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Topic: 7th House..your 1st marriage..9th House..your 2nd
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Purpleflame
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posted January 19, 2003 04:20 PM
 
I have heard mention of this in a few places now. They say that the 7th House shows your First Marriage partner or what they are 'like' and the 9th House signifies your 2nd. I have also heard depending on your 7th House Cusp it will tell if you may be married only once or will lean to 2 marriages etc.eg. Gemini on the 7th cusp lends itself to the possibility of two marriages. To all of you happily married firstimers do not even look at this. For me though, I am now divorced and find the idea quite entertaining. Actually, downright intriguing that this is sitting in our natal 'map'. However did people figure all these 'signs' out? Even though I have never done a survey about anything astrological, upon reflection peoples' birthdates are readily available with their marriage certificates or other data.
My question is..just what does the 9th show? Does the significant others Mars (guy)fall in the womans' 9th house in her chart? Would love to hear what anyone knows of this. Love  Flame IP: Logged |
Mystique
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posted January 19, 2003 07:13 PM
Hi Purpleflame!
Firstly where in Canada are you. I am in Ontario and its been like - 1000 deg C  for the past few days!From what I know the 9th house signifies among many other things legal matters since it is Jupiter's natural house. I guess that is where marriage comes in. Mind you I have seen 9th house activated with 1st marriages as well.
Look also to progressions, example your 1st or 7th ruler moving into 9th or one of the personal planets - Sun through to Mars.
The 1st, 5th and 7th rulers become love indicators as well so if the partner's said planets sit in the 9th that could be another indication of a commitment, which will be activated in the natal charts by a transit or progression.
At the time of a marriage there will be many other indicators in the chart of course, but just looking at synastry between natal charts the girl's Moon or Venus in the boy's 9th (showing his ideal woman) and the man's Sun or Mars in the woman's 9th is a good indication too.
I have read all kinds of indicators regarding 9th house but there is one book I had read that mentioned the 11th as the 2nd marriage indicator (cannot recall the author) but she backed it up by saying that the 11th is the 5th from your 7th (which is the partner's 1st house according to derivative house method), so that it shows his/her love for the native!
Hmmm lets see what else I can come up with. Nice to meet you and I love your alias...purple is your favourite colour 
Love
Mystique
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Purpleflame
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posted January 19, 2003 09:15 PM
Hi Mystique, I am all the way across Canada on the Westcoast. It has been really mild here this winter and I do not miss the snow at all, eh?
I did go back and find the article. It is in the bobmarksastrologer.com This site is great and in the houses it speaks of the angular houses and then in the more info part goes into the 7th in depth. It states in there that the 3rd marriage would be in the 11th house. Let's hope that many won't need that info,including me. I was told by my Reader that I had a loooong 9th house and that I will remarry and so I better REALLY want to be with him cos it will be a LLOOOOOOng marriage. My first was 20 so it will be as long/or longer. The House system we were using was Placidus.
If a man's VEnus fell close to the beginning of my 7th and his Mars was sitting in my 9th would that be good. I have him sitting in my houses like that.His Sun and my Vertex are conjunct sitting close to the cusp of my 8th. You sound like you have done lots of reading in these areas. VEry interesting.
I have only had this one alias and truly believe that the colour Purple is good for my soul. Talk soon. LOve Flame IP: Logged |
Mystique
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posted January 19, 2003 09:35 PM
Oh hi Purpleflame,
Just checked in quickly but will talk more with you tomorrow...
No, the notes I was referring to were from a book I read and the 11th according to her was the 2nd marriage...she did mention it was going against the mainstream since 9th is considered the 2nd marriage by the ancients but she gave her reasoning as I stated above. I'll see if can find out which book it was!
Just from the Sun/Vertex conj in your 8th and his Venus on your desc that is an excellent connection right there.
Which house does your Sun rule and which house of his does Mars rule?
I'll see you tomorrow...my warm bed is calling me
You are lucky the winter storm here is very heavy....brrrrrrr!
Love
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brunnhilde
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posted January 19, 2003 09:53 PM
Hello|WEst coast and Ontario....I just felt like adding East coast and cold, cold so cold!
-28 pt -35 these last couple of days.Three cars in the yard and all three died.THey didn't even want to wake up! My husbands' Mars is conjunct my 7th house cusp in Taurus.I mean really on top of the thing....and we've been together for 24 years.WHile his Venus is in my Pisces ...no conjuction but isn't the man's Venus the kind of woman he is attracted to?As for the 9th house I'm not even going to check....better the devil you know than the devil you don't!!!And that devil likes to tempt me waaaay too much!!! IP: Logged |
Purpleflame
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posted January 19, 2003 11:18 PM
Brunnhilde, so mild that I put purple, fuschia and sunny yellow primulas in my tubs on the front steps this afternoon. It is nice to have a winter like this one and I am hoping that it will continue like this. Hey, I put these out in a mild drizzle but we have had quite a few sunny days this winter.
