posted May 18, 2006 08:29 PM            

I've got Pluto in the 1st
Sun, Mercury, Venus and Pluto in Scorpio
Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Sun, and Venus

and a dozen other pluto contacts...

posted May 19, 2006 04:53 PM            

What's up? You seem somewhat distraught? Did you lose a ton of work or something? I hate when that happens. The other day I spent an hour amending a grant and re-working the financial distribution, hit submit and all was lost. UGH!!! (Shakes fist at the sky..LOL).

But, these things happen.

I hope things get better on you

posted May 20, 2006 02:23 AM            

From my understanding, a singleton is supposed to carry a bit more importance, though I'm not certain why.

It certainly doesn't mean that you have a deficiency if you have one. The houses are also based on signs, and therefore also based on the elements. So the 1st house correlates to Aries and Fire. The 2nd House correlates to Taurus and Earth. The 3rd Gemini and Air. Et Cetera. My Sun & Jupiter are in the 8th, which correlates to Scorpio and Water, so that is part of the way that my seeming water deficiency diminishes.

posted June 30, 2007 01:57 AM              

I have to admit. I have so many planets in my 8th house and it only seems like Pluto is telling/ordering me to embrace the realms of taboo and it's starting to take a toll on me, psychologically. Unfortunately, I've reluctantly accepted Pluto's (8th House's) demeanor.

I really want to ignore the power of the 8th house...but it's impossible to do...especially when it's in my chart...and especially when it's my permanent fate from the Gods.

I've read this article that I have already read and a bit scared/concerned about what future that holds...
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/pluto/pluto.htm

Here are some of the exerts of the link...

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Until Tuesday, September 11, 2001, the U.S.A. had been without war on its continental territory since the Civil War in the 1860's. Up to just now, we have had no collective experience within living memory of war's total, utter devastation in our midst. So, we as a collective have tended to put the energy of Pluto into erotic love affairs, sports, drugs and violence. Since our common enemy, the former USSR, dissolved twelve years ago, the U.S.A. has become even more violent and polarized within itself, and drug use has risen. A rather problematic Mercury Retrograde in Cancer opposes the U.S.A. Pluto. Our collective naivete and emotionally colored thinking generally leads us to choose to project Pluto "out there" on those "devils." We have now have Osama bin Laden as our primary Plutonian figure; Saddam Hussein is a runner-up. It is interesting that neither the first Bush or Clinton administrations could or would bring down this latter "demon." Perhaps they realized, consciously or unconsciously, the value of an external "enemy" to keep some peace at home, and made an attempt to honor and to appease the god Pluto in this way. But that Pluto in Capricorn in the U.S.A. chart symbolizes a big part of our collective "shadow;" it includes the CIA, large corporations and their activities, the Mafia, etc. The CIA is credited with having encouraged bin Ladin's rise to power during the former USSR's struggle in Afghanistan. Now bin Ladin has come home to roost. Not only do we "project" Pluto onto others, but also others project our Pluto back upon us!

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The very thought of being Osama Bin Laden is like being marked for a Death wish that will scare me indefinitely.

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Unfortunately, so, too, do the jihad terrorist activities. Having looked at the dubious charts of some of the suicide hijackers and of Mr. bin Laden, it appears they all have the generational Uranus/Pluto conjunction in Virgo which sextiles Neptune in Scorpio. Although there are no singleton Pluto's, of course, there are many with a stellium (pl. stellia) in Virgo; the Uranus/Pluto conjunction is closely configured with very personal planets. That generational conjunction in Virgo is being set off now by a square from transiting Pluto in Sagittarius, which goes on through 2008. The Uranus/Pluto sub-generation had an unusual number of suicides among its members when they were teenagers. They seemed to have a romantic (Neptune in Scorpio), fascination with death and sudden violence (Uranus/Pluto). Hopefully, the higher octave of this conjunction will be activated as well, and we will see individuals of genius, intuition, and purified consciousness step forward to clean up the physical and spiritual messes (a Virgo function), on the planet.

