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Topic: Aspect Patterns
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Eleanore
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From: Okinawa, Japan
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 01, 2005 03:23 PM
  
I was looking through the thread about Stelliums when I decided to look at my own chart. I have one stellium by degree and, if it is allowable, another one by sign. These would be composed of actual planets and luminaries. However, there are quite a number of other aspect patterns in my chart if it is possible to consider asteroids, PoF, Vertex, etc. So my question is, are these others actually strong enough influences to be able to include them in aspect patterns like Stelliums, Grand Trines, T-Squares, Grand Crosses, etc.? And if so, would the influence of, say, a Grand Cross with Mercury, Vesta, and PoF be as strong as a Stellium with Sun, Mercury, and Neptune?------------------
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Gemini Nymph
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posted April 01, 2005 04:58 PM
The only calculated point I'd *might* allow in a aspect pattern is the ASC, but I stress *might* - I'd have to see evidencec in the working to believe that such a configuration is acting like one with the bodies. The main difference between bodies - luminaries, planets, asteriods, fixed stars - and calculated points - angles, house cusps, nodes, midpoints, vertexes, Arabian parts, Black Moon Lilith - is that bodies are physically present and capable of emitting energy. Calculated points are merely points in space relative to your place and moment of birth that may or may not be occupied by a real, physical body that emits energy at that time. They are significant in that they are highly sensitive in unique ways by way of relation to the the bodies as they allign in our charts. So when energy from a body contacts that point it is colored or influenced in a special way. Hence why we pay attention to them. But alone, calculated points do not emit energy, and thus cannot contribute to the phenomenon of aspect configurations or patterns as we currently understand them. What makes these patterns special is that combining of various energies of different bodies into a unique mixture that expresses itself in a characteristic way. One way of looking at it is that it's a merging and consolidation of the energies, for better or worse. I might allow the ASC in some cases because it is such a powerful point in the chart - the angles are all very strong, and are capable of "pulling" energy from planets within the neighboring houses toward them, regardless of their distance by degree, and this is especially the cause with the ASC. But this is a highly intuitive call on these situations - it depends on which planet that is near the ASC and if there's cause to think that the ASC is pulling its energy into a aspect pattern- like phenomenon. However, other points, like nodes and vertexes, really are not powerful enough in terms of their influence over the planets' energy to have this same effect, so I would never consider them as part of a pattern. As for your possible stelliums - conjunction by sign alone does count, but it is not as "tight" a stellium as one by degree. Think of stelliums as buddies who do everything together - the tighter the orb, the tighter their connection to each other. When energy from another body affects one of these "buddies," it effect all of them. Withwider orbs, there's a connection, and the strong inclination for the energies to merge, but since these "friends" aren't as tight, there are times that other energies may interfer or influence different planets within the stellium differently or seperately from the rest. IP: Logged |
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posted April 01, 2005 05:02 PM
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Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
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posted April 01, 2005 05:25 PM
Gemini Nymph ~
Wow, what an outstanding description!Elenore ~
You mentioned Grand Crosses. I haven't seen much on the interpretation of that aspect, and I have a friend with TWO in his chart. Can you direct me to some good links? Thanks! IP: Logged |
Eleanore
Moderator Posts: 112
From: Okinawa, Japan
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 01, 2005 05:39 PM
Thanks, GeminiNymph! I figured they probably didn't count which I find relieving since otherwise I would be absolutely bombarded with major aspect patterns.  As for the stellium by sign alone, I also suspected it *didn't count but I've heard different things from different people and just wanted to make sure. Thanks, again.
*Edit - I just noted that I typed didn't instead of did. I was also going to say that I figured it probably wasn't as strong as a stellium by actual degrees. Weird, don't know where my head went on that one.
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Azalaksh
Honestly, I just started looking into this. I found this link on another thread here and I found it to be quite informative. http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/FAQS/AspectPatterns.html
The thread where I found this is titled Stelliums and is in this forum. There are some more links in that thread as well. If you find any more, please share. I'll start looking for some more, too.  ------------------
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Eleanore
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posted April 01, 2005 05:50 PM
Ok, I found these. I'm sure there's more lurking around the net somewhere, though, hehe.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/configurations.html
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-planetaryconfiguration.htm ------------------
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Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
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posted April 02, 2005 09:56 PM
Thanks Elenore! Those links were a big help, especially at therealastrology. They're on my desktop now so I can pass them on!------------------
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astro junkie
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posted April 06, 2005 11:11 AM
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