And do not even LOOK at the 9th house/2nd marriage stuff if you are in a marriage now. This is new to me and it is kind of interesting.
Mystique, I know my Sun is Sag and the ruler is Jupiter which rules the 9th house,right? His houses I do not know as I do not know his birthtime. I do know that my 9th has his Mars in it (in Libra). His Venus is the one near my 7th house cusp in Cancer.Mystique, I thank you so much for the positive feedback info. He also has his Uranus in Gem 29 even closer to my cusp (Gem 27) Why do I feel maybe it is this aspect that I do not wish to hear about?? Talk tomorrow. Sweet dreams. Love Flame
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Bernadette1216
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posted January 20, 2003 08:13 AM
this is very interesting!! I just looked at my chart..and I have 4 planets in the 7th house...Jupiter, Mars,Venus and Neptune! And I have Mercury in the 9th and nothing in the 11th.Currently I am in my 2nd marriage...I don't know the birth info for my husbands, times that is. Does 4 planets mean I'll marry FOUR times?? IP: Logged |
Purpleflame
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posted January 20, 2003 10:40 PM
Hi Bernadette, I am not an expert at all but have spent lots of time reading articles written by many. I noticed when it spoke of marriage it would mention the 7th house. It was the woman who reads my Tarot that mentioned that I would marry twice as I had Gemini on my 7th house cusp. Gemini being the twins is connected with two. Thus two marriages. You need to look at the sign on your 7th house and tell us what it is.Then in the 9th will show the characteristics of the 2nd husband. Clearer?
Please do not think that the four planets in your 7th indicate that you will be married 4 times. No,no,no and no again. Talk soon. Love Flame
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Oxychick
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posted January 20, 2003 10:42 PM
SO what does Sag on the cusp of the 7th mean, with Neptune there and Venus in Cappy in the 7th House?Hope it's ok that I but in. I just learned that Venus in the 7th is a favorable placement, and then I read this thread so I thought I ask... IP: Logged |
Mystique
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posted January 21, 2003 07:49 PM
Hi Purple,
Sorry have not forgotten you but I am pressed for time...will try and help you where I can. His Uranus on your 7th cusp can be exciting and fun not necessarily disruptive...besides his Sun (your ideal man) conj to your VX shows a fated connection and he must love you with his Venus in your 7th...not sure how long you guys have been together, and I dont know your charts for more info. His Mars in your 9th again in terms of romance indicates he could be your ideal mate.
But as always if it feels good no matter what connections are go with it enjoy and have fun!
Sorry don't have more time now 
Love
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Bernadette1216
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posted January 21, 2003 08:40 PM
Hi Purple...well...I have lots of stuff in my 7th house...just for information sake, I shall list it all..Venus in the 7th house
Venus in Scorpio
Venus conjunct Mars
Venus opposition Saturn
Moon square Venus
Mercury sextile Venus
Venus sextile Midheaven and in the 9th house..Mercury in Capricorn.. IP: Logged |
Criterion
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posted January 21, 2003 09:47 PM
I think the marriage indicator might also be the 4th house. My seventh house ruler is saturn which is in 9th house(saggy) in my chart and my 4th(home) house is divided by scorpio and saggy. And I got married with a saggy and as saturn was the indicator it was an awfully difficult marriage. My 7th house is Aqua.IP: Logged |
Purpleflame
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posted January 21, 2003 10:14 PM
Bernadette, Oxychick and Criterion ..I am glad that this thread has caught your attention but I think there are critical places to look for the info. First, Your birthtime must be exact to know your 7th House cusp and its sign. Second, you need to take a close look at the sign and use the info you know of that sign to 'appraise' the type of marriage indicator it shows. I hope that some of our moderators will suggest some of their thoughts or what they know about this area.I would help you if I could but am a novice at this, too.
THANKYOU MYSTIQUE, I do think you sound very knowledgeable about these indicators so look forward on more of your most valuable feedback. I do agree that this man 'fits' nicely into my chart and hopefully we will be a go soon. My kids even think he is wonderful so will hope that we will be moving forward together in the near future.Love Flame Mystique, I also know that my Part of Marriage is at Cancer 3 which is conjunct his Venus Cancer 2 in my 7th house (actually very close to my 7th house cusp) That sounds kind of yummy to me.IP: Logged |
stella polaris
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posted January 22, 2003 04:10 AM
Hello Canada!
I just wanted to add some off my thoughts about this. The 7th house cusp can also indicate what kind of marriage you'll have. The cusp in Gemini might indicate that communication will be very important to you, for instance. And with his Uranus close to the cusp maybe unusual kind of communication - telepathic, for instance?