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How can someone be a fan of violence and guns all the time? I've already probably know that carrying a gun will probably send me a trip to jail. I don't want to think about that.

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Power and the temptation to power are Plutonian issues. Faust desired worldly power and sold his soul for it. Jesus resisted the temptation for worldly powers in favor of eternal, immortal power. Pluto/Hades (god of the underworld), raped Persephone, and later he made her queen; she became empowered, through the experience of the loss of innocence, or ignorance.

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The very thought of raping a women has already brought me to tears. I can't even committ violence on other people.

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A woman was experiencing a Pluto transit of her 4th house. Now, this usually corresponds with moving to a different house or home in a different place. When transiting Pluto was squaring her ASC, she looked at a lot of houses in several different states, but could not make up her mind. She found fault (Virgo ASC), with all the places. Finally, as transiting Pluto squared her natal Neptune and Venus, her house was demolished by a tornado. There was no longer a choice about moving! She was forced to go. She did not want to rebuild in "tornado alley," so chose the southwest, New Mexico. Had she been willing to move with the earlier Pluto transit, she would have found a new place and begun healing her chronic illness much sooner. Pluto finally forced the move and the healing. The power of evolution first asks you to move on willingly, and then it forcibly moves you. If you still refuse to budge, Pluto will remove you (you just die)! In the woman's case, she had insurance (Pluto, Scorpio and the 8th house rule insurance, or collective resources), so all turned out well.

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I can relate to her ordeal. But I was in foster care and I was moved so many times that I just lose track at how many times I've moved.

I know you all going to think I'm being paranoid and weak about the Pluto subject...but even they're some things that even I can't embrace. The only thing about Pluto that I'm embracing is Sex & Sexuality. That's the only thing I can deal from this point. The others I'm avoiding like the plague.

"When people committ violent crimes to other people, then you are sinned for all eternity."

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Hank Campbell
Far Rockaway, Queens, NY
*Sun: 8th House/Leo, Moon: 3rd House/Pisces, Venus: 8th House/Leo, Mars: 6th House/Cancer, Jupiter: 8th House/Leo, Saturn: 8th House/Virgo, ASC: Capricorn

posted June 30, 2007 02:45 AM            

"A woman was experiencing a Pluto transit of her 4th house. Now, this usually corresponds with moving to a different house or home in a different place. When transiting Pluto was squaring her ASC, she looked at a lot of houses in several different states, but could not make up her mind. She found fault (Virgo ASC), with all the places. Finally, as transiting Pluto squared her natal Neptune and Venus, her house was demolished by a tornado. There was no longer a choice about moving! She was forced to go. She did not want to rebuild in "tornado alley," so chose the southwest, New Mexico. Had she been willing to move with the earlier Pluto transit, she would have found a new place and begun healing her chronic illness much sooner. Pluto finally forced the move and the healing. The power of evolution first asks you to move on willingly, and then it forcibly moves you. If you still refuse to budge, Pluto will remove you (you just die)! In the woman's case, she had insurance (Pluto, Scorpio and the 8th house rule insurance, or collective resources), so all turned out well."

Whoa.. don't I know this.. I have T Pluto conjuncting my Sun and IC in the 4th and squaring my natal Pluto conjunct Ascendant in the 1st.

I kept hemming and hawing about getting my surgery in either Germany or Idaho.. well, fate made that choice. Hubby's in the Army and they came and moved my stuff, my orders to go with him fell through and I was forced to come to Idaho- where I will receive surgery from one of the top surgeons that specializes in my kind of surgery! It was actually a good thing that my orders fell through because within 12 hours of Bear getting to Germany he was told he had to deploy to Iraq- in a few days. I would have been in a foreign country, on my own trying to get surgery.

I will be moving to Schweinfurt with Bear in October

Lessons learned.. either go with it or it will make you go with it turning that kind of a transit LOL...

