posted July 02, 2005 10:38 AM              

And yes, great idea if one is planning a verbose (does a Gem Sun EVER plan to NOT be verbose??) reply to do so in Word first.

posted July 02, 2005 12:02 PM            

May I run your chart so I can save it for future reference to your aspects? My email is at my Profile if you don’t want to post your stats here……..

You wrote ”The deeper aspects of my Scorpio Asc like intensity on levels below the surface. It was a stunning day when I realized that not everyone could think so deeply or intuit so easily…..Watery people look beyond...naturally.” I’m with you there, and that day for me was really not that long ago…….it was only when I started delving deeper (again) into astrology – have been studying it off and on for 30 years now – that it came to me and the light-bulb flashed on: I am DIFFERENT from those others! Why? Still don’t have a complete answer to that, probably never will. I mostly live on “levels below the surface” – it’s like a constant, unconscious (most of the time) process to find the deeper meanings of whatever/whoever I am in contact with. This is not to say I spend time and effort endlessly psychoanalyzing everything – I don’t – I’m much too focused on exploring the feelings evoked, and am content to just feel things and let them just BE without an intellectual compulsion to tag every feeling with a name (Neptune in Libra in III?)…….

I feel sympathy for your Lioness friend. I often have a knee-jerk reaction to behavior like this ”I asked her how she could walk into a room and NOT notice the happenings..people, mood, placements...She said she walks in and notices NOTHING. What??” – in that I wonder the same thing as you (judging people by my own essence is not wise, but who said I was wise?!?). I have to consciously keep telling myself that people like her have their own charts to live out: the challenges, skills, faults, virtues, desires, that are totally different than mine. For some reason, it has taken a long time for this to sink in for me……..I have a Taurus friend with Aqua Rising and Moon in Libra. She has Venus and Uranus in Cancer. She can “case” a room twice as fast and twice as deeply as I do – LOL!!! But she is an extreme extrovert and a real people-person, where I am normally more reserved and tend to hang back and observe a bit before I dive in.

More on your Leo friend ” I dunno...just been frustrated lately and not knowing how else to be with someone who seems to stay in a selfish/self-centered mode. I have known her for 25 years...and she enjoys being a 'victim' and the attention of ANYONE satifies her need to be recognized.” Not knowing the rest of her chart, it is difficult to imagine a Leo “victim”, at least being one for any great length of time. The unwillingness of others to move out of unproductive ruts just frustrates the hell out of me sometimes!!! I have read that my Pluto in XII makes huge life-changing transformations easier for the natives than for most others, so that’s probably one reason why I find it difficult to understand why people stay in a negative situation/environment/frame of mind. I have a long way to go before I can come to a more tolerant point of view regarding a fear of change – although it took me a long time to evolve to the perspective I hold now…….this is a fault that I am working on in myself, just as I have to consciously work on the incomprehension I naturally feel about people who, for whatever reason, do not wish to delve below surface appearances. I thrive on diving! I took scuba diving lessons years ago, and felt like I had really come home!!!

” So here is my question: Why is it difficult for other types...fire, etc...to want/desire to seek deeper depths in others? Without that, the connection with others lacks something...it just seems superficial at times. And that appears quite satisfactory to them. How could that be satisfying? What do you think?” Speaking from that serene cloud I sometimes inhabit which is furnished with a lovely soapbox, I must pass on the Bucket Analogy: You can fill a thimble with water and you can fill a bucket with water. The thimble feels full, it doesn’t feel like it’s lacking anything, but the fact remains that the bucket can hold more water. Does that help?!? And no, I do NOT find superficiality satisfying, and never will, I will always desire the depth which is lacking and I will move on. I have been known to make people cross the road to the other side to avoid my probing at their feelings and motives! The people who remain my friends appreciate the depths of connection that are possible with a deep and honest exploration of one’s feelings.

Verbosely,
{{Love and Hugs}}
‘Zala

posted July 02, 2005 12:57 PM              

What IS THE DEAL??? I have never had this much trouble with LLand...

And yes, it was another LONG post...and another GREAT reply...

posted July 02, 2005 01:03 PM              

I will reply again later after lunch! Come on over...I guess I better feed these internet-gods-that-be too...even if I am mad at them...Grrrrr...

posted July 02, 2005 01:46 PM              

Taking phone calls in between as well!

Ok-just a quick thought on your previous post....I too have a difficult time in accepting that other people must live out the lessons of their charts. What baffles me is the fact that so many people do not want to grow...they are often not self-reflective. Isn't that the point of living your life? Improving and growing to a better you? Evolving into our Greater being!!

