posted April 06, 2005 06:53 AM              

Have read that Saturn in 10th house is a tough placement.

What would you say about Saturn in retro at 0'05 in tenth house in virgo? The midheaven is at 4'31.

I have read that it has something to do with public acclaim so how does it make it difficult?

posted April 06, 2005 10:10 AM              

First, a Retrograde Saturn differs in motivation from direct. Primary Kewords: Direct-Responsible, Retro-Responsive. Direct is conditioned to take responsbility. Retro does so to ease the discomfort he absorbs from others--empathy.

Saturn in Virgo may take responsibility based on guilt--for guilt is his primary limitation. Intuition and/or empathy could either help or hinder success--if you let it. Boundaries are intended to move outward as you mature.

Saturn in the tenth gives a public image that is mature, responsible, authoritative, designed for success. Virgo, probably owner or manager of a service business.

posted April 06, 2005 11:03 AM              

It does makes sense somewhat if not completely. I do agree with retro saturn being responsive and being too rigid to let intuition guide you most of the times for better or worse.

posted April 06, 2005 12:14 PM              

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Have read that Saturn in 10th house is a tough placement.

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Would you like to trade it for rxSaturn in 8th (Taurus)?

posted April 06, 2005 01:15 PM            

Because, at the end of the day, astrology is just a way of recognizing potential. What you do with that potential is up to you.

What's your relationship like with your mom?

posted April 06, 2005 03:00 PM            

I would love to read the info on Saturn in 10th!!! I just ordered the book Saturn: a new look at an old devil by Liz Greene (thanks to LL people!) but since my Saturn conjunct with Venus in Scorp, this seems like I should be looking deeper into this aspect.

BTW my relationship with my mom is strong and close. Its been her and I all my life. During the teen years, we fought A LOT, but now we're very good. I'm actually working as her assistant now and its been great! She's a crazy Scorp with three planets in Scorp, so maybe that has to do with something.

posted April 06, 2005 06:52 PM              

Trillian, as far as I am concerned my relationship with my both parents have been 'alright' considering I am the only child, they have done everything they possibly could. I could not have asked for more loving and caring parents. Inspite of that my relationship with my mother was not smooth sailing during my childhood and teenage but it improved considerably as I matured. But then that is how with all mother-daughter relationship. At the end of the day we really care for each other.

Another person I know who has the Saturn in 10th house at the same degree as mine does not have good relationship with his parents. He is not exactly close to his mom and is definitely not close to his father.

Any info (as you must already know)regardless of being 'good' or 'bad' is much appreciated. It might just increase our awareness.

posted April 06, 2005 09:35 PM            

Now, as for Saturn in the 10th...what I'm going to tell you is one astrologer's interpretation, and that astrologer is Debbi Kempton-Smith. I always liked her, found her to be a straight-shooter, sometimes funny, sometimes acerbic, but who tried to put things in a language everyone could understand. That being said, she is still just one astrologer, and she would also concur that in a world of possibilities, the energies you have created for yourself (via your birth and horoscope) are up to you to do with as you will.

She makes a big distinction between Saturn in Cappy, and Saturn or Cappy associated with the 10th house.

So all of this is according to her (not me!).

Those with Saturn or Cappy associated with the 10th house do not like anyone to have power over them, and can have a visible mean streak. 'Course that mean streak is a boomarang, always coming back at them.

There are often problems with the parents, specifically the mother, or older parents, or the loss of a parent at an early age. As children, they may fear that Mother doesn't love them.

There is often a fear of success, and a fear of being bossed.

So long as they keep working on their problems with an open heart and mind, and don't succumb to a mean streak, success in life is guaranteed. Saturn, the Lord of Karma, will strip away their reputations when they are mean to people. Hitler is of course the most obvious example of this.

So there you go. Now don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player.

posted April 06, 2005 09:53 PM              

I was mean as a child but may be that was because I was only child so always wanted to get my way. I am no longer mean person as such.

Yeah, but I can be quite selfish at times.

