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Topic: death of parent in a chart?
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shop22much Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted February 22, 2006 07:15 AM
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lalalinda Moderator Posts: 5107 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 22, 2006 10:28 AM
This is not the only aspect nor does it always mean deathSaturn conjunct the Sun, especially if Saturn is a couple of degrees ahead of the Sun. Each degree would represent a year (by progression) so if Saturn is 2 degrees ahead of the Sun it will take 2 years for the aspect to reach exact and could show the death of the father at age 2. There will be several strong aspects to this, the Sun conjunct Saturn alone is not enough. The 10th/4th house will also be afflicted. Predicting death is not something that should be trifled with because it's always possible that you could make a mistake and negative thoughts bring negative actions IP: Logged |
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posted February 22, 2006 11:43 AM
Hi Shop22much,I read somewhere that Pluto in the 4th can indicate 'early loss of father' - which has actually happened to me in two respects - once when my dad returned to Japan before i was born, and a second time when i was 10 and my adoptive dad died. Tho I am sure you will equally find loads of people with this placement that it hasn't happened to even once, so try not to dwell on it and worry. (both of these events have made my life a lot more interesting in any case, sad as they may sound. So do not fear Mr Pluto! Ask him round for a cup of tea and a chat. It'll be enlightening! ) IP: Logged |
hippichick Knowflake Posts: 3396 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted February 22, 2006 01:24 PM
I read somewhere that sun in the eighth denotes the absence of the father at an early age, could be physical as in death, emotional, etc....This has proven itself for me and so many birth charts I have read. It is always an absence of some sort, sometimes emotionally, but usually physical, like the dad leaving the child with the mom at an early age and never showing up again. My 14 year old has her aqua sun in the 8th, and her dad took his own life when she was 9... Food for thought. IP: Logged |
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posted February 22, 2006 01:27 PM
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Mama Mia Knowflake Posts: 137 From: Registered: Feb 2010
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posted February 22, 2006 01:30 PM
hmmmm That is interesting that you would mention the Pluto in the 4th house. A friend of mines mom died when he was 20 years old he has Pluto in the 4th. I still consider 20 young that is a time when a man really needs his mom for guidence.. Also Hippi my oldest boy who is 14 has Sun in Leo in the 8th house and his dad went away when he was 6 months,he is back in his life now but when he really returned my son was 11... IP: Logged |
hippichick Knowflake Posts: 3396 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted February 22, 2006 01:52 PM
Mama: How involved is he in your son's life (the dad?) I ask because from what I have seen sun in the 8th always shows some kind of "abandonment" or atleast detachment from the dad. The adults I know with sun in the 8th who have dads in their lives are just about that, "dads" to varying degrees, not really "fathers......"Iqhunk PS.... I checked out PF and Wizard of Oz.... All I can say is...........chills................. IP: Logged |
amisha121877 Knowflake Posts: 58 From: NJ, USA Registered: May 2013
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posted February 22, 2006 01:57 PM
this is an interesting topic - i don't have any of the mentioned placements, etc. but my dad hasn't been "in my life" since I was about 6 and my mom died in 1998 - we were separated from one another since i was about 9 or 10 but got together in 1996-1998. the thing is - my relationship with either parent wasn't "stable" at all. i don't think it ever was. all that to say - now i'm curious to know if this is all in the chart too. IP: Logged |
apollo861 Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: May 2010
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posted February 22, 2006 02:11 PM
house rulers. 4th or 10th in 8th or 12th. 8th in 4th or 10th. of course, that is not that easily verified... IP: Logged |
FT_Tam unregistered
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posted February 22, 2006 02:30 PM
One other thing..In some literature, there seems to be some disagreement over whether the 4th and 10th houses are the mother and father respectively (that's the 'traditional' view, isn't it..?), or whether these should be the other way round in some respects. (Confused? I am! Maybe someone in the know like Tim can clarify..?) I always thought 10th was father/career, but that particular reading of Pluto in the 4th seems to indicate the opposite.. (it also suggests regular domestic upheavals and problems with plumbing apparently.. Mamma Mia, does the friend you mentioned also have these? I haven't really yet ...but there's still time ) Found this quote on the fourth/parents: "The sign on the cusp and the planets in this [the 4th] house describe our nurturing parent. Some say it is the mother in a man's chart and the father in a woman's. I have found it depends on the individual chart, for the fourth and tenth houses together represent the parental complex." ~cheers! IP: Logged |