(Sorry..I have been trying to finish and post and keep being interrupted by the ringing phone....music to my Gemini ears!)

Any interesting transits for me?? Glad to have completed the Tr. Saturn conjunction with Merc and Moon over the last multiple months...thoughts?

posted July 02, 2005 01:53 PM            

I posted a pic for you over here..... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/004975-7.html
Have to make lunch for my small Aries/Leo/Leo Bottomless Pit (my son) -- I'll come back in awhile.....

posted July 02, 2005 02:11 PM              

Now just throw in my long blonde curly hair and I'm good to go!

Have a tasty lunch with the human bottomless pit...where does all of that food actually disappear to??

posted July 04, 2005 04:30 PM            

(I’m calling you that because you are a pearl of great price and because of your pearls of wisdom! )

You wondered where all of that food disappears to in relation to my 9yo Bottomless Pit?!? Beats the heck out of me, he’s skinny as a rail! Probably just to feed that seemingly endless boyish energy…….

Saw you were online giving steelrose some “there-there’s” about her Saturn Return. Sometimes I wonder why astro-people get so freaked about it? The only thing I recall was breaking up with a guy – where’s the terror in that? And we all have different Saturn Returns, do we not? Some people’s natal positions will get tickled a lot more than other people’s……and some people will have multiple challenging transits along with the Saturn one, where others do not…….and it seems sometimes that people blame all the unresolved issues in their lives when they are 28-30 on Bad Old Devil Saturn. I'm thinkin it's a chicken/egg thing.....

Am very interested in the Magi Astrology interps you’ve done for her. Would you be willing to give me a taste of mine & put your reply here? Thx 1,000,000 you are an !!!

{{loves & hugs}}
‘Zala

posted July 04, 2005 06:22 PM              

I'd love to check it against the time of your separation/divorce dates...also the birthdate of the person you were married to...and the wedding date. These special dates correlate really well in Magi and it is ALWAYS fascinating to read what comes up!!

Before I reply, once the dates are given, let me know if you would rather I send them to your on a personal email...that is what I did with Steelrose. Lots of folks here are not very familiar with Magi astrology....it is a lot to get into and makes it confusing for people just learning.

As far as evolving to a Greater Being...my friend (guy) has been living in a rut situation for quite some time and I am hoping his Uranus conjunction ASC Pis 10'43
gives him a good shake or two...or three...hee,hee.

It frustrates me to see friends who convince themselves that there is no alternative other than to just exist....vs LIVING.
BIG difference I believe...

It is even harder to discuss it with others who refuse to open their minds to greater possibilities and self-examination. If Ihad listened to my father's 1950s attitudes that he tried to force on me, I wouldn't have half of what I have...and I would be half the woman I am now for not pushing past the status quo.

OK-send over the dates..I will get working on it...good distraction for me today...not sure why I feel so quiet...everyone is doing things with their families...and I am 'over' the family thing of late. That time of month must have me a bit blue today....

posted July 04, 2005 06:30 PM            

Have been to the Magi Astrology website but have not studied in-depth by any means. Got their book about "Success, etc" but haven't read it yet.....

Can I email you the dates? Thanks again!

posted July 05, 2005 10:57 AM            

Had a good long read last night and will get back to you on that later.....

But for now, you wrote: "It is even harder to discuss it with others who refuse to open their minds to greater possibilities and self-examination. If Ihad listened to my father's 1950s attitudes that he tried to force on me, I wouldn't have half of what I have...and I would be half the woman I am now for not pushing past the status quo."
And:
"As far as evolving to a Greater Being...my friend (guy) has been living in a rut situation for quite some time and I am hoping his Uranus conjunction ASC Pis 10'43
gives him a good shake or two...or three...hee,hee.
It frustrates me to see friends who convince themselves that there is no alternative other than to just exist....vs LIVING.
BIG difference I believe..."

Would love to have some discussions on possible astro-bases for the above. Would you consider sending me Dr Pisces stats (now, you said Pisces Asc & Moon, but where is Sun?) so I could take a look at some of his natal/transiting challenges? I share your hope about his sunarU conj Asc (I get tired of Uranus jokes so I'm calling it Herschel or spelling it backwards ) maybe blasting him out of his rut with one of those Uranian lightning bolts! As we know, sunarU rules Electricity!!!

I will bend some of my energies in that direction, and as I have a little room on my New Moon Wishes list (due tomorrow! see my thread over here http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005545.html ), I'll add that wish on.....

Thanks again for the Magi stuff, I'm even more intrigued than I was before, will probably have to break down and get the software for myself! It's another promising tool for my astro-toolbox!