shallow and I'm learning to appreciate it's gifts along the way, but if I could have swapped it years ago, I probably would have!

to all my mates here!

posted February 01, 2003 09:35 PM              

my venus is in cancer

all this time i wanted a more exciting placement of venus, one that'll help provide an experience of romance love like one of those tragic acts...don't know why, i think i seem to derive pleasure from pain

Bob Marks would say that cancer venus likes to suffer in love

the last paragraph, it's a really close description of the kind of love i'm drawn to...yes yes secret liaisons, risky rendezvous

btw Buffy & Angel's love is a really good example of Oscar Wilde's poem

what's your book called? the description of venus scorpio is the best i've read

posted February 02, 2003 04:46 AM              

Hi, my Moonbuddies!

Welcome, AstrlGypsy!!
So we have another Sagittarius with a Scorp Moon. Now I believe there's 4 of you. AstrlGypsy, why do you feel intimidated? We only bite (or sting is the word) people who don't have Moon in Scorpio. Just kidding. You might want to look at some of Swerve's posts, he was here for a while some time ago, but now he's disappeared. I just hope everything's fine with him and that he'll come back one day and say hello to us girls. Well, he has, just like you, a Scorp Ascendant as well and his Scorp Moon in his 1st house. Where's your Ascendant? The other Sags with Scorp Moon are Poops, Purpleflame and Harpyr, so maybe you'll find something in their posts or you can ask them for advice in regard to this Sun-Moon combination. I wish you all the luck with the custody battle!

posted February 02, 2003 04:47 AM              

Ice Mists, are you a Sag too? I forgot, I'm sorry. Maybe it's that Mercury of yours in Cancer that confused me (as I have it too, and I'm a Cancer)...

Yes, Poops, Moon is exalted in Pisces and 12th house belongs to Pisces, so. I think this analysing stuff is more connected to Moon in Scorp rather than the overflowing, universal, dreamy Pisces. As I see Pisces, it doesn't go to the depths as Scorpio, it overflows and all-encompasses (is that a word?). But your Scorp Moon is blending beautifully with this energy.

Purpleflame,
I thought you had those Juno interpretations. Sorry for nagging you about it.
Thanks for the info you have, though.
Oh, my North Node is in Aqua. Does anyone know if North Node and True Node are one and the same? I just looked at my chart and tables and it said North Node so and so, True Node so and so (they differ in a degree or so).

I have to go to my mother's now so she can feed me , so I'll see you all later!

posted February 02, 2003 04:53 AM              

I think we all felt a bit that way at first, so don't worry. My god, you are a busy woman, I wish I had a half of your get up and go

You are welcome here

Hi Flame

Well now I am confused, as the aspects that I have are from a chart that I did at Astro.com probably last year some time, and it definately shows my Jupiter in Libra squaring my Saggi Sun, not to say that this is right though........Hmmmmm, I wouldn't have a clue, so that is a suprise to hear that.

Hmmm, not sure now???

posted February 02, 2003 07:33 AM            

I'm just going to leave a quick post, it's super late and I just got home from a really great evening of live music and dancing. ..morgana, yes indeed..my seven planets in the fifth house like to really live it up sometimes

I just wanted to pipe in really quick with regards to a couple technical questions I may have some insight to ..

Poops, I also caught the odd square between Jupiter in Libra with a Sag sun..the Merc.in Cappy tipped me off. I'm guessing your Sag sun in within the last six degrees of Saggitarius..? That would form a square with the fourth degree of Libra with an orb of 10 degrees.. It's not as powerful a square as it would be if the two planets were in the same modality (cardinal in this instance..) so, acording to this book that I've been quoting from (Astrology-the Divine Science..see a page back for the author), it could be described as a 'confused' energy.

I hope that is intelligeble..I've had a bit to drink

posted February 02, 2003 07:34 AM            

But whether or not you use the true node or the north, I have heard from many astrologers that the only aspect to take seriously in regards to the nodes are conjunctions. It's because the nodes aren't really anysort of material body, emanating an energy like the other planets. They are points in the sky only. Much like I think the only consideration for fixed stars in conjuctions. So, you look in a person's chart for their house placement of the nodes and whether or not there is a conjuction and also you can use them in synastry..seeing where person X's node may conjoin person Y's and vice versa.

Well, I just wanted to be helpful, especially with that Libra/Saggitarius square issue..Now I am going to sleep.
I'll respond more later!

posted February 03, 2003 02:09 AM              

I wouldn't have know that, so thanks for clearing that up for us.........and yes, even with a 'belly full' you made sense!

Confusion is an understatement !!!

posted February 03, 2003 04:43 AM              

but saggi is certainly the most popular sign here

Poops
how was John Edward's show?

posted February 03, 2003 04:46 AM              

Do you happen to know what it means if my North Node conjuncts the other person's Ascendant? And if our Ascendants are exactly the opposite?

Hi, Poops!

See you all later!

posted February 03, 2003 04:47 AM              

Of course, Gemini, the same as Twinlady's! Now I remember.

Yeah, poops, did you go?