posted October 16, 2011 12:09 AM            

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Spiritually evolved Mars-Scorpio types show distinctly Plutonian tendencies. They often work alone (sometimes in exile) and their lives are punctuated by drastic crises and upheavals. The force that in Aries was projective is now penetrative. Pluto rules psychological warfare and brainwashing, it is more powerful than Mars

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i'm gonna check again for actual fighters in both signs but the first page of MIS has bruce lee and err.. steven seagal LOL

i'm actually both pluto/mars and scorpio/aries dominant. my MIS is in the first an aries house. i think a lot of other mars are stronger physically like cap as i've said above.

anyway i was thinking of this as a good comparison for the 2 children of mars.

they're from purple star astro. everyone has them somewhere so i can't say one is definitely aries or scorpio but i have the first star in my career domain and i have an aries merc and aries 6th.

the 2nd one is in my self domain which kinda sounds abit like AC/ Sun and i have my pluto and MIS in my 1st house.

just noticed the correlation and apologies if what i said makes no senese hehe! i also took out the names of the stars to avoid confusion.

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Previously, _ is of low regards. First of all, war is of a last resort. Next, a general fighting at the frontier, and not under the direct control of the emperor usually becomes rebellious, at least in terms of defying orders. Thirdly, such a general does not get to enjoy the fruits of his work - when an enemy's castle is conquered, the main troops will arrive, and the forward general is tasked to go forward again. In reality, a _ person is impatient for long drawn plans or actions. The work of a _ person benefits his/her employer or superior, but then it is also very risky for a _ person to go into business, as he/she is only capable, and fond, of attacking but very weak in defending. However, a _ person is provided with more opportunities in the modern world, as he/she can get into many roles that go for short term projects that require overhauling/rebuilding nature.

A _ person is exuberant and work-focused, and an exemplification of great pride to the extent of always exuding arrogance. He/she is also brave to take on all challenges in life.

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Both the qualities of _ and _ include strong determination and the will to persevere until the end. There are differences in the two stars, and they are best shown by the English names that I have given them. While they share some similarities, the Marshal is more authoritative, while the Forward is more rebellious. the Marshal has a more balanced view and looks at the entire war, while the Forward General is more focused and concentrates on a battle.

In the classic text, it represents power. Comparatively, it does not quite need to have the Auspicious Stars because it is a powerful Marshal. A Marshal is the king on a battlefield. Zuofu the Left Deputy and Youbi the Right Deputy can make life easier, but a Marshal can wage a war without them. Tiankui the Status Star and Tianyue the Reputation Star surely aids its status, but a Marshal is already a Marshal. Wenchang the Literacy Star and Wenqu the Eloquence Star surely makes a Marshal more learned, but the quality is not absolutely vital for a warrior.

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i can definitely read the cardinality and the pioneering spirit in the first. even the eagerness to fight and to fight honorably that you mentioned.

in the 2nd i read authority as power which the sign of scorpio is known for. also the ability to plan out carefully the whole war seems more scorpionic to me.

posted October 16, 2011 03:44 AM            

Russell Crowe has Mars in Aries... I THINK he can and HAS kicked some as*. On film... he was THE GLADIATOR and off, , "Russell Crowe: From growing up in his father's pubs to brawling, bristling and brilliance"
If Russell Crowe is not the best movie actor working today, he is certainly their equal. He already has one Academy Award for best actor in "Gladiator," and has been nominated two other times for "A Beautiful Mind" and "The Insider." Besides being intelligent, well read and incredibly talented, the 42-year-old Australian can also be volatile, combative, even a bit menacing.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/02/60minutes/main2144976.shtml

He doesn't do television interviews that often and when he does he speaks his mind, even if it gets him in trouble.

Clint Eastwood has Mars in Aries and he definitely will back up his mouth with a fist!!!

Tyra Banks has mars in aries and she is a bitc*, I will bet she can take on some little candy butt chick.

Paul Newman= Mars in Aries/ Race car driver and general kick butt personality.

Jeffrey Dahmer: YIKES! I think he was a wack a doodle, but not a wuss..

Napoleon III!!! All bark and no bite? I think not!!!

For those of you old enough to know him, Anthony Quinn!

James Woods

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Alexandre Biamonti

Emilio Estevez, He will kick your butt!

Juan Manuel Fangio, Formula one race car driver who dominated the first decade of that type of racing.

Joe Namath

Lee Van Cleef

Mars in Aries is more dangerous because when Mars in Aries unleashes anger, it is often impetuously forceful and sudden. The force of Mars in Scorpio cannot be surpassed, but likely to be less dangerous because it is more deliberate and cautious. Quote from Sally and I agree!

Aries is the GOD of WAR... NUFF said.

posted October 16, 2011 03:54 AM            

When I was nine years old I got into my first fist fight and I punched her two front teeth out.

