posted January 24, 2006 01:45 PM            

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When we study transiting midpoints things really start coming together. A transiting midpoint is a place equidistant between any two transiting bodies. These are the hidden transits and without them we do not have a complete picture of the transits in operation at any given time. We locate the positions of the midpoints that are transiting in the same way as we do for a natal chart.

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Any ideas/comments from the advanced sector?? Anyone doing this??
Thanks!

posted January 24, 2006 02:11 PM              

Yes! Another shade within a shade.

Hope you can cut through it.

posted January 24, 2006 02:34 PM              

Midpoints seem to be a newer thing which astrologists are beginning to incorporate as important points within a chart. The idea of 'transiting' midpoints may be studied even less however, perhaps an additional layer that reflects the actions of the larger planets!!

How exciting you found this book!! I personally have begun to incorporate mid-points when studying synastry between two people and interested in their predictive elements as well!

Has anyone else here in LindaLand used mid-points? The mid-point chart can be easily accessed at astro.com. Simply ask if you are not familiar where to find your midpoint chart...it is located in a different section (under Pullen/Astrolog). The mid-point chart is a choice in the drop-down menu on that page.

How about an interpretation of the famous Sun/Moon midpoint and it's transit to say: Venus?? Is that available Zala??

Thanks to you my buddy!

posted January 24, 2006 03:03 PM            

The book I have is only for Chiron, so alas, I cannot do your vaunted SU/MOt = VE interp (gotta learn these new abbreviations/lingo!! the way that's written above means Transiting Sun/Moon midpoint conjunct Venus). When I'm off work in a few hours I'll put up jpegs of a few of the illustrations/lists with suggested interps.....

posted January 24, 2006 08:09 PM            

Here's a few pages from the book:

posted January 24, 2006 08:37 PM              

Have we tried any of these yet? Are there examples of these in real Charts?

I can think of a couple of things I'd like to look at with my current Transits.

posted January 24, 2006 09:46 PM              

Zoinkers is RIGHT AJ!! WOW...I will have to look at a few things in charts as well...that was a great example you gave and perhaps between AJ, you and myself, we can find a few that will be easy to remember!!

Great Work K'Zala!!

posted January 25, 2006 12:41 AM              

Perhaps I would look at any MAJOR planets which are NOW transiting (or about to) and look to see if any of the transiting midpoints will hit somewhere near the exact date of the major planet happening. Did that make sense??? Like a Mars, Uranus or Pluto MP conjunction on that point....

Try it out...I will look at some tomorrow on my end!! Let is know what you find out!

posted January 25, 2006 06:15 AM            

Midpoint Pictures and Planetary Combinations

Midpoint Pictures2

Astrological Program for Midpoints

posted January 25, 2006 07:26 AM              

I didn't heard about transiting midpoints (MP)to natal chart, but definitely I will have a look to my own.

Just recently I've noticed that some of my natal MPs was always activated by transits of other planets during my major events in life. The most importants are SU/VE, SU/MO, VE/MA, MO/MA, MO/NN and VE/NN. Maybe because in my natal chart I have Moon only by few degrees by Venus these MPs are near by eachother, so are more strong and always "something" must be around! What is funny to me, is that I have on these MPs some asteroids, and first I "blame" them, then I realized all are linked somehow!

I want to add that in my case, these MPs are strong in sinastry as well, like the other person has a personsal planet on my MP.

Honestly I didn't checked Saturn or Jupiter or other heavy planets, but for sure they are important too, only that if you are not aware, is hard to notice SO many things!!!

Now I will look to transiting MPs!

posted January 25, 2006 11:41 AM              

Of all the Midpoint "Signatures" listed in Azalaksh's post, I chose "SU/SA - crises or illness".

So I took the current Sign and Degrees of Transiting Sun & Saturn, entered the info into the Midpoint Calculator at www.noendpress.com/pvachier/midpoints/index.php, and it came up with a Midpoint of Scorpio 6.29 Degrees.

