posted October 16, 2004 12:52 PM              

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Moon in Capricorn
Moon in Capricorn is one of the least desirable positions. Key word is Management. The chief characteristics are lack of sympathy, innate selfishness and self-preoccupation. The natives have an earthy practicality, giving dependence and a sense of responsibility towards those around them. These people could be loyal and unswerving when eventually give their heart to someone else, and would stick around when others have given up. They have dignity and tenacity and a realistic vision of the world as it really is, not as others expect it to be. Sun-in-Virgo-Moon-in-Capricorn is said to be the most practical of all Soli-Lunar combinations.

The natives display reverence and concentration of mind. The mind of the native is generally very keen, acute, active, far-seeing, and given to plotting and scheming. With a rapid mental response, they are all-comprehensive and somewhat antagonistic. Moon in Capricorn foreshadows defeated ambitions and dreams, misfortunes at the hands of women, occupational and financial troubles, credit difficulties and all sorts of other misfortunes. The Moon here bestows something formidable, a hint of arrogance, air of dignity, a lust for power and recognition and a craving for financial power. The Native does not encourage others taking liberties with, or seeking to approach him/her on too intimate terms. The Moon in Capricorn is said to be better for a man while women with this placement can turn off most men. The Moon in Capricorn favors positions of executive, administrative, public and organizational positions and commercial pursuits.

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I have never been offended by astrology in my life, I can usually manage at least a chuckle at my less than desirable traits being described, but this interpretation really... OFFENDED ME! It's struck me as sort of a misogynistic, hateful interpreation of Cappy Mooners, of which I am one! I am not scheming and plotting! I couldn't scheme and plot to save my life! I have great bloody credit! Did this person have their heart-broken by a conniving, gold-digging Cappy Mooner once and now they are out to smear us all and warn the rest of you... I don't know! I just thought it would be interesting to post since I have never seen such a negative interpretation in my life like this one, after all doesn't every aspect have it's Yin and Yang, good and bad traits... A BALANCE? Humpf.

posted October 16, 2004 02:41 PM              

Aquarian Girl -

You DO realize you are reading a Vedic interpretation, eh? If you do not feel comfortable, stick with Western astrology. I've been dabbling in Vedic here and there, but I have to stick with Western.

My friend Mr. L (Libra) has a Cappy Moon, and if you've read my posts, I'm head over heals in love. I've got at least 8 different interpretations of "Moon in Capricorn" saved on my hard drive.

Apparently, my Moon in Cancer being in it's natural place, is good for Cappy Mooner, that placement being in it's Detriment (or Fall), since they are opposites. But combined by two people, it's a different story.

posted October 16, 2004 04:22 PM              

Anyhow, Cap is a difficult and very vulnerable position for the moon, nonetheless. It is consider, in some systems, to be its "fall" - where the planet would face the most difficulty due to the sign placement. While the above interpretation is rather harsh, many of the things it points out I have seen in experience and studying. Since some of these problems are quite serious and could potentially afflict an individual deeply, it's worth taking seriously and not being so stubbornly dismissive of them simply because you don't like to hear it or you don't see those trait in yourself. I myself, have moon square Mercury, and in many interps they say this inclines someone to lying and deciet, which I don't find flattering at all. But the truth is, while I may not be a liar due to how that square balances out with other aspects, there are many MANY cases of people with similar moon-merc squares that are. So I can't deny the potential is there.

I would, however, disagree with the idea that this is a better placement for men than women. I have found the opposite to be true, as women are more inclined to seek help and talk about issues than men. Men with Cap moons tend to harbor their issues (as earth signs are want to do), and rumiante excessively (as Cap is want to do) over them into they become neurotic or depressed. Alcoholism, chronic depression and suicide/suicidal ideation have been attributed to Cap moon. Here's a short list of (in)famous Cap moons I posted on another forum, to illustrate why I think any astrologer should be mindful of this placement's potential for emotional and psychological trouble:

Ernest Hemingway (Cancer Sun, Cap moon): shy as a child; pathological liar who "dressed up" his stories to impress others because he was afraid of being seen as mediocre; made many exaggarated attempts to prove his "manhood" to others; hated his mother; very insecure with women; unstable relationships; alcoholic/depressive; committed suicide

Johnny Depp (Gemini Sun, Cap moon): very shy when young; not particularly outgoing now; admits to strugging with his "demons"; long history of hard drug abuse, heavy drinking, reckless behavior, and self-injuring; said in interviews that he hopes one day to understand why he's so messed up; history of unstable realtionships; has poor self image and is uncomfortable that fans find him attractive

Adolf Hitler (Taurus Sun, Cap moon): shy and insecure as a youngster; paranoid; delusional; morbid phobias about being persecuting and misjudged; afraid of being mediocre; so afraid that it would be revealed that he was part Jewish he had his own hometown bombarded to destroy all birth records; hated his parents; neurotically insecure about his sexuality and public image; drug addict/depressive; committed suicide (and of course, he was obsessed with his "career" and with power)

James Hetfield (of the band Metallica - Leo Sun, Cap moon): painfully shy and insecure as a child and young adult; severe long-time alcoholic/depressive; problems with accepting his parents and himself; admitted to using manipulative behavior to avoid his own feelings (also, has admitted to being so obsessed with his career that is has severly hurt his emotional state and his relationships)

Stuart Adamson (formerly of the band Big Country - Aries Sun, Cap moon): shy and awkward; obsessed with "proving" himself with success; chronic alcoholic/depressive - his drinking destroyed his career; committed suicide

Henry Rollins (formerly of tha band Black Flag, now spoken word artist - Aquarius Sun, Cap moon): painfully shy and insecure as a child; deeply alienated from his parents; angry, hostile; admits to being unable to have healthy relationships and being uncomfortable in social situations; admitted to suffering from depression and having contemplated suicide in the past, (also, in his writings, demonstrates obsession iwth being successful and frustration over not being more "influential")

posted October 16, 2004 05:26 PM              

I DID mention long ago that you'd have to be insane to love this man, right?

posted October 16, 2004 05:39 PM              

Here's example's of other Sag's with Cappy Moons :::

Ozzy Osbourne

Whoooops! Maybe I should just forget about this and turn back now ...

The Comedians -
Sam Kinison
Richard Pryor
Ray Romano

The Spacey People -
Arthur C. Clarke
Daryl Hannah

The Actors -
Brad Pitt
Benjamin Bratt
Kim Basinger

The Musicians -
Tina Turner
Nelly Furtado

posted October 16, 2004 06:11 PM              

which is another difficult placement,

I prefer Cap moon to Gemini Moon,
especially today after talking to my ex (Gem Moon, Gem Rising)

posted October 16, 2004 11:27 PM            

Besides, I refuse to believe these awesome people that I know from this web-site alone, represent even a small fraction of that negative 'endorsement'.
Trillian, Aphrodite, Juniperb too, right? Me.... that's alot of frankly, good peeps with this placement.. and I do believe that speaks for itself.

posted October 17, 2004 01:05 AM              

"Since some of these problems are quite serious and could potentially afflict an individual deeply, it's worth taking seriously and not being so stubbornly dismissive of them simply because you don't like to hear it or you don't see those trait in yourself"

I agree that no one should be stubbornly dissmissive with anything in general, because all descriptions and all points of view are worth taking into consideration. That being said though, I'm sure that I could find just as many deranged psychopats or shy/afflicted personalities with other moons. I don't think one placement is the beggining and end all of a chart and I don't think one chart is the beggining or end all of a person. Linda's always said astrology is 70%..The remaining 30% is still a high percentage in my mind.

Now for my Capricorn moon, i can see the bad effects of it. It does make me shy sometimes and I feel out of place, maybe cause of the Sun/Moon square as well. But it isnt something that means anything at all in my life. So I get shy now and then , so what? I mean it isnt something that bothers me to a high degree. That's basically the only bad traits of IT i see in myself.