Got into a fight with a girl twice the size of me and her brothers kept kicking me all the while. I never gave up, even though I had bruises all up and down my legs and butt. I was eleven and she was 14!

I have since learned to talk things through, but take me to the edge and I will Kick your as* TOO! and that is not from my mouth, you can ask my family and friends.

I'm a lover and not a fighter by nature, My Venus and mercury are in Pisces. BUT my father who was a double Pisces and mars in Aquarius taught my brother, who taught me.( He died when I was two.) to always do our best to walk away from a fight, but finish it if you have to. I ALWAYS finish it, just saying.

posted October 16, 2011 05:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Mysticknowflake:
Personal experience:

When I was nine years old I got into my first fist fight and I punched her two front teeth out.

Got into a fight with a girl twice the size of me and her brothers kept kicking me all the while. I never gave up, even though I had bruises all up and down my legs and butt. I was eleven and she was 14!

I have since learned to talk things through, but take me to the edge and I will Kick your as* TOO! and that is not from my mouth, you can ask my family and friends.

I'm a lover and not a fighter by nature, My Venus and mercury are in Pisces. BUT my father who was a double Pisces and mars in Aquarius taught my brother, who taught me.( He died when I was two.) to always do our best to walk away from a fight, but finish it if you have to. I ALWAYS finish it, just saying.

So, the person who thinks Aries is all bark and no bite, come here and you will learn just how sharp my teeth are.

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posted October 16, 2011 05:23 AM            

I truly have progressed in my temper management, I practice meditation. I don't believe in violence as a way of solving anything, it rarely does and for the most part, it makes things worse. I do speak my mind, but at least my friends always know where they stand with me and I have learned tact! a wonderful thing for any Aries mars to learn.

posted October 16, 2011 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Mysticknowflake:
LOL fenia, I would stand by you and kick their butt for you... grrr hahaha

I truly have progressed in my temper management, I practice meditation. I don't believe in violence as a way of solving anything, it rarely does and for the most part, it makes things worse. I do speak my mind, but at least my friends always know where they stand with me and I have learned tact! a wonderful thing for any Aries mars to learn.

Where is your mars sign, if I may ask?

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posted October 16, 2011 12:10 PM              

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Sand: i can definitely read the cardinality and the pioneering spirit in the first. even the eagerness to fight and to fight honorably that you mentioned.

in the 2nd i read authority as power which the sign of scorpio is known for. also the ability to plan out carefully the whole war seems more scorpionic to me.

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I think war is both Mars and Pluto. I've read so many articles about this but I can't think of where I read them. But it is complicated because Scorpio and Aries are so different. Scorpio is the strategist. They can't or won't attack without planning. But wars aren't always planned, sometimes they just happen. Think of the French Revolution people just went crazy, the streets covered in blood they were barbaric and acting out of anger, that seems Martian to me. Aries doesn't have time to plan they hear the sound of stampedes and head straight into battle, guns or swords blazing. Aries doesn't need to plan because they've got that Martian strength and that pioneering spirit as you mentioned. Scorpio on the other hand does because it's not in their nature to fight therefore they plot in secrecy.

When I think of this topic I think of the Trojans versus Agamemnon in the Odyssey. Hector and the Trojans were fierce warriors, the Trojan walls were impenetrable. They were of course barbaric but had that Arian spirit. Agamemnon was very Plutonian. He plotted and planned behind the scenes and was an underhanded strategist. He and the Greeks won troy by sneaking in a wooden horse as a parting gift filled with warriors. Therefore they won by playing dirty. Agamemnon new very well they would not have one without Achilles and that Horse. The fight between the two would be impossible because it's only natural for Scorpio to scheme and not play fair.

As a Mars in Aries I am incapable of being underhanded. I can always spot that behavior but I don't have a bone in my body that would want to be deceptive in war. Honor is important to me. I'd rather end the fight amicably if it looked like their was no honorable end in sight, then scheme just for victory.

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*I use the whole sign system*

Libra Sun, Mercury
Scorpio Venus
Capricorn Mars
Cancer Moon

posted October 17, 2011 02:04 AM            

Not sure that I agree with your assessment that Ali was a coward.

He was a Muslim, and it very well might have been against his religious beliefs. Who are we to judge? By the way in my opinion, it takes great courage to stand up for what you believe in!

posted October 17, 2011 02:07 AM            

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As a Mars in Aries I am incapable of being underhanded. I can always spot that behavior but I don't have a bone in my body that would want to be deceptive in war. Honor is important to me. I'd rather end the fight amicably if it looked like their was no honorable end in sight, then scheme just for victory.