I then looked at my Natal Chart to see if any of my Natal placements came close to Scorpio 6.29 Degrees, and found that it is within 4 Degrees of my Mercury & Neptune in Scorpio. It is about 6 Degrees from my Mars in Scorpio. (I have a Scorpio Stellium).

I used that particular "crisis" Signature because of something that's going on in my life right now which is requiring me to use formidable assertiveness on my own behalf. For the Midpoint to be so close to my Scorpio Stellium makes a VERY STRONG case of the validity of Transiting Midpoints, in my mind.

What do ya'll think? Is this the idea?

I'm not satisfied with just ONE test. I'm gonna try another one....

posted January 25, 2006 12:09 PM              

The current Midpoint of Transiting Venus & Saturn is Libra 27.57 Degrees. I look to my Natal Chart to see if anything is close to Libra 27.57. The closest thing is 4 Degrees away - my Mars in Scorpio at 0.50 Degrees. My Mars AGAIN! - part of my Stellium.

Too weird!

Gotta try another!

posted January 25, 2006 01:16 PM              

What you are looking at is the 'transiting' midpoint (obviously it is always moving...in transit) and checking if there are any planets or significant angles (ASC, IC etc...) somewhere within range!

Awesome! I just got back from lunch so I am going to check on a few for myself!!

TOO COOL!

posted January 25, 2006 03:49 PM              

Do you have a list of more of those Signature? Thanks.

posted January 25, 2006 05:56 PM            

I'll look thru the book -- haven't finished reading it yet.....some of it is so far over my head that it's incomprehensible -- meant for professional astrologers.....
Will post what I find

And GemStar's note was helpful, in that the transiting midpoint is *always* a moving target, unless you're talking PL/NE which shouldn't change much over a couple days or even weeks.....

posted February 10, 2006 10:17 AM              

you can get your current solar arc chart from astro.com by going to extended chart selection and choosing natal, progressions, and solar arc combined under type of chart.

here's a snippet of an article on midpoints by basil fearrington (i really dig his stuff)...i had the article bookmarked but i can't find the link right now...i copied and pasted part of this article to a friend however, so here is part of that:

Midpoints

The study of midpoints is considered to be an advanced topic in astrology although it is a technique that, to many, is indispensable. Basically speaking, the idea is that the point that is at the exact midpoint of the shortest distance between two positions in a horoscope is a point that acts as an important catalyst to the modification of
the two positions when it receives hard aspect contact.

For example, if Venus is at 0 degrees Aries and Mars is at 0 degrees Taurus, there are 30 degrees separating them. The midpoint position would be at 15 degrees Aries. Any planet (or the Node, Midheaven or Ascendant) that aspects that point within two degrees by conjunction, semi-square, square, sesquiquadrate, opposition, and probably by the newly rediscovered quindecile, is considered to be "at" the midpoint of Venus and Mars.

The nomenclature for this is X=A/B where X is the planet or the position making contact to the midpoint position of A and B. The nomenclature for Saturn making contact to the midpoint of Venus and Mars is written as follows: §=¤/¥. This is known as a midpoint "picture." What this is telling us is that Saturn makes aspect contact (the equals sign) to the midpoint of (the slash takes the place of the phrase [midpoint of]) Venus and Mars. You can also say, "Saturn is at the Venus/Mars midpoint."

How do you interpret Saturn at the Venus/Mars midpoint? First, interpret the pair on the right side of the equation. The intrinsically slower-moving planet will always modify the other planet in the pair. In this case, Mars, with all of its assertiveness and energy stirs up Venus, which represents the way one needs to relate to others, especially when it comes to romance and sex. In short, the Venus/Mars midpoint refers to passion. Saturn would act to control the passion through frustrations, inhibitions, etc. If the aspecting planet is Jupiter, the passion is expanded to a level of fulfillment that expands one's being. Mercury's contact would suggest thinking or talking about passion. Uranus would intensify it, et cetera.

Many people study astrology for a very long time and do not realize that when two planets are in aspect, it is the planet that is farthest from the Sun that modifies the symbolism of the planet that it makes aspect contact to. For example, we are accustomed to saying, "Mercury square Neptune" when in fact, it is really Neptune square Mercury.
Think about it. What does this aspect suggest? The need to think and communicate is in tension with creative visualization. In other words, everything that you know about the symbols of Mercury and Neptune are
at odds with each other. There can be manifestations of daydreaming, fantasy, loss of focus, creativity, deception, etc. All of these words are descriptions of Neptune influencing Mercury. So in reality, it is Neptune that is calling the shots in this relationship. Neptune is squarING Mercury. This is what is implied in the statement, Mercury square Neptune.

and here is some information on solar arcs:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-techniques/solar-arcs.php

let me give an over-simplified example. let's say you have your natal sun at 10° capricorn. let us then say that your progressed sun is at 20° capricorn. the difference is 10°, and that is the amount that you would then add to ALL other planetary positions in your natal chart. for instance, if your natal pluto is at 15° virgo, you would then add that 10° amount to its natal position and come up with 25° virgo. you do that to all the planets, the AC & MC, and the nodal axis for starters.

then once you get your solar arc chart set up (and of course you do not have to do this by hand, astrodienst does it for you), you would also want to have your handy list of all your natal midpoints, and that can be obtained from astro.com as well, i believe someone else already mentioned how to do this, but...i think you just go to extended chart selection and then select pullen/astrolog where it says please select a group. then under type of chart you just select aspect/midpoint grid chart.

anyways, then having your solar arc chart and your midpoint thingie youd want to see if any planets are arcing to any natal midpoints. also just your natal planets and points like AC & MC and node. only hard aspects are used -- the conjunction, opposition, square, semisquare, and sesquiquadrate. also, only exact aspects are used. this is done to time events. noel tyl has an EXCELLENT book called "Solar Arcs -- Astrology's Most Successful Prediction System", and i HIGHLY recommend it. its a little more advanced, but definitely worth the time it takes to get through.

here is a link to a great article:
http://artcharts.com/catalog/samples/solar_arc_m_stewart.html

anyway, hope this helps!

oh, i wanted to add that i just ordered noel tyl's book and should be getting it today or tomorrow. i will check my solar arc chart and midpoints and see what noel's book says (it gives all the interps) and share if this resonates. i already know that my solar arc moon will have arced to 2° 0 minutes of aquarius by my birthday this year (march 19). my natal sun-jupiter midpoint is 2° 35 minutes aquarius. i think when an arc is 1° away from being exact this equates to a year, and so half a degree should be around 6 months. so 6 months from my birthday solar arc moon will be conjunct my sun-jupiter midpoint. oh, i just checked through astro.com and it's true! on september 19, 2006 my solar arc moon will be at 2° 30 minutes of aqua! i do not really have any info on what this means yet, but when i get my noel tyl book i will share.

if anyone else wants to check their solar arcs and their midpoints (or natal planets/points for that matter) and see if anything has arced to exact aspect (conjunction, opposition, square, semisquare, sesquiquadrate) with a natal planet, a natal point (like the AC or MC), or a natal midpoint combo, i will check noel's book when i get it and provide info on meaning and we'll see if it matched up with what you're going through!

posted February 10, 2006 11:07 AM              

anyway, just found this good thread while doing a search on sun/jupiter midpoint. i gather it's supposed to signify good fortune or some such. with the solar arc moon modifying it, maybe i can finally look forward to an emotionally happy time!

http://www.nodeorama.com/viewtopic.php?pid=29645

-c

posted February 10, 2006 01:16 PM              

and i just came across on noel's site the key phrase for the moon/pluto midpoint, emotional intensity!
http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/001230.html

i checked his midpoints, and my asc falls directly on his merc/mars midpoint. my pluto is on his sun/node midpoint (he was born at the time of an eclipse, he actually has sun conjunct NN by 2°, and my pluto falls on the degree in between the 2).

anyway, interesting!

cant wait to get that book.