I'm never cold. I couldn't be cold if I tried. I always let all my friends and ppl close to me know that I care about them. I've never been someone to hide my emotions or plot and scheme like this particular interpretation says. I do think about situations in advance and I like figuring out different outcomes so I'm prepared for both a good and a bad outcome, maybe that's being cautious but I see it as a good thing.

"lack of sympathy, innate selfishness and self-preoccupation"

Personally, I can't speak for all Cappy Mooners but I have never had a lack of sympathy for someone or an innate selfishness. I'm always the one out of my friends who they know they can call at 3 am if their in a bad situation and need help or need someone to talk to.

"Moon in Capricorn foreshadows defeated ambitions and dreams, misfortunes at the hands of women, occupational and financial troubles, credit difficulties and all sorts of other misfortunes"

If anyhing I've always been lucky. The first and only time I walked into a casino I won $200. It's that kind of luck..that just happens to me for some reason. I've always been lucky in my career and what I want to do as well. I haven't had any misfortunes at the hands of any women.

As for famous people... Johnny Depp might be shy, I'm not sure but he has a lot of charisma and I'm pretty sure he'd like having girls all over him. He doesn't seem to me like someone who'd mind that. In his career I think his been lucky enough..I mean, his famous.

Sarah Jessica Parker, won like 4 emmy's or something for "Sex and the City". I'm pretty sure she'd feel accomplished and she doesnt exactly fit the psycho serial killer bill to me.

Kate Hudson, also has a Cappy Moon and she doesn't exactly seem shy or cold or introverted. She actually seems the opposite of that.

posted October 17, 2004 11:38 AM              

I really like his Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus all conjunct in the 2nd in Taurus opposite the Scorpio placements.

I think his Sun in Sag and PIsces Ascendant gave him compassion and empathy, which made him funny. I like Mercury in Scorpio too.

I much prefer Moon in Cap with some water or fire elements hanging around.

The Moon in Capricorn gives understanding and empathy, but it's just not on the surface. It's real, and Moon in Capricorn wants to work hard and have what others have.

The Moon in Capricorn can be easily led by others, which can be good or bad, it's who you associate with that matters.

posted October 17, 2004 12:11 PM              

At the very least, you know you're not alone with being given that description, hehe. I have this placement too.

I am at an internet cafe right now, so don't have a lot of time to type out a longer post. But . . . I do have to admit that some of the descriptions from the above list celebrities rings right about me too.

Particularly the shy stuff.

posted October 17, 2004 08:45 PM            

Aries here, with Cappy Moon. I love my Cappy moon, it keeps me grounded. Perhaps, as some have suggested here, I am lucky because my moon is exactly conjunct (within a few minutes) my Jupiter, and creates an out-of-element grand trine with my sun and Leo rising.

...but that leads me to my point. Though I can't dispute their use as a learning tool, any time a description isolates one aspect of a chart and uses the generalization as a definition, you enter murky wates. Nothing in any chart can exist as a singularity. The moon interacts with all the other pieces and parts of the whole chart.

We all know the first rule: Astrology indicates, it does not compel.

Now, I'm going to use a singularity myself to illustrate another point. As far as Adolf Hitler, he had SAturn in the 10th house, which is often recognized as a placement that can make a person as mean as they come. We can't lay it all on his Cappy moon.

I am ambitious and work towards success. I am not ruthless. I don't even play chess because I hate plotting and scheming. I take responsibility for myself and my mistakes. I always try to give credit where credit is due. I am very loyal to those whom I love. I attribute many of my good traits to my Cappy moon, as I am sure others here do, too.

Look at people like Aphrodite and Randall, who are wise and peace-loving. Our pixelpixie is a Scorp with Cappy moon, and her joie de vivre lifts the spirits of so many here, including me.

posted October 18, 2004 08:50 PM              

I'm learning to love my Cappy moon, heheh.

posted October 18, 2004 11:33 PM              

When I looked at his chart, and saw his cappy moon I asked him directly "Does your mother wear the pants in the family?" to which he replied "Yes she does."