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posted October 17, 2011 02:12 AM            

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Really? Thanks
I have mars in Cappy conjunct my Jupiter in 11th house. I am libra sun. I feel like I hate the idea of having to give fights in my life, it's a kind of weakness, I can be passive. But, i cannot be a victim, i am dynamic, nervous, I speak my mind, stubborn and I would survive

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My mom has mars in capy and she is very much like you. She hates fighting, but is a survivor.

posted October 17, 2011 02:17 AM            

Mars through the signs and houses

Mars in Scorpio:
The terminator. Dark, watchful and dangerous. He strikes suddenly, ruthlesly and for keeps ... this table is *Mine,* he says, as he drives his fork into the wood grain and grins menacingly at the others waiting in line. [BT]

So, Conan or the Terminator?

posted October 17, 2011 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
When I think of this topic I think of the Trojans versus Agamemnon in the Odyssey. Hector and the Trojans were fierce warriors, the Trojan walls were impenetrable. They were of course barbaric but had that Arian spirit. Agamemnon was very Plutonian. He plotted and planned behind the scenes and was an underhanded strategist. He and the Greeks won troy by sneaking in a wooden horse as a parting gift filled with warriors. Therefore they won by playing dirty. Agamemnon new very well they would not have one without Achilles and that Horse. The fight between the two would be impossible because it's only natural for Scorpio to scheme and not play fair.

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posted October 29, 2011 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Honestly I'm sounding biased, but our will is purer and therefore accomplishes more. No offense, but Scorpio Mars always gets lost in psychological agendas and so much intrigue until the sting themselves...or shoot themselves in the foot. Just in my experience.

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posted November 04, 2011 03:26 AM            

She is a Scorp sun, moon, mars & was a girlfriend of my Aries sun/Scorp moon brother. Me, Aries sun, moon & Taurus mars.

He got sick, she tried to undermine the family and take total control of him. Talked a lot of bs about my family, tried to get power of attorney on him while he was weak and tried to stop us from coming to the apt. to help him. Well, what she didn't realize was that her manipulative ways were obvious to their mutual friends that went to my brother's side. He was actually afraid of her which ****** me off beyond comprehension. I literally dreamed of killing this ***** with my bare hands. I would have easily but it wasn't necessary (unfortunately).

Even the phone company couldn't believe what she told them when I called to cancel his service. There was a note from her on the service saying he was insane and that all requests from him should go through her. The guy I talked to was amazed at this and cancelled the service and wished us luck when we were literally carrying him out of the apt. while she was away. I hated that we had to sneak him out as I would have loved to confront her.

Scorp's act only in an underhanded way. Most intelligent people can see through that. Aries has too many friends by their more open approach in life. Her friends actually jumped to his side and saw through her bs.

But yeah, my mars in Taurus would've squeezed the life out of her with no problem. I hate bullies and this was personal. You don't mess with my family.

posted November 20, 2011 09:54 PM            

My two cents on this whole topic:

Aries Mars and Scorpio Mars don't cross paths much at all. They want very different things, so it's unlikely that they would fight. Besides it takes a lot to anger Scorpio Mars and I don't think Aries Mars is dark enough, disloyal enough, treacherous enough or annoying enough to really to unleash Scorpio's wrath.

Aries Mars and Capricorn Mars would never fight because the Cap Mars person wouldn't waste their energy lol Cap Mars is very clear on what they want and how they are going to get there. They don't fight little kids along the way when it's completely unnecessary.

Capricorn Mars and Scorpio Mars is a more likely fight. The signs are sextile and they usually like each other... but low and behold if there happen to be problems in paradise. Unlike Aries Mars... these two actually have common goals and enough similarities for them to end up in the same boxing ring at the same time.
Normally Cap Mars would manipulate things in such a way that Scorpio Mars ends up on their side and the whole fight is avoided. This is not so much because Cap Mars is looking out for themselves.. but rather because they are looking out for Sco Mars and they wouldn't want to hurt Sco Mars.
But if something actually happened between these two to the point where Cap Mars would sever all feelings towards Scorpio... and they ended up in an "every man for himself" situation.... then Cap Mars would win imo, because they are much colder. Scorpio Mars is much more emotional and much more caring. Cap Mars can exploit their emotions.
When Cap Mars & Scorpio Mars are on good terms.. Cap Mars is very protective of the Scorpio emotion.. almost like a wall of rock that builds around Scorpio and won't let others get through. But I guess the tables could turn... if it was a bad enough situation - betrayal on both sides etc.

Capricorn Mars and Taurus Mars would never happen... They get very complacent around each other. With my first love his Mars was opposite Pluto - so we did argue a lot and had problems..
But if it's just Taurus Mars on its own - I can't see them getting into it with Cap Mars.

posted November 22, 2011 07:31 AM            

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This would be the fight of the century! lol
It could be one of those long term, drawn out feuds that go on for years and years.. kind of like "The Prestige" (for those who've seen it)... where someone mysteriously dies in the end... and no one knows how in the world it came to that, because the whole thing is just too twisted.