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www.IMWITHFRED.com

posted June 30, 2007 09:01 AM            

Pluto forces us to give up our innocence. In that way it is like rape. The myth of Hades and Persephone is Pluto’s story. Persephone is kidnapped by Hades/Pluto, dragged down into the underworld and raped or seduced. She must have liked it, for she became Pluto’s wife, Queen of the Underworld. She lost her virginity, her innocence, but in the process became empowered and powerful. After all, Pluto is the king of wealth, as in the word “plutocracy,” rule by the wealthy.

Once we can see with Plutonian X-ray vision, we come to own our power. Others can sense it. People who have natal Pluto configured with the Sun, Moon or in an angular house are often seen by others people, those who feel powerless, as either angels or devils. No one ever quite trusts a Plutonian. He or she just knows too much, see through us, ferrets out our cherished secrets and then chuckles knowingly at the ridiculousness of them. Pluto lays us bare to the very soul. That can be very purifying, totally healing and devastating. It brings emotional crisis, taking away all the dead wood in our lives which blocks our future growth. It feels like radical, psychic surgery, often followed by the blackest of depressions, and a sense of isolation so deep that no one and nothing can reach us to pull us out. But health and wholeness does return! We burst one day into the expansive joy that is symbolized by Sagittarius and its ruler, Jupiter. Pluto is power of every kind, from raw brutality to redeeming grace. It spans the distance from the dungeons of hell to the high vaults of heaven.

posted June 30, 2007 01:47 PM            

misterhank- I double thank you now for bumping this thread!

posted June 30, 2007 02:21 PM            

That "Mighty Pluto" thread was one of my favorite efforts here -- I had a lot of fun hunting pics and posting all that
Pluto 24 Leo (XII), Moon 26 Pisces (VIII), Asc 29 Leo....

posted June 30, 2007 09:12 PM              

I did know that I could see through people very quickly, whether I wanted to or not. I did know that I don't like to show my feelings. I also did not understand how come people didn't understand, or get, Scorpios. To me, they were so easy to get, and even transparent. It got on my nerves when I heard scorpios say that nobody could get them, because I could, and it sounded pompous to me that they thought they were better than everyone else, or more mysterious than any other sign.

I had known some scorpios, and they were the "bad ones." They were very easy to read. They made me mistrust all scorpios.

Slowly, it was told to me that I had Plutonian influences. I wasn't real happy. Scorps and I did not get along. At least now I know why I could understand them. I also know now why we didn't get along...power issues. Clash of the titans...whatever. Like meets like.

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Trying to tell people their intentions before they do it has also led to big battles. Now, I have learned (like my Spiritual guide the Jaguar / Panther) to just stay quiet. Just learn..because like you said..sometimes a Sigh is just a Sigh.

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How well I can relate to this.

(Moon square Pluto.)

posted July 01, 2007 01:59 AM              

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From Steven Forrest’s “The Book of Pluto”:

PLUTO IN THE NINTH HOUSE
THE NINTH HOUSE ARENA: The Quest for Truth
THE NINTH HOUSE PITS: Fanaticism; Nihilism
IN THE TRADITION...
…..the ninth house bore a rather romantic name. It was the "House of Long Journeys.” The implication was that of a mythic Quest, a journey into strange and perilous places, a journey from which one would return, if at all, a changed person.

The ninth house was also associated with religion.….and that is not as much of a leap from journeys as it might at first seem. Religion is a human attempt to impart meaning to life, or to discover life's meaning. And we learn about life by living it — by fully accepting and undertaking the "journey." It is this "religious" dimension of the ninth house that is really the heart of the matter, as we will see.

Furthermore, nothing will so challenge and focus our own beliefs as an encounter with their passionately held alternatives. Generally throughout human history, such encounters have been hard to come by. "Multiculturalism" has been a rare phenomenon; cultures have tended to be monolithic, with a particular set of commonly held values, morals, and mythologies binding them into unity. To experience the full-blown reality of alternative perspectives, one didn't have a long list of options. And travel was high on the list. Just leaving town. Going among the foreigners, the "heathens," the "infidels." It would provide an "education" unavailable elsewhere.….