Yes, I do want to be as independent as I can get esp in personal life, but it is alright if I have to follow orders at work.

posted April 06, 2005 10:53 PM              

Saturn(retro) sextile jupiter
Saturn(retro) square Asc
Saturn(retro) trine Merc Trine Chiron(retro)
Saturn(retro) trine VenusTrine Chiron(retro)

I am not sure though if Chiron can be considered in Trines?? Any idea??

posted April 07, 2005 02:16 AM            

Yeah, it's funny about the mean streak--I'm learning this lesson as we speak. I get frustrated in love and feel hurt. This leads to bouts of depression and self-pity. The bouts lead to "reacting" and lashing out onto the person and then they snap back at me (ultimately I feel worse)

But I turned 21 a few months ago, so maybe this is contributing to the Saturn stuff (isn't it every 7 years??)

posted April 07, 2005 07:06 AM              

I dug this up for you

Moon opposite Saturn
Life presents a vista of duty and obligation; it is viewed as a serious affair in which 'doing the right thing' becomes important, even if this means ignoring your feelings, instincts, and emotions... or so it seems to you. One result could have been a controlling of childhood feelings, exuberance, and enthusiasm, of not being allowed time for childish play and 'silliness', acting out imaginative fantasies, or refusing to conform.

By adult life, this may have consequences of moodiness, bleak depressions, and negativity. You may display emotional inflexibility, endure phases of stagnation, and have fears of people, experiences, and situations. If this occurs, it is symptomatic of unconscious emotional repression, which now influences your everyday consciousness and reality through interference. Sensing this repression, others may avoid closeness with you, as they sense that your social stiffness inhibits relationships; as your vibration is that of a loner, they may feel uncomfortable.

Negative attitudes can become restrictive and limiting; opportunities can be lost through refusing to take chances, or relationships denied through social unease or fear of emotional intimacy. If you can redirect your attitudes in a more positive and constructive direction, things will open up; making such a shift is likely to prove diffivult, yet, if achieved, will be highly rewarding.

Clarifying your life direction is important, enabling energies to be targeted at achieving specific personal aims. While the 'duty and obligation' program dominates you, there can be antagonism toward authority figures such as employers or managers, especially if they provoke your feelings or wound your sensitivity. If you chose not to become self-employed, then work related to medicine, research, social welfare, community service, law, or government may attract.

Relationships can prove problematic. You find difficulty letting down your emotional drawbridge to others, and struggle to express feelings. Sometimes embryonic relationships are destroyed by your allowing previous relationship experiences to interfere, by prejudging people according to past disillusionments. Emotions are protected; and this can prevent intimacy from developing. Older partners may attract, as may those who display a maturity which you believe you lack.

Be careful of becoming dependent on others. It may be inevitable that you fall in love with someone who displays affection but not love for you. This leaves you emotionally vulnerable; and powerful but painful feelings are encountered. Such experiences could prove uncomfortable and traumatic, yet releasing emotions is the healthiest action. If a relationship develops, then you may become less defensive, and your hidden potential may unfold with a loving partner.

posted April 08, 2005 12:01 PM              

zoso -

I also have that Moon Opposition Saturn, the b!tch of them all -

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Relationships can prove problematic. You find difficulty letting down your emotional drawbridge to others, and struggle to express feelings. Sometimes embryonic relationships are destroyed by your allowing previous relationship experiences to interfere, by prejudging people according to past disillusionments. Emotions are protected; and this can prevent intimacy from developing. Older partners may attract, as may those who display a maturity which you believe you lack.

Be careful of becoming dependent on others. It may be inevitable that you fall in love with someone who displays affection but not love for you. This leaves you emotionally vulnerable; and powerful but painful feelings are encountered. Such experiences could prove uncomfortable and traumatic, yet releasing emotions is the healthiest action. If a relationship develops, then you may become less defensive, and your hidden potential may unfold with a loving partner.

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(Natasha - now you know why I can relate to your struggle with "romance" ...)

posted April 09, 2005 02:38 AM            

Razz are you saying that your Saturn is 0 degrees and the MC is 4 degrees? if so that makes Saturn conjunct the MC but in the 9th house.

posted April 09, 2005 08:13 AM              

So, lalinda, my saturn is actually in 9th house although it conjuncts MC. I have Rx saturn.
So it is Rx saturn in 9th house conjunct MC. (I hope I have got it right this time.)

I also have Rx Mars in the 9th house in Leo at 8'31. What would Rx saturn and Rx Mars in the same house implicate, although they both have different signs?

I guess it would mean having big quiestions about religion, God, spritualism and higher knowledge.