posted April 19, 2003 02:59 PM              

Then it mentions the P/M is frequently a timer that indicates when marriage will take place, but then the author ends the paragraph.??? Here's the next Parag.: Your P/M will most often be conjunct with your mate's Sun, moon, ascendant, decendant, MC or IC(fouth house cusp) She has frequently found the P/M conjoin a partner's Saturn as well as other planets. You will also find some interesting conj. of this part with the mate's Parts of Fortune, Fascination, or Karma. None of the connections between P/M and another's chart placements guarantees a lasting union. Some divorce while others are life-long.

A connect. of P/M with another's chart triggers a strong impulse to marry even though the marriage does not make sense to outside observers --age differences, different types, etc. She used celebrity examples who had planets conjunct their P/M and told why it did not last long. Then she mentioned how Paul Newman's P/M is conjunct Joanne woodward's Descendant and her PofM is conjunct his Descendant.

The author mentioned that in her research of conjunctions of the Part of Marriage to the angles of the chart - Ascendant, Descendant, Midheaven, or IC were most often seen. Next in frequency were aspects to other's suns. However, aspects to the other's Saturn were surprisingly strong. Another type of conjunction whe found in long-lasting happy unions was Part of Marrige conjuct the mate's fifth hous cusp.

She goes on to explain another important link---that one's Part of Fascination and the other's Sun, Moon or other important planet can indicate when marriage takes place. (I think she uses "when" not in a timely "this is the date that it will happen" sense but in a sense that it will occur.) She then offers a section on Part of Karma. It is not found in signif. conj. to a mate's planets or points as frequently as the Arabic Parts mentioned above. You need to check other karmic connections she discusses later.

The P/K is Ascendant plus Saturn minus the Sun. The most frequent karmic ties is the woman's P/K to her mate's sun. Also, connections between ones' P/K and mate's planet. Third most often seen is connection of P/K to a point in the other's chart - Midheaven, Vertex, south node...One special relationship is when both parts of karma are close to the same degree of the zodiac.

nodal indications are also a factor. Your south node sign and house indicated where you must give or sacrifice. The Duke of Windsor had SN Libra eigth house - gave up a kingdon to marry the woman he loved. she recommentd the book Lunar Nodes"New Concepts published by the Amer. Fed of Astrol. In Tempe, Arizona. She has seen conjuct. with SN and the other's moon, P/Fortune and Karma are the two noted most often. Of cusps - a person;s SN and the othr's IC.

Also a person's Vertex conjunct to Neptune, the sun, moon and venus is fated union. Other tests for karmic ties are moon conjuct other's IC Moon conjunct other IC ruler, ruler of one moon is conjunct the other IC ruler, and fourth- the ruler of one moon is conjunct the other IC.

Finally, she mentions that marriage time can be made by adding your age to the degree of the natal P/M. The year that it makes an imortant aspect to a love planet or 7th house ruler can be a marriage year - this does not work well in some charts.She mentions it works better from progressed and converse charts. Use your progresse and converse ascendants, descendants and places fo venus instead of the natal degrees.

posted September 25, 2005 04:37 PM              

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posted October 01, 2005 09:32 PM            

This is the site for his calculator, but what I don't understand is which one to use. There's:

* Marriage
* Marriage of woman 1 & 2
* Marriage of man 1 & 2

posted October 01, 2005 10:04 PM              

And you will see a selection box. You can select it there.

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted October 02, 2005 04:00 AM              

I don't get the add your age to the part of marriage to know when you are getting married part! What if I read it when i am 18, then 23, then 26? What age is referred to?

Also, the fated unions part, Neptune, sun, moon or venus conjunct vertex. Interesting but is it fated for the PLANET person or the VERTEX person?! I mean it is sort of your neptune on my vertex making it a dreamy sort of union but what is my vertex doing to your neptune? lol It is the same for all aspects I guess, the Moon IC, who feels the fatedness more? Anyone...? Also, what is the difference between MOON and MOON RULER and IC and IC Ruler?

posted October 20, 2008 02:46 PM              

i think it is

cause think of what are the odds of that?very tiny indeed and yet..you found someone whose P.O.M exact cj yours!

On my part i have my POM cj his Karma and his POM cj my Jup and Uranus.

posted February 05, 2011 06:52 AM            

Is this a bad aspect to have since my Part of Marriage 8° 44' Libra is in my 8th house?

posted February 19, 2011 09:34 AM              

we find that there are often multiple lists showing different parts with the same names.
That alone is confusing.

"The problem is that many astrologers today do not even use the parts. They were invented centuries ago, popularized by Arabic astrologers.....but not a lot of research has been done to test them in the modern world. Why? Because a large number of astrologers do not see them as logical, and also because there are so many other real bodies that can be put in a chart (Sun, Moon, Planets, Centaurs, Asteroids) that many astrologers see no need to add additional items to the chart that are not real bodies but only based on a mathematical formula."

"till, there 'may' be some truth to the parts. Astrologers, such as Robert Zoller of Project Hindsight, have been doing serious research on these parts.(Robert has probably the best book based on this research: The Arabic Parts in Astrology- A Lost Key to Prediction (Inner Traditions International, Ltd )).

Which part of marriage is significant (if, indeed, parts are
significant)? Even the experts like Robert Zoller and Robert Hand are not sure." Robert Hand lists the following:

Lot of Marriage, Men [Hermetic]
Day or Night Lot = Asc. + Ve - Sa

Lot of Marriage, Women [Hermetic]
Day or Night Lot = Asc. + Sa - Ve

Lot of Marriage, Men [Valens]
Day or Night Lot = Asc. + Ve - Su

Lot of Marriage, Women [Valens]
Day or Night Lot = Asc. + Ma - Mo

Lot of Marriage, General
Day Lot = Asc. + Ve - Ju
Night Lot = Asc. + Ju - Ve

posted February 19, 2011 09:35 AM              

"In Al-Biruni, an Arab era astrologer, the two lots attributed to Hermes are simply referred to as lots of marriage. But the other two lots, the one for men and the one for women, are given additional designations. The lot for the marriage of men using the Venus - Sun arc is called "Trickery and Deception of Men toward Women," and "Intercourse of Men." The lot for women that uses the Mars - Moon arc is called "Misconduct of Women," "Trickery and Deceit of Men by Women," "Intercourse of Women, " and "Unchastity of Women." Disregarding for a moment the obvious sexism in these designations, it is quite clear that the marital lots of Valens are not as specifically connected to marriage, but are more connected to sexual relationships in general. But the Hermetic lots, both of which contain Saturn, seem to have more of a connection specifically to legally sanctioned marriage. At this very early stage in my research this principle seems to be holding up, that the Hermetic lots relate to legal marriage, and the lots of Valens relate to male-female sexual relationships in general.

This leaves the general lot of marriage given by Valens that uses the arc from Jupiter to Venus and vice versa. It have little experience with this one thus far, but it too would seem to be connected to general relations between the sexes rather than specifically legal marriage. However, since Jupiter has a strong connection with the law, we cannot rule out this lot also as referring to legal marriage."