…..At least until "education" became widely available — and that is yet another traditional meaning of the ninth house: universities, learning, scholarship. Closely linked to those notions was the idea of the dissemination of knowledge. Hence, the association of the ninth house with the publishing industry..…and who hasn't ever been taken on a "Long Journey" by a book? But it all comes back to the endless search for meaning, pattern and significance in our lives: our "religious" needs.

What does it mean when Pluto lies here?

YOUR HIGH DESTINY
Life hardly feels meaningful automatically. Much of the time we are merely struggling with our responsibilities and wrestling with our circumstances. What honest, reflective person has not occasionally been plagued by that eternal question, Why Bother? Jodie and I saw a cartoon once in which the Almighty appeared to a harried fellow in a vision. His message was, "The Universe exists to annoy you!" I don't think that cartoon made it onto our refrigerator. I guess it cut a little too close to the bone.

In the face of the seeming meaninglessness of life, we turn naturally to religion — and by that word, I don't simply mean Catholicism or Islam. I mean any of the Things To Believe In that humanity has devised. Science serves the purpose for some of us. Art does it for others. Humanitarianism may fit the bill for one person, while making a million dollars may do it for another. And every one of these "religions” has not only its adherents, but also its spokespeople. Call them Teachers, Exemplars, Preachers.….whatever. We humans instinctively seek them out. We want a man or a woman to embody the ideal for us, to speak to us authoritatively and confidently about the moral or metaphysical framework of life.

Your High Destiny is to be such a figure. The responsibility here is enormous. Whenever you speak of Right or Wrong, or the Meaning of Life, people will naturally listen to you. It is as though something radiates from you, a kind of message from God saying, "Take what this person says seriously." And if you put out the notion that life is a hopeless mess unfolding in a random universe, people will be mightily influenced by that viewpoint.

You can do a lot better than that, but first you must face...

YOUR DISTORTING WOUND
We humans are pretty brilliant as monkeys go. I suspect that perspective is not terribly far from the way the angels look at us. We are inventive, cunning, and creative, but our knowledge of this vast, multidimensional universe is exceedingly limited. When the preacher ascends the pulpit on Sunday morning and begins fulminating about the nature and purpose of life in the cosmos, I imagine the angels have a good laugh. Even if the preacher's heart is in the right place, his head is still stuck in the three-dimensional, time-bound world.

But preaching is his job, and he prides himself in it. And when he was a young seminarian, he was deeply inspired by a teacher no older or wiser than he himself is now. What doubts he had in his inherited belief-system were dispelled by that teacher.

On top of that, the congregation isn't paying him for his doubts; they want certainty, clarity, and confidence — "faith," they call it.

It's a commonplace observation that religion has caused more bloodshed and unfeeling, self-righteous sadism in this world than money, sex, and the territorial imperative combined. People will do things for "faith" that they couldn't stomach for any other reason. And their "preachers" egg them on with "messages from God."

With Pluto in the ninth house, you instinctively see all that. You have a skeptic's capacity to ask the right, embarrassing questions. Reflexively, you question the assumptions underlying whatever metaphysical card-castle with which you are presented. You have an especially wary eye when it comes to observing the "preachers," sniffing out the subtle traps their own egos lay for them, and places where their Shadows leak out into behavior.

When you were young, you were presented with a religion and strongly encouraged to accept it. This religion may not have been a conventional one — it could have been liberal or conservative politics, education, money, almost anything. And you smelled something rotten, and doubted…..or believed deeply at first, and thereby set yourself up for a harder fall.

Synchronistic principles here often suggest early contact with especially virulent examples of religious or moral hypocrisy, or other similarly disillusioning experiences. The pedophile priest. The philandering guru. If we add such outward biographical events to the stew, your Plutonian education in religion's dark side was that much more intense.

