posted March 11, 2005 08:17 PM            

I went off the Pill for a week because I ran out and forgot to get some, and I felt more human again, because I ovulated.

I'm going to do a search around my local area for an astrology who can help me calcualte the sensitive time of the month when conception could occur. That's all I want to know, as I dont' trust myself to do it properly.

I suppose rely on intuition to find the right Astrologer, I think that's our best bet!

posted March 12, 2005 12:52 AM            

Linda was a bit "hopeful" on the "few days" of the month to avoid embracing in the Astrobiology section in Love Signs.

You must be aware that there are 2 Fertility Cycles each month. One is the Lunar Cycle, that is 90% fertile or more. This is the day that the Moon/Sun angle in your birth chart is repeated in the transiting Moon/Sun for the month. Example if you were born at the New Moon... each month, at the New Moon would be your astrological fertility cycle.

The second fertility cycle is the one they teach in Health Ed in school. That date is the one that is midway through your regular cycle. So, if you have a 28 day cycle (REGULARLY) Day 14 would be the fertile day.

Now there is a viability factor of approximately 72 hours for the sperm to be considered as well ...

So, if you want to really be SAFE and SANE, and use this as your method of birth control, and personally I feel it is better used to find good times for CONCEPTION...

If you take New Moon date as the astrological fertile day, I would refrain 3 days before and 2-3 after that day to be on the safe side.

THEN you would have to find your midway date (Day 14, in our example) and abstain 3 days before that and 2-3 days after.

THEN there are the exceptional cycles, where the astrological fertility date occurs DURING the menstrual period... and there have been cases where people have conceived at this time, though rare.

So you see.. it is best to NOT attempt to use this method for birth control unless you are prepared to abstain for approximately 2 weeks each month. (give or take a day)

Hope that makes a bit of sense.

Yes, I am an astrologer, I am also an RN and a male to boot, and medical astrology is a particular interest of mine. My personal suggestion.. unless you are very sure about the 2 fertile days that I referece above, and are willing to abstain the requisite number of days (due to the viability of the sperm) I would avoid this method for BIRTH CONTROL.

Blessings...
Aselzion, the opinionated Astrologer.

P.S. Harry Darling, MD has written the following in his excellent book Essentials of Medical Astrology: "Not so authentic is Linda Goodman's notion that only 5 days of abstinence per month is necessary. She is a lovely writer and her insights about Sun Signs are the best I have ever read, but she bases her statements on no authority, apparently, except an 'exceptionally enlightening' telephone conversation with him (Jonas) using an interpreter which, 'somewhat hampered' the conversation. Likely some of her readers will be exceptionally enlightened and somewhat hampered by pregnancy as a result."

posted March 12, 2005 01:17 AM            

You have been very helpful, as always!

posted March 12, 2005 06:55 AM            

Thanks!

I would be most disturbed if anyone tried Astrobiology as a birth control method without knowing ALL the ramifications first, then found themselves 'enlightened and hampered' by that unwanted pregnancy.

In the Light...
A

posted March 18, 2005 11:24 PM            

By ramifications I meant that one must be aware that: 1) there are 2 fertility dates each month.

2) That conception CAN occur during menstruation.

3) That you must use the correct Sun/Moon angle in the sky that duplicates the Sun/Moon distance in the woman's nativity.

4) Due to viability of the sperm, 3 days should be added prior to (and following)BOTH of the "fertile days".

If all of these factors are not taken into account, then your results would be less than optimal and could result in an unwanted pregnancy.

Essentials of Medical Astrology only mentions the fertility issue in brief, and would not be sufficient for your purposes. There is a book by Ostrander and Schroeder called: Astrological Birth Control that was published in 1972, and has been out of print that may still be available if you search on the Internet (I'd try alibris or possibly e-bay). That would be much more helpful. Darling's Essentials is primarily for people with some basic knowledge of medicine and astrology.

March and McEvers wrote a book called: The Only Way to Learn Horary and Electional Astrology that devotes a chapter to this topic. That book may still be in print and more readily available. (try amazon.com or alibris)

Like myself, they don't really recommend this method so much for birth CONTROL as they do for helping seemingly infertile women achieve conception.

Best Wishes...
A

posted March 31, 2005 09:56 AM            

I've tried to find information on Neem capsules, for instance, but there is very little. An old thread in H&H was written by a woman who took Neem orally and believed it prevented pregnancy.

I went off the pill...for all the right reasons. Went back on and immediately felt mood swings and started gaining weight. So I think I am done with the pill.

posted April 29, 2005 04:11 PM            

Sorry I haven't been to this thread for a while, new job, mom's passing, new diet and exercise regime... been a bit hectic!

So.. as to the herbal question... I don't know of any herbal way to control birth in the same way as "the pill". But I do have a friend that is a certified herbalist and I can ask her opinion. I would hazard to guess that there are more "morning after pill" sort of applications.

In terms of the question about how can the Sun/Moon be in 45d33m aspect each month. EXAMPLE: If the BIRTH Sun were in 0 degrees of Aries say, and the Moon is in 15Taurus33 that 45d33m aspect is in effect.

EACH MONTH when the SUN is in 0 degrees of the sign it is in, the Moon will repeat that aspect when it hits 15 degrees 33 minutes of the NEXT sign. (ex. Sun Leo/Moon Virgo; Sun Capricorn/Moon Aquarius) Does this make sense? So indeed, it will happen 12 times a year (if not 13).

Have to run at the moment (off to play tennis)... hope that helpa a wee bit!

In the Light...
A

posted May 01, 2005 09:26 PM            

I checked with my herbalist friend, and she has never heard of 'neem', and as I thought that there were more abortifacient herbs than herbal ways to prevent pregnancy.

The best way of, course would be abstinence at the fertile times. Failing that I think that condoms are a pretty safe second option. Beyond that, we are not saying there is NO other way to prevent pregnancy, we just don't happen to know of it if it exists.

I wish you well.

In the Light...
A

posted May 06, 2005 03:03 PM            

Thank you for asking your herbalist friend about birth control. Neem is an herb indigenous to India, and used for many things. As birth control it seems most effective to use it internally, before sex, though it's been written that it has a strong odor. I have heard some women take Neem orally, though there is very little written about it so far.

I'll find some links for you, A. Have to run, am at work, but I'll try to find time this weekend.

I hope you are well and enjoying your new regime. What diet are you following?

Oh! BTW, we were discussing a pic allegedly of Linda over in "Linda's Life." A website called ( I think) Libra Rising was posting a pic that they claimed was her...but none of us believed it was. Thorshammer kept a copy of it, and was hoping to get someone who knew Linda to take a look at it. I suggested you. But first we'll have to get it posted again.

posted May 06, 2005 08:49 PM            

Sure, I'd be happy to have a look... I did actually see the thread but not the picture.

Thanks for the kind words about my mother.

In terms of diet... I was doing a diet with a friend that had been recommended by a personal trainer at one time or another. Basically it was very restrictive of fat and carbs for 3 weeks, which supposedly boosts the metabolism. Then you find another less restrictive diet to follow after the completion of your third week. We also walked 5 times a week (weather and tiredness permitting).

Blessings...
A