Mama Mia Knowflake Posts: 137 From: Registered: Feb 2010
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posted February 22, 2006 02:45 PM
Hippi: to answer your question no he is not what he should be to our son, my son goes to his house almost every other weekend but I still see where he is not stepping up to the plate atleast emotionally like he should. I rather him be about that more so then financially. FT_Tam: Yes my friend seems to have domestic issues.. IP: Logged |
Scorpionic Web Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Philadelphia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 22, 2006 02:49 PM
In Linda's "Love Signs", she writes of Capricorn being the sign of the father and Scorpio being the sign of death. She states that there is an increased chance of the death of a father when a Capricorn and a Scorpio are in love.I was in a deep-love relationship with a Capricorn girl when my dad died. Reading about this in the Cap/Scorp section of Love Signs is what initially sparked my interest in astrology. IP: Logged |
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posted February 22, 2006 03:10 PM
Hmm, that's is interesting Scorpionic_Web(I was with a Scorp n in lurve for a long time.. although my dad (also a scorp) died some 8 years prior to that! I'm a cappy, btw) Shop22much - do you mind me asking why you were wondering about this in the first place...? IP: Logged |
amisha121877 Knowflake Posts: 58 From: NJ, USA Registered: May 2013
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posted February 22, 2006 03:46 PM
Scorpionic Web - WOW! Now what you said might be leading to something, in my case.my mom was a Sun Scorpio and my dad is a Sun Capricorn. The sign on the cusp of my 4th house is Scorpio. Capricorn is on the cusp of my 6th house. Taurus is on the cusp of my 10th house. ??? A guy with Capricorn rising got my attention the last year of my mom's life. i've been falling in love with him over and over again ever since. IP: Logged |
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posted February 22, 2006 05:09 PM
FT,You said: quote: In some literature, there seems to be some disagreement over whether the 4th and 10th houses are the mother and father... (Confused? I am! Maybe someone in the know like Tim can clarify..?)
My thought on it is the 4th house represents the "nurturing parent" and the 10th house represents the "structuring parent". Notice that today, with the lack of "traditional" roles, a parent can switch back and forth between these two roles. For example, a mother could be kind and gentle to her son after he skinned his knee (nurturing), and then send the boy to his room as punishment once she finds out he skinned his knee because he started a fight (structuring)! I have a problem with associating one person to each of these areas all the time, since a chart only represents how we the person SEES the world, not how the world actually "is". A very strict father could seem to be "nurturing" to one person; while a very kind, gentle mother could seem strict and "structuring" to another person. As a result, I think of the 4th house as where (and with whom) we seek "comfort" and the 10th house as where (and with whom) we "face the world". Comfortably structured, Tim IP: Logged |
Kat unregistered
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posted February 22, 2006 05:44 PM
I heard that moon in the 8th house could indicate early loss of a mother (before the age of 40.)IP: Logged |
sthenri unregistered
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posted February 22, 2006 07:36 PM
My ex has Pluto in the 4th and his father, Libra, left his family for his secretary another Libra, now has a second life. None of his siblings have children and are single or divorced, his only child was lost in a custody battle with his ex. He is incredibly good at caretaking.My sister has Sun in the 8th and she and father were never close, she felt emotionally abandoned by some of our family because of her dark hair and eyes. My moon is in the 8th (which made for some moody drama with sister and I) My mother and I don't speak at all, as we were never close. I realized she would never stop drinking and have tried to cut her out of my life since. I never speak of her or to anyone about her. To me she is considered gone. My sister is motherly enough with two children and she worries all the time, is stable. I know I did the right thing as I have met others with terrible mothers and the relationship is destructive. So if that helps, I say yes the Pluto in the 4th has been accurate with others I have looked at, and Sun in the 8th is always at least fiercely independent and able to take care of him or herself. Sun in the 8th likes to have children and take care others not the other way around. I could say a ton about my sister and I, her sun in the 8th, me moon in the 8th and mothers. Moon in the 8th likes order and structure without having to create it-so Mothers have to be strong and structured. Sun in the 8th wants to be boss in the world and can accept chaos at home. Natasