posted January 13, 2004 01:13 PM            

yes, the program I used is from Astro Communications, and they use wide orbs, 10 degrees for all major aspects. My astrology teacher used them too...but I know there are disagreements about that.

My only arguement for letting it stand, is that in composite, there are three planets linked together tightly, Sun, Venus and something in between--but I'm not looking at the chart right now, can't recall.

posted January 13, 2004 10:41 PM              

What do you want to know about Chiron. I've looked into it a little bit and it's very interesting to me.

.gloria

posted January 14, 2004 08:33 PM            

.gloria, were you addressing that to me or to lioneye? Wasn't sure...

So just in case, my Chiron is Pisces, 7th house...his is in Aries, 7th house.

posted January 14, 2004 10:32 PM              

Chiron was only discovered in 1977. I don't think Magi society is claiming to have known this for 700 years or anything like that. As far as I know, they are the only Astrology group that has really taken an indepth look at Chiron in terms of compatibility, which makes it's hard to find any other info about it, either to confirm their theories or to negate them.

I'd like to see charts of couples who have spent many years together happily in love with each other, and see how Chiron is aspected between them (or not)

posted January 14, 2004 11:44 PM              

Chiron in Aries

The sense of self has been violated in some way, manifesting in feelings of worthlessness, and/or that nothing is ever quite good enough. The lessons of Chiron here are in learning to assert yourself and to take appropriate action or initiative to remedy the situation - appreciate yourself and others for who they are. Easier said than done, as you can tend to be self sabotaging in your thought patterns. Remember your thoughts are powerful - you reap what you put out.

Make a list of areas in your life in which you do feel worthy. Identify your true value and how that value serves you and others. Don't stop listing until your heart opens to loving yourself. Also list the ways in which other's "bad" treatment of you has helped you to learn how to assert yourself and to value yourself more. Again, keep listing until your heart opens to them, and to yourself, for experiencing the lesson.
Chiron's gift is the acknowledgement of your true worth, loved for who you are inside. The Universe loves you just for being who you are. Strive to live truly.

Chiron in the Seventh House

There is usually a feeling that you cannot relate to others properly - relationships seem to go wrong no matter how hard you try. Blame, or projection, mirroring and defensiveness are important issues for you to deal with, and the harmony and peace that you ardently desire seems to be constantly disrupted by others or yourself. You may fear that you will never find the 'right' person.

You will learn much through your relationships, and most particularly, the fact that your sense of individuality does not depend upon whether or not others like it. Your trials and tribulations will lead you to develop good counselling and arbiting skills.

To realise your own potentials here, try making a list - an honest appraisal if you will - of the 'positive' things that you have given others in relationships. Keep listing until your heart opens. For each of the perceived 'failures', list the benefits, lessons, gifts that resulted from them, for others and for yourself. For all the times when peace was disrupted, list the benefits to you and others when this was so. Also, make a short list of attributes of a perfect partner for you. Then, for each one, list the ways in which you have these attributes in you.

Chiron's gift here lies in the realisation that you are whole as you are, and an appreciation that independence and dependence are inseparable and always equally balanced.

Chiron in Pisces
With this Chiron placement, we can be at odds with ourselves. The sign of the fishes depicts two fish (dualism) yoked together and swimming in opposite directions. Deception, emotional manipulation and genuine transcendental experiences can potentially weave together in confusion. Piscean sensitivity to undercurrents is an issue, and as a result, we can lose our individuality and can experience a wound of grief through a loss of faith in the Universe.

List the ways in which you feel that the Universe has betrayed you and then for each one list the ways in which these events or circumstances have served you or others. What lessons of love were given by it and learned through it? Everything in the Universe is an act of love - it is just that sometimes you don't recognise the form that love takes. Also, look at what you are doing in your life now, and list the ways in which the past 'betrayals' of the Universe have helped you to get there. There are no 'accidents' in life.

Chiron's gift here lies in your ability to acknowledge and re-embrace the of divinity, the guiding hand, the Master Plan. To open your heart once more to love and the Creator. To see that all things that happen in life serve to teach compassion and love.

posted January 15, 2004 08:36 AM              

Chiron in the Tenth House:

Manifests in a difficulty in setting and achieving goals, or finding our niche in society. There is also the possibility that we may be living up to parental expectations to achieve where they have failed - carrying other's burdens is often a theme, particularly that of the mother. Feelings of inadequacy and that you are not acknowledged for your true worth can also be issues.

If these themes are manifesting in your life, try listing the ways in which you are acknowledged and appreciated by others. Also, make a list of what you believe your value is. Acknowledge your value. Then for each instance where you feel that you are not valued, recognised or heard, list the ways in which this has helped you to value, recognise and hear yourself.

Chiron's special gift here is the acknowledgement of your own value. To recognise yourself and where your gifts lie. To listen and hear the messages of your own heart, see your special place in the Universe, and to help others do the same.

My whole life has been about finding my place as an "orphan" child of the universe inspiring people on a GLOBAL basis.

From what I've seen so far, I think there is a lot of validity to it. As for Magi, I've studied what's said about Chiron quite well, and I think there is something do it.

I see Chiron as the place we need to heal, or the problem which never seems to go away. It's different from Saturn, Pluto or Neptune, speaking for a unique part of our psyche.

.gloria

posted January 03, 2005 02:49 PM              

I have also seen a lot of Neptune Opposite Venus or the Square in passionate head over heels love affairs, but do they last?

Trillian, I do not know about the composite to be honest, since it's rarely interpreted accurately. For example a sun square jupiter is usually interpreted to mean distance. But it can mean distance in values, distance in philosophies, and distance because of legalities. Everything 9th house. It can also mean living in different countries, and having to immigrate, or it could mean one person constantly travels, or needs space in the relationship.

I had this aspect with my ex fiance in Australia and he and I flew back and forth to be with each other for a long time, it was very serious. But we had too much in the way of red tape, and also his mother didn't like me! But it didn't bother me to try, as i get older I find relationships like this are less difficult as long as the distance isn't caused by work. By one person giving up their work for the other, the relationship does work.

I have seen that time and time again, one has to make the compromise. But astrologers always say the same thing, which is, you are picking someone you can't have and it wont' work.

For some of us with strong Jupiterian traits, such as Sag rising and Jupiter trine Sun, we need the philosophy of other cultures. My Mars in Sag too likes to travel. Plus My Sun trine Uranus and Uranus aspecting Ascendant and other planets, just will not allow me to stay put.

If I saw a chart like mine, I would say this person has no problem breaking through boundaries, and red tape, and likes to travel and work for different companies.

So chances are I will meet many more men with the square, and I don't see how looking at the composite can help unless the astrologer has personal knowledge and has an open mind. Astrologer read everyone elses interpretations, and do not usually use their own.

I like to break down that barrier and go by intuition and lifestyle choices first then look at the composite, because it causes me to be prejuidiced, that's a 9th house trait too, seeing the big picture.

The aspects are never negative or positive, but they can be very negative for certain people. I have to look at the aspects and the composite. But the composite only talks about the feel of the relationship, and where it's headed, not the personality of the people or the quality of the relationship.

The composite is the product of the time spent together, but it can be very good and still only say you get along. Even in synastry each aspect has to be compared to the needs of the individual. I hope this makes sense and isn't too contrary to your opinions, I do not mean to provoke. Instead I like to break down the barriers around standard interpretations, and I think astrologers use composites too often for a "quickie".

I am seriously considering counselling others in astrology, identity crisis, and hypnotherapy.

posted January 03, 2005 05:19 PM              

You're right, it IS difficult to find GOOD interpretations for Chiron. Here, knock yourself out! :::

http://home.iprimus.com.au/gjdemontfort/Chiron.htm

posted January 03, 2005 06:53 PM            

Natasha, I am by no means an expert on this topic but I agree with you after having probed my composite chart for a few days about it showing the feeling in a relationship and you get a sense of whether to pursue it even further or not (of course trust your heart & intuition along with this!). My boyfriend and I also have that composite Venus opposite Neptune aspect you mentioned though we both natally have a Venus trine Neptune. There are other aspects towards our composite Neptune that are negative, but as separate individuals and in our synastry, they're perfectly fine...so I'm thinking of just working with our this planet based on our individuality and give each other the space when it comes to this planet's qualities.

I agree with you on the compromise. That shows maturity on each person's part, I think anyway. Without compromise in the relationship, all the negative power struggles or whatnot can come out. Compromise is key, but both have to want it enough...not one or the other.

posted January 15, 2010 10:24 AM            

My dob. 05/25/59 (about 1:30am)
His dob 06/07/1966 (about 9:00am)

Are there any problems I should be aware of, are they serious or not.

posted March 09, 2010 03:18 AM            

Sun conj Venus in 10H
Sun trine Saturn
Moon conj Mars in 11H

I'm not sure what else would even be notable or relevant. Sun conj Venus seems to be a popular one in romantic relationships.

posted March 11, 2010 05:43 AM            

[sun/merc/jup conjunction(8H)]trine saturn(1H)
venus(8H)sext moon(6H)
mars/pluto(9H)square saturn
mars sext uranus/nept(11H)
asc conj saturn
asc sq pluto/mars
asc trine jupe/merc

sun/moon midpoint=saturn(150)
scorpio sun
leo moon
aqua asc

we've a very uranian/nept synastry but fortunately the composite doesn't include any such aspect
his sun trine my uran/nept
my moon trine his uran/nept
his venus quincunx my uran/nept
his mars/jupe sq my uran/nept

posted March 11, 2010 04:02 PM            

Moon in 7th house

Mars conjunct Jupiter (third house)
Jupiter sextile Venus
Venus square pluto

Moon sextile neptune
Moon sextile Uranus
Moon sextile Saturn