However we read the story, your Distorting Wound is a learned response of doubt, cynicism, and hesitancy to believe.

YOUR NAVIGATIONAL ERROR
Those of us raised in the Christian tradition know the story of Christ's encounter with the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate. The gospel accounts give an impression of Pilate not so much as a bad man but as a weak one. He seems motivated to afford Jesus a way out of the crucifixion, if only Jesus would plea-bargain a little. But of course Jesus won't. Near the end of their dialogue, Pilate despairingly asks, "What is Truth?" In Sunday school we are encouraged to view this an example of Pilate's perfidious character, but in fact it's a pretty good question.

What is truth? The world is full of people, nefarious or merely gullible, making large sums out of claiming to provide the answer. You figured that out before you were very far into your adulthood, and such parasites make your blood boil.

In your compulsion not to get fooled again yourself and to roust out the tricksters in the bargain, you might make any of several fundamental navigational errors.

The first error lies in adopting doubt and cynicism as your "religion," and doing so without realizing that they are as narrow and limited as any other doctrine. And not nearly as uplifting, we might add. A person under the spell of that dogma will live a life full of fear, hesitant to reap the real joys of love, charity, and fellowship. He or she might withdraw from real sources of inspiration, and recoil from the pleasures and advantages of simple faith.

The second error involves reacting unconsciously to the "religion" of one's childhood — and moving fanatically into another doctrine as far removed from the birth-religion as one can find: a classic "out of the frying pan, into the fire" move. Daddy was a right-wing entrepreneurial capitalist; daughter is a left-wing Marxist saboteur. Joe was raised Pentecostal, but then he found Zoroastrianism. Wherever we wind up, if we are in the grips of this error, one eventuality is sure: the preachers of the new religion will prove just as fallible or morally culpable as the preachers with whom we grew up.

A third possible error lies in becoming an Inquisitor regarding either all religions or the religion of one's childhood. Down this road, one zealously, fanatically seeks to discredit belief at every opportunity. The attacks may very well be cogent; our concerns about them lie more in a consideration of their motivations and their benefits to the attacker. Typically, there is a big element of unconscious anger in such attacks, and they accomplish little that enhances anyone's life.

A fourth error is an attempt to escape the whole issue, and in fact to shirk one's high destiny. It can be made to sound pretty good, though: "Everybody has to figure it out for themselves. Who am I to judge? We should all just trust our inner guidance." These are certainly laudable ideas in many ways. But they miss something. We all wear shoes, but not everyone is cut out to be shoemaker. Most of us drive a car, but only a few of us can rebuild the brakes or the ignition system. Similarly, not everyone is wired to distill the chaos of daily life down to a few reliable moral principles. That's as much an inborn, unique skill as the shoemaker's or the mechanic's. And not everyone possesses it.

You are mentally wired to be a philosopher. You carry those instincts and reflexes. And you are not the only one who knows that — anyone sizing you up is going to come to the same conclusion. That's how it works with Pluto. Like it or not, you're set up for that kind of destiny and people are going to see you through that kind of filter. They'll take moral cues from you no matter what you do.

THE HEALING METHOD
The first part of your healing method is simple to say, but absolutely essential to the recovery of your high destiny. You must physically leave the land of your birth.

This leaving is not necessarily permanent, although it often is. Nor does it necessitate crossing international boundaries; cultural lines count for more here than political ones. If you're a native Californian, moving to New Hampshire might do it.

The point is that there is something liberating and refreshing for you about culture shock. Your ninth house wounds are tied up with the "religion of your people" — your church or temple in youth, or the collective attitude of your ethnic group, your neighborhood, or your extended family.....or any combination plate of such factors you might assemble. Just getting away from that environment clears the air. And in that clear air, you will naturally begin to think more freshly. A second part of your healing depends utterly upon your committing yourself to an educational journey. This may very well involve matriculating in a formal degree program, complete with the diploma to hang on your wall. It may just as easily take a less official form, as, for example, when a person sets out to master the practice of astrology and commits zealously to the formidable intellectual exercise that entails. Again, what is at stake here is a stretching of the boundaries, an extension of consciousness beyond the narrow framework of one's early life.