I have my 7th house cusp in Aqua (my husband's ascendant), ruled by unconventional, eccentric, freedom-loving Uranus, I guess that says something about my marriage...I also did a marriage of convenience once, typical Uranian. I have Jupiter in my 7th house which should be an indication of a happy marriage, and, as I read somewhere, because anything Jupiter touches is in excess, this can indicate several marriages. Also, Jupiter rules travels and my husband is not the first partner I've found abroad...Also I have the 9th house cusp in Taurus and Moon in the 9th house, which an astrologer I know
said was an indication that I'd find love on my travels...(Venus ruling the 9th house).
Bernadette and Oxychick: Neptun in the 7th house might indicate that you are attracted to men that you need to take care of, someone you feel sorry for. Watch out for drug addicts and alcoholists. It can also indicate that you fall in love or even marry a fantasy, and after a while you find out the person you fell in love with doesn't exist (don't blame him for changing, though, Neptun is in your chart..) On the positive side, it might show that you're attracted to or marry a man with a lot of imagination, he might be an artist, a poet, a dancer, a musician, a photographer, a film maker - anything that is ruled by Neptun.
Oxychick: The 7th house cusp in Sag might indicate that you marry a Sag or someone with a prominent Jupiter. In your marriage travels and philosophy might be important. Venus in Cap might indicate that you're attracted to ambitious men.
Purpleflame, is your 9th house cusp in Libra? And where are your Moons?
I mean to have read something about the 9th house also indicating your in-laws. Does anyone know something about that? I'll see if I can dig up my source.
Finally, Mars is supposed to show the lovers in a woman's chart. Does that mean that one should look at the first house, as well?
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Bissie
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posted January 22, 2003 01:59 PM
hello girls,Carol Rushman`s book- "The art of predictive astrology" - a very interesting book, and very easy to read, so if you are curiouse how to read your future thru your charts - read this book. Now what she says about marriages - she says that the number of one`s marriages is equal to the numbers of applying aspects your Sun makes in your natal chart. Sun for the girls and Moon for the boys. Check your Sun if you are female(or Moon if you are male). How many applying aspects it makes in your natal chart before leaving the sign? (Applying aspect is when the faster moving planet is moving toward an exact aspect with the slower moving planet.
For example - 15' Virgo Mercury trines 18'Cappy Venus and that aspect is applying because Mercury is the faster moving planet and is approaching Venus to an exact trine ....If your Sun is at 15' Aqua and your Saturn is at 12'Gemini - then this is a separating aspect because the faster moving Sun already had approached Saturn and is separating from it...)
Okay, back to the topic - so you have to check how many applying aspects your natal Sun makes OR was going to make before leaving the sign.
For example - your Sun is 10' Virgo. In your natal chart you have Venus at 14' Virgo, Jupiter at 15 Gemini and Saturn at 28' Virgo. So your Sun makes 3 applying aspects in your natal chart = 3 marriages. The first aspect is a conjunction to Venus - your fisrt husband will be a beautiful person, most likely a Libra or with heavy Libra in his chart, also very artsistic....
the second applying aspect of your natal Sun is square to Jupiter - so your second marriage will be with a Jupiterian person - a Saggy, a philosopher, a foreigner...you get the picture
the third applying aspect of your Sun before leaving the sign is a conjunction to Saturn (notice that it doesn`t matter whether the aspect is in or out of orb - in this case the Sun is conjunting Saturn at 18 degree but the author`s idea is of ANY applying aspect of Sun befire leaving the sign of Virgo so that one counts). So, the third marriage willl be a very seriouse one, to a Saturnian person, a Cappy or someone older then you....all saturnian qialities. If your Sun doesn`t make any applying aspects in your chart - that doesn`t mean you will never marry - it means that your marriage will be up to you and your own choice and when you marry - you may wonder what made you to do that choice, like "what the hell I am doing with this man " LOL Now I am not sure if that theory rings the thruth, but aside from Carol Rushman, the great british astrologer William Lilly first noticed a connection between the applying aspect of the Sun and the number of marriages in a female`s chart (Moon`s aspect for men)....but who knows. I still can`t prove it myself but maybe later in my life I will have a clue  Don`t forget to count ALL applying aspects of your Sun (Moon) - not just the ones oyu have in your natal wich are in orb of aspect but also the ones your Sun made before leaving the sign.
happy checking of your charts...I am sure now all of you is staring at your charts and hopelessly trying to count your Sun aspects LOL 
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Aphrodite
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posted January 22, 2003 02:44 PM
Great stuff Biss!From the sounds of this theory, I like my marriage/partnership prospects!  Aphrodite IP: Logged |
Bernadette1216
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posted January 22, 2003 04:12 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!! HEAD SPINS!!! I think I have ADD...I have the hardest time sometimes paying attention!!! Ok...let me look at my chart and stuff...oh this is truly one of the best topics ever discussed here!!my head just exploded...oh my lord...ok..please help..i'm reading ya, but not following very well...i'm an excitable Sag need I say more?? um..ok, i'm on astro.com...there are SO many charts..which one do i pick?? um, currently i'm looking at Chart Drawing Ascendant...
or do you look at the astroclick portrait? IP: Logged |
Bissie
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posted January 22, 2003 04:29 PM
hahaha Bernardette
just give me your birth detials and I`ll check it out for you later...
