posted April 25, 2005 04:06 PM              

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in the process, if i find a wonderful man to love, why not consider marriage and having a few good talks. besides, it is prohibited for a man and a woman to sit alone in a room and talk becoz its supposed to tempt them, but not in the presence of others etc. what do you think about these provisions?

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I know I know, and omg u all prolly think I'm some kinda muslim fanatic by now lol ...just wanna say, I agree with what u say, it's just about resisting temptation.

About u wanting to marry an arab and getting cursed for it...I really don't understand...nationality really shouldn't matter:S...I'm sorry to read abt this...

S-gal: Even if I do follow my religion, it won't mean that I can't live freely or independently. Religion just creates some rules and morals..not that hard to follow...and I thank God for having something to follow...religion only teaches us about purity and goodness.

posted April 25, 2005 04:19 PM              

Maya, I understand, I think this is about the extent of the delicate topic that I will discuss, it just sort of started as a tangent, and I dont think anyone meant to start it here as a separate topic, and I'm sure it will get lost in the depths of the Astro threads abyss sometime now...

posted April 27, 2005 09:57 AM              

I guess you need to change your friends...lol..(Don't do that but I think you are blaming your freinds.Not acceptable...lol)

I think I have been more than honest and open in this forum than anywhere else.I have mentioned about all the people and myself I can.You can know me by reading my posts.

Hey Cancnerrg I don't get this.Is this one of your emotional backmailing tactics...lol...If so stop using with me...lol..

GAL

posted April 27, 2005 01:05 PM              

dont worry , i wont .
cancers dont change thier friends normally . all thier relations are normally lasting , majority of them infact.

posted April 27, 2005 03:33 PM            

two steps forward, five steps back, now turn around, don't look down, block out the world, or post for the hell of it.

Non sequitor.

Um, scorpgal sort of asked me a question about a month ago which I just spotted (time? what's that?)...

I do care what people think, way way too much. And from time to time, I act on impulse and dont give a sh!t. Too Uranian for comfort. I speak the truth of the moment, and a moment later, I feel like a hipocrite.

I've got a stick up my ass right now about all the generalizations going on, but whatever. Its just that its so hard to know myself, I'm so many things. Ignorance is a pipe-dream.

Moon in the 1st - need attention, need to be liked, people pleaser, open book, wont/cant shut up... so much for being a Scorpio. Venus conjunct Sun: so much for loving conflict and making waves. Venus/Sun Conjunct Uranus: So much for being the warm, demonstratively loving son of a gunderson you always wanted to be.

posted May 04, 2005 09:08 AM              

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I do care what people think, way way too much. And from time to time, I act on impulse and dont give a sh!t.Too Uranian for comfort. I speak the truth of the moment, and a moment later, I feel like a hipocrite.
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Completely agrees....Any solutions???/

My Aries moon helps me to act on the impulse and till what extent I should trust others and think about them.Sometimes I would try to make everybody happy and every word somebody told me would be taken seriously resulting in stress and depression. Now I try to live with an attitude...It only matters if I believe in that.

GAL

posted May 04, 2005 09:18 AM              

To be honest I don't understand many scorpios and probabaly not have as my partner.( we never know about future but still ). As for me it is even when I want to express my feelings it just gets difficult.Sometimes I don't express my feelings just thinking that others won't unerstand or it's not important for them to know.I have to still experience lot more about which I can talk about.

If you feel I am being secretive ask more questions.

GAL

posted May 04, 2005 04:40 PM            

What does it mean to YOU?

But, seriously, I'm glad you asked.

I guess, to me, the initial oddity of a "cross" shaped like something other than a cross suggests the deeper significance of symbols, in this case, a cross. An appreciation for abstract thinking is central to my experience, and, consequently, my identity (Sun, Venus, & Pluto in the 9th).

The juxtaposition of two seemingly contrary symbols as hearts and crosses further signifies, for me, the stark polarity of the human condition. That these two things, hearts and crosses can not only exist side by side in nature, but, are actually interchangeable, interpenetrating, and interdependent, in a larger context.

It reminds me that, just as the individual is bound up with the collective in the experience of empathy, love is bound up with suffering in the experience of compassion. Empathy and compassion also seem to be very central to my experience and identity.

Also, it brings to mind the song Heart-Shaped Box, by my favorite band, Nirvana.