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LOLOL! that sounds very possible!

or some war of the roses type thing if between male and female. not sure bout kathleen's mars but michael douglas is a scorpio mars i think. or sun..

posted November 22, 2011 06:20 PM            

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mysticknowflake:
[B]Boxer Muhammad Ali had a powerful Mars in the 10th house in Aries... THAT just sealed the deal... But, I can go on and on.

posted November 24, 2011 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Aries Mars and Capricorn Mars would never fight because the Cap Mars person wouldn't waste their energy lol Cap Mars is very clear on what they want and how they are going to get there. They don't fight little kids along the way when it's completely unnecessary.

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Capricorn Mars and Scorpio Mars is a more likely fight. The signs are sextile and they usually like each other... but low and behold if there happen to be problems in paradise. Unlike Aries Mars... these two actually have common goals and enough similarities for them to end up in the same boxing ring at the same time.
Normally Cap Mars would manipulate things in such a way that Scorpio Mars ends up on their side and the whole fight is avoided. This is not so much because Cap Mars is looking out for themselves.. but rather because they are looking out for Sco Mars and they wouldn't want to hurt Sco Mars.
But if something actually happened between these two to the point where Cap Mars would sever all feelings towards Scorpio... and they ended up in an "every man for himself" situation.... then Cap Mars would win imo, because they are much colder. Scorpio Mars is much more emotional and much more caring. Cap Mars can exploit their emotions.
When Cap Mars & Scorpio Mars are on good terms.. Cap Mars is very protective of the Scorpio emotion.. almost like a wall of rock that builds around Scorpio and won't let others get through. But I guess the tables could turn... if it was a bad enough situation - betrayal on both sides etc.

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posted January 08, 2012 09:43 PM            

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In a physical fight.. I'd say Aries Mars. I've seen enough Arien Mars punch people in the face right then and there if you p!ss them off. They get it over with and rarely hold any grudges. But Scorpio Mars can be the most vindictive, grudge bearing people.. They will wait FOREVER to get you back. I was once hurt by a Scorpio Mars yearssss ago. Man this girl waited years to fukk me over! Afterwards she felt so bad that she tried to apologize. I ignored her then, and to this day, 10 years later, she still tries to make amends. Purely relentless, for good or bad.

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This is true.

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
No offense, but Scorpio Mars always gets lost in psychological agendas and so much intrigue until the sting themselves...or shoot themselves in the foot. Just in my experience.

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People are getting way too siked about MIS. In real life, find your average MIS and MILeo. Compare the two. One expresses themself, the others natural instinct is to hide it.
That's exact how it would be in a fight. A mis could hate your guts and plan to destroy your plan of buisness but remain friendly with you on a day-to-day level because they know it is the safest way to reach you, when you don't expect it. A mia seems oblivious to this tactic. Mars in aries seems like the type of guy to ineffectively waste his energy telling you how much he hates your buisness. In the meanwhile, Scorpio Mars is taking notes, observing, preparing for the big one.

I'm a mis. I know for certain if any mia girl/boy whatever walked up to me and said a rude insulting, did whatever thing to me, I wouldn't react. If I was mad, I'd supress it and plan. Thats because mis doesn't waste their energy. Which I guess could be part of the reason they're so feared.. because we don't know what to expect.
Scorpio is all about control. Aries lives for war. I would say that if this was a SURPRISE attack, of course aries would win. but if it lasted for a long time, Scorpio would win. Or if it was a planned attack, scorpio.

posted January 09, 2012 03:50 AM            

The second fight happened because of some other friends in the mix and I think she was feeling neglected. Well, no I screwed up because I thought she wasn't making a big deal out of her birthday and didn't go see her. I know, I know - I don't need any more flack for that, thank you. Anyway, so I went through a horrible emotionally abusive relationship and she blew it off like no big deal. Perhaps that was her revenge on me that she'll never admit to - I'll never know but I assume she was more aware than she cares to let on. I didn't speak to her for months. Who, once again, was the bigger person and rejuvenated the friendship? Yep. Me. And months after we'd gotten back in the groove again she admitted she saw how she was in the wrong and how it was her fault.

posted January 29, 2012 11:19 AM            

all in all, mars in aries will come right in and attack you like a wild animal. they will be tough, dangerous, hard to beat or knock over, and will come at you with everything they got.

mars in scorpio is more careful about the way it attacks. wants to know they have a shot before they take it. will hypnotize you during combat, very intimidating, give them an inch, and they take the whole thing. keeps their cool under pressure and while angry. my best training partner was mars in scorpio.