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Bernadette1216
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posted January 22, 2003 04:38 PM
*hugs Bissie* thanks!!hey, I've been looking...I did find this...I think this is what we are talking about ...but good day..I haven't a clue as to how to put this all together... Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Sagittarius 24°24'52 08/9 direct
Sun is technically near the end of house 8 and is interpreted in house 9.
Moon Leo 09°57'54 04/5 direct
Moon is technically near the end of house 4 and is interpreted in house 5.
Mercury Capricorn 13°34'42 09 direct
Venus Scorpio 14°16'31 07 direct
Mars Scorpio 06°24'38 07 direct
Jupiter Scorpio 24°33'59 07 direct
Saturn Taurus 16°36'27 01 retrograde
Uranus Libra 13°04'22 06 direct
Neptune Sagittarius 01°29'04 07/8 direct
Neptune is technically near the end of house 7 and is interpreted in house 8.
Pluto Virgo 29°37'57 06 direct
True Node Aquarius 25°20'39 11 retrograde
or...you can use this, December 16, 1970 at 1:55pm in Roanoke Virginia
I just recently found out that my birth time was NOT 1:58pm like I have thought all my life..it was in fact 1:55pm! IP: Logged |
Bissie
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posted January 22, 2003 05:38 PM
Bern,
looking at your chart now....
you only have 2 applying aspects to your Sun = 2 marriages.
the first aspect of your Sun is applying square to Pluto.the second aspect is to the Nodes at 25'Aqua/Leo. Rushman says about this one: "I usually consider only the applying aspects between the Sun/Moon with planets but I have seen the Sun in applying aspect to the Nodes indicate a strong karmic relationship/marriage, definitely a strong karmic tie". I am not sure wich of those two aspects is your first husband and which is your second husband; what are their signs? usually squares are stronger then trines so I guess Sun/Pluto aspect represent your firts husband and the "karmic" tie to the Nodes - represents your second husband.....but you only have 2 applying aspects to your Sun hey, I just noticed - you have a very afflicted natal Moon.
Do you have lots of "female" problems...especially with your reproductive organs?
Or the other side of the coin of afflicted Moon is heavy problems with the mother figure in one`s life, but that mostly apply for men...
gotta go now.....
I am sorry guys, I do NOT HAVE TIME to look at other`s charts so please, try to read your charts by yourself or I hope someone else here may help you out. IP: Logged |
poops
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posted January 22, 2003 05:47 PM
Hi all,
Wow, it looks as though you have another Saggi that is as curious as anything to try and understand all this Bissie,
I don't understand what is meant by "applying aspects" to ones sun, as when I look at all the aspects to my sun, it is mindblowing and extremely confusing. Nearly everything is aspecting my sun, so please help me here  If you have time, I would really appreciate it if you could explain what is "applying" to my sun, as I'm well and truly lost on that one.
18th Dec 1968 ( 4:45am) Melb~ Oz I hope you don't mind me jumping in here, but this is interesting to say the least. Thanks in advance...
Till next time
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Jaqueline
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posted January 22, 2003 05:53 PM
Hi Bissie  Could you do that for me too...pleaaaaase 
August/ 21/ 1962, 3:30 pm- Rio de Janeiro , Brazil. Love
Jakie 
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Jaqueline
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posted January 22, 2003 05:57 PM
Only now I saw the last sentence of your post...  IP: Logged |
Bissie
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posted January 22, 2003 06:04 PM
I am running late....can`t check anymore charts, sorry PoopsJakie, I have your chart saved in my PC so i took a quick look (besides your smooching smiley got me giggling hehehe)
your have Sun at a very late degree but surprisingly - you do have applying aspects - first is a conjunction (out of sign) to 0 degree Uranus - a hestic marriage with many ups and downs
second applying aspect is a sextille to 29'Gemini Mars 2 marriages for Jackie...
but hey, I am afraid I am looking like a fortune teller now...hehehe..not good...because as i said - I am not sure myself if this whole marriage theory really works leaving..won`t be able to look at any other charts  IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted January 22, 2003 06:20 PM
Thanks dear  As I already married twice...I think, now, it's party time...  Love 
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