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HSC
Sun/Venus/Midheaven/Uranus (all within 3 degrees)
Aqua Moon in the 1st
Ascendant Cap, ruler in the 8th

posted May 04, 2005 04:51 PM            

ENANTIODROMIA:

The complimentarity of opposites.

posted May 04, 2005 04:56 PM              

honestly every time that i read your name it kinda made me uncomfortable. i kept trying to picture what was going on and couldn't. lol. and since im not christian (although ive extensively read western lit, heavily influenced by christianity), and am taking a christian thot comp. religion class, i still dont really get the 'feel' that i guess you would think that ur name would invoke in someone for whom the cross was truly symbolical. the heart, yes, is very symbolical for me, but still don't get whats going on. lol.

interesting, i have a stellium in house number 9; sun/merc/mars plus chiron and ceres. [my other stellium is house 2.]

i never really got how the stellium in 9 affected me. im not really sag-like in anything. im not blunt, im honest when i want to be and i think its warranted, i dont like travel although i like seeing new places (not really contradictory, coz i have motion sickness lol). i like reading, religion, philosophy, but thats about it....

could u explain further what exact affects you feel it has on u ? thanks

Love
SG

posted May 05, 2005 04:34 AM              

After really knowing your answer I can understand that completely. I think it explains more of Black and White nature, Good or bad what scorpios see in things and always try to have deeper understanding of human and not afraid to go any depths to understand them.

It was indeed nice explanation and it has lot of meaning to it.

posted May 09, 2005 11:36 AM            

I don't know how many Christians would relate to the notion of a heart-shaped cross. I interpret the teachings of Christ in a myriad of ways, and they don't always seem to agree. One moment, he seems to be saying that one cannot love without suffering, and, the next moment, he seems to suggest that love does not require sacrifice, but is a free gift, which need only be accepted. I think it is meant to depend on whoever is reading it, if you know what I mean. I've read many authors' opinions and interpretations of the Gospels, but I'm still trying to make up my own mind.

For the time being, these seemingly opposing symbols, hearts and crosses, are so bound-up together in my understanding, that I have yet to make any real sense of them. It is clear to me that Jesus chose to carry the cross and be crucified, but only because this was a necessary consequence of his choice to exemplify what he believed to be the truth of universal love; I think he was convinced that "There is no greater love than to lay down ones life for one's friends AND enemies." (the gospel just says "friends", but this is clearly contradicted by his teaching that "if one loves only those who love him/her, what reward is there in that? Rather, love your enemies; pray for those who persecute and abuse you..."

The reason Christ was rejected by his friends as well his enemies, is because he would neither lead a violent uprising against his oppressors (which he had the power to do), nor give in to their demands to stop preaching. His enemies turned on him because he loved his friends, and his friends turned on him because he loved his enemies. According to Jesus, this impartial love, which everybody rejects, is the highest commandment; "the love of God".

I think your stellium in the 9th explains your appreciation for philosophy and religion. I am blunt and all that, but I attribute that more to my mars/merc conjunction in Sag.

For me, having my Sun there makes me kind of idealistic and naive, with very optimistic hopes and dreams. I'm very interested in other cultures, in synthesizing different belief systems, and in finding and isolating the common thread. Venus in the 9th appreciates spiritual, philosophical, religious things, and makes me likely to marry someone from another culture. Venus is also retrograde, and that increases the appreciation for metaphysical (beyond the physical) beauty.

Having Pluto here is a big deal, too. It makes me very intuitive, and likely to hunger insatiably for some ultimate truth, which I may never find. When I think I've found something, I'm liable to get behind it with all my strength, but, every now and then, I begin to spot the holes in my belief system, and then I have to transcend it - hopefully not dismissing the truth I've found, but, rather, incorporating it into some larger scheme. (I'm just repeating the things I've read about this which ring especially true for me.)

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hsc

posted May 09, 2005 11:48 AM            

Thanks.

For me, the cross ceased to symbolize hatred the moment Christ willingly took his place upon it. At that moment, it was transformed, forever linked to the image of Christ himself, and, by extention, Christ-like (i.e. selfless) Love. (The word Christian could be understood to mean "Christ-like", but, as you know, few of those who we tend to think of as being Christians are especially Christ-like.)

The cross was originally intended as a instrument of torture. The extent of Christ's love (which, I believe, he would have wanted us to think of as God's love) transformed that obstacle into an opportunity. No instrument could have been more "instrumental" in bringing peace, love, forgiveness, and hope to so many people, than a supposed instrument of torture. Christ didnt just hold his arms wide open to the world, he consented to having them nailed that way.