posted January 21, 2005 08:28 AM              

Yes, I think that's true. Geminis and Sags, on the other hand, can tend towards more obsessional-type behaviours.

Fixed Signs can also suffer from protracted depression (we're talking decades here)

AriesTiger
Moon/Venus/Jupiter in Pisces
Mars & Saturn in Gemini
Neptune in Sagittarius
Ascendent in Virgo

posted January 21, 2005 10:53 AM              

And I'd think the Mutables have an easier time of EXPRESSING their troubled feelings, whereas Fixed would not, and it's not good to hold it all in. Someone with a lot of Cardinals may also find it difficult to take a backseat to things.

posted January 24, 2005 11:41 AM              

Wanna have a looksee at the chart of someone who is Bi Polar with Psychotic episodes?

posted January 24, 2005 01:54 PM              

quote:

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Eep! Chiron opposing Uranus!!

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I doubt this aspect can be solely blamed - it is a generational thing. It takes 84.07 Earth years for Uranus and ca 50 years to orbit the sun.

posted January 24, 2005 04:59 PM              

My apologies.

I didn't want to imply that something was wrong with your assessment. Just tried to go it on from what you said.

'More knowledable' comment was meant in genaral. It seems most of us her are in the stage of learning rather than teaching. I sure am learning and have little to teach. Just wish somebody of those here who know more, had time to share what they can tell from that chart.

posted January 26, 2005 03:35 PM              

Postpartum Depression can be tough. I got pretty low after my second child was born... Ok... no. I totally lost my mind for a little minute. I cried all the time, I didn't need a reason. I was very short and irritable with my husband. Once... I don't even remember what he did, but... I was changing a pee'd diaper and whatever it was made me so angry that I smacked him with the dirty diaper across the back several times. Diaper fluff went EVERYWHERE.

Once I started getting regular sleep I began to feel a lot better.

Don't forget to take time for YOU. It's easy to get lost in the role of MOMMY.

posted January 27, 2005 11:19 AM              

How do you get on with Aquarian's & Sagittarian's?

Sorry to hear about your challenges. Would not have known had you not said anything, which might mean you are closer to "normal" than you may think ...

posted January 28, 2005 04:02 PM              

I have seen this alot too

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~*~ Cusp: Gemini/Cancer, Cancer rising, Taurus moon ~*~

posted February 01, 2007 11:50 AM              

Ive a sun/neptune conjunction and have in the past suffered from depression...

posted February 01, 2007 11:52 AM              

susie3g and sueg

posted February 01, 2007 11:58 PM            

susie3g and sueg

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Too many. My head swirls... Ahhh. Seeing double. Make.it.stop....doublemintdoublemint *screams and runs away*

*comes back*

posted February 03, 2007 11:29 PM              

I remember the actor. I wasn't a fan - what got me interested is he stands out to me, from what his friends were saying about his behavior and his suicide, as a tragic case of undiagnosed bi-polar. Ofcourse, because I've done a lot of work with mental illness and astrology, I ran to the PC afterwars to get his data and draw up a chart.

Yeah, even without the exact birth time and using noontime (although Leo rising seems to me a very good guess for his ASC anyhow), several things said out:

Trying to identify mental illness from a birth chart requires a pretty intimate familiarity with that mental illness. Let's just say that one way or another, I'm intimately familiar with vaious mental illnesses.

Bipolar is unique, and tends to stands out. First off, it's cyclic. It is an disease of extreme highs and lows. It *used* to be called "manic depression" but has long be renamed bipolar disorder (manic depression is no longer a clincal term). Bipolar manifests in behavior that ranges from obsession/compulsion, to severe deepression, to psychosis. People with bipolar hide the symptoms their disease under various masks - from brazen bravado, exurbrient confience or extreme individuality (to mask the mania) to pssaive-aggression, withdrawal and substance abuse (to mask the depression). Some people with bipolar are very resistent to getting help, and often do a distrubingly good job at convincing other people that they are fine, happy, that this it just their "quirky" personality.

It has a number of symptoms which seem to overlap with this of that other disorder, but ONLY with bipolar do you finds these symptoms in regular, even cyclic COMBINATION.

The "cycle" aspect is key. For astrology, one first looks at the moon. Brandis has moon conjunct Pluto (extrreme moods, intense emotions), which is a highly unstable aspect. The moon's sensitivity is highly reactive to Pluto's intensity. Even in mentally healthy people, this is a challenging aspect. Brandis was know as a person of intense emotion He could be very inspiring, energetic, confident but also very defiant, argumentative and sullen. Those traits alone don't indicate BD, but his chart doesn't stop there.

Brandis has this moon-Pluto aspect severely afflicted, and part of a difficult T-square. On the other sided of the opposition is Venus, and Mars is the apex. Brandis was a volcano of emotional chaos and inner confusion, which escalated with age, as his Martian ego drive sand Venusian need for intimacy became more manifest. Mars is one of the worst planets to have as a t-sqaure apex, because of it's irascability - all that tension looking for an outlet through Mars is like giving a pitbull cocaine. Make things worse - his Mars is in Cancer. Cancer doesn't allow Mars the direct expression it needs. So that's added frustration and confusion.