Synchronistic principles declare that in the course of traveling far from home and acquiring an education, you will encounter a religion that works for you. That is part of the shape of your destiny. The third step in the healing lies in accepting it. By "religion" we refer to a world view or a moral perspective; a set of values to live by. It may or may not be a religion in the customary sense.

The religion that works best foryou will be Plutonian, of course — that's what suits your nature. How do we recognize such a belief system? For starters, a Plutonian religion is one that isn't quick to view doubt as a sin, it will encourage questioning, scrutiny, and testing. It is a religion that makes some satisfactory account of the problem of evil in the world; no greeting-card philosophies will work. It is a religion that encourages and supports introspective psychological self-analysis, and ties it inextricably to the notion of the spiritual quest. Typically, it will deal energetically and at length with the realities of death and the dying process, and be willing to embrace positive views on the spiritual potentials inherent in consciously directed sexuality.

All these notions are simply Plutonian; a Plutonian religion, which is natural to you, will embrace them all to some degree.

THE ENERGIZING VISION
What are we if we believe nothing? What would life be if everything came down to meaninglessness? What would be left? Only appetite.….

"Man shall not live by bread alone," Jesus said. And it is a simple truth. We need more than mere appetite. We need purpose and meaning. But if, as some tired modern intellectual theologians say, purpose and meaning are purely human creations, it all rings a little hollow. Why bother?

Here's the essence: in your guts, you know that life has purpose.

You were born with that certainty. Some early experiences of disillusionment nearly knocked that faith out of you, but it only went underground. Employ your healing methods and the faith is resurrected. And it radiates from you. And that faith is given an integrity and a legitimacy by your own fierce commitment to doubt.

How strange that phrase sounds from a conventional religious perspective! But your willingness to question yourself and everyone else, always to go deeper, always to let the truth be more than what you already know, those qualities lift you out of the morass that so often captures the evangelist and amateur guru.

You are called upon to speak as one of the moral voices of your community. And as long as you are willing to stay in communion with your own Plutonian shadow, you'll not slip into mere moralizing. Need renewal? Then go questing again! Journeys will punctuate the conscious life for you, and each one will stretch your spiritual frontiers a little wider.

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I think this matches my purpose...

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Hank Campbell
Far Rockaway, Queens, NY
*Sun: 8th House/Leo, Moon: 3rd House/Pisces, Venus: 8th House/Leo, Mars: 6th House/Cancer, Jupiter: 8th House/Leo, Saturn: 8th House/Virgo, ASC: Capricorn

posted July 01, 2007 02:50 AM              

My solar return pluto is in the 12th, conjunct mars, and there is a Moon square Pluto aspect, which I have in my natal chart, as well. So this aspect is very pronounced right now.

I also have tPluto square nPluto until December of 2008.

For 2008 Solar return, my Pluto will be in the 8th. At that time, I will still have tPluto square nPluto, but I will also have Uranus square Uranus to contend with.

I must say that the Pluto square Pluto hasn't been bad...yet. I expected hell on Earth from the things I'd heard of it. Maybe that's because it's rx....? (Lucky me?)Or it may be because I'm not resisting it - I read that makes it more bearable. I've followed tha advice.

I read about Pluto transiting the 8th and it is spot on for me.

posted March 21, 2008 11:45 AM              

Just repeating a list of Pluto-related books that Zala and others have suggested many times... at once empowering and soothing stuff.
1) The Book of Pluto - Stephen Forrest
2) The Hades Moon - Judy Hall
3) Healing Pluto Problems - Donna Cunningham
4) Pluto - Jeff Green
5) Alive and Well with Pluto: Transits of Power and Renewal - Bil Tierney

You can even preview them on Google books. Have a good trip!