It is definitely clear that once into young adulthood Brandis felt lost and confused by his sudden change in fortunes as a TV actor, and his behavior is markedly like that of an afflicted Cancer MArs native. This confusion apparently triggered a long string of erratic behavior - times when Brandis was intensely creative and "visionary" to other times when he drank heavily and frustrated his friends with manipualtive or irresponsible behavior. This is classic bipolar behavior, and given his age, it's a typical age for this disorder to begin manifesting more aggressively too.

NOTE: difficult Cancer placements of personal planets are common in the bipolar charts I've seen. Cancer Sun and Mars are the too most common. These difficult Cancer placements are usually couple with an afflicted moon = this seems to ties into the cyclic nature of BD. Brandis has both of these.

Brandis also has Uranus afflicting Mercury - this is indictive of an intense, "brightly burning" yet highly unstable psyche. Jupiter is conjunct Merc as well- there's an expansion in all direction - expansion in intellect, in vision, in creativity, and in instability. Regrettably - and I don't say this very often about anyone, certainly not of someone who would be still alive - this is a "ticking timebomb" sort of aspect. Something had to give eventually. And sadly for him, it did and the results where "great" in Jupiter's fashion - that is, utterly tragic. Bear in mind here that Jupiter is associated with death - I see this Merc-Jupiter opposing Uranus as a indicating that his dedath are directly linked to his unstable psyche. Also his death was very sudden (thanks to Uranus).

I also suspect that his moon=Pluto conjunction factor into his death, givent he emotional turmiol his was experiencing at the time:

There was something one of his friends said about his just prior to his death - she said Brandis was complaining about needing to get his head "straight" as though his thinking and moods had become very confused and overwhelming. He had just come back from a filming job that should have been a big ego boost, but afterwards, he appeared to have "crashed" instead. This is not uncommon for people with BD. They run very high and then crash sudden, leaving them mentally disoriented and emotionally overwhelmed. It seems this lead to a drinking binge and his sudden choice to kill himself.

Very sad indeed.

posted February 03, 2007 11:56 PM              

My friend D has the difficult Cancer placement + afflicted moon too. He has Cancer Sun quincunx Aqua moon. D's moon's not in hard aspect with Pluto liek Brandis, but it is in hard aspect to both Venus and Mars. D's Mars is in a more Mars-friendly sign - Leo. While D has his fair share of Martian challenges, at least with this placement he doesn't experience that kind of "blockage" as Brandis' Cancer Mars.

D's Mercury is conjunct Uranus - this has a similar "brightening yet destablizing" influence on the psyche as Brandis' Merc opposed Uranus, but it's not as problematic. One it's a conjunction so there's not that constant dichotomy of polarity going on. Second, Jupiter's not in the mix, "expanding" that instability.

D's Mercury is squared Neptune - hard Neptune aspects can indicate mental illness (while I didn't mention this above, Brandis' Neptune quincunx that difficult Mars).

While D's Pluto does fall in his 4th, ruled by Cancer. So there's another Cancer/moon link. His Pluto aspects Neptune, which is afflicting his Mercury. This a lot less intense that Brandis' Moon-Pluto conjunction, but it would add some Pluto intesity to that Neptune-Merc aspect.

D has indicators of his BD that parallels the indicators I see in brandis' chart. However, the big difference is that for D these in combination are much easier to cope with than what's in Brandis' chart. That's good for my friend, but very unfortunate for Brandis.

NOTE: What I pointed out here is not the "be all, end all" on indicators of BD in charts. While I have found a common theme among the selection of charts I've persoanlly looked at, this doesn't excluded the possibilties of other combination of aspect that could yeild the same result. See the chart LibraSparkle posted above - I had commented on that chart in anoteh thread a while back. That is a highly unstable person - I'm not sure if bipolar covers all her problems. However, she doesn't have a difficult placement in Cancer.

BTW, while D does have Gem rising, I failt o see how that has any significant impact on whether one has BD or not. I do not see ASC having that profound effect on teh psyche unless it's intensely aspecting the moon or Mercury. D does have Merc sextile ASC, but that's both harmonious and rather weak, so I don't think that's big factor..

posted February 04, 2007 12:13 AM              

You have Sag moon conjunct Neptune which may indicate a lack of psychological resiliency and past trauma. Depression and anxiety likely stem from this. People who lack psychological resiliency have difficulty "bouncing back" from trauma or other life difficulties. Sometimes, such people feel like they're in a deep pit and can't dig or crawl their way out (trust me, I've been there myself). With his conjunction in Sag, you may overthink, overphilosophize the problem, making it bigger and bigger in your mind.

If this is what you are experiencing, then you may wish to consider getting psychotherapy for help with behavior modification - basically having a therapist teach you have to think and act in ways that aren't self-sabotaging and self-defeating. If there is trauma in your past, you may wish to seek out a support group to help you work out those issues too.

BTW, I do not see BD or OCD in our chart, just the likelihood of trauma and related depression and anxiety, maybe PTSD. That's by no way an actual diagnosis. Just my opinion.

posted February 04, 2007 12:20 AM              

Moon/Scorp conj Uranus/Scorp in 8th
Sun/Pisces/1st sq Mars/Gemini/4th
Merc/Pisces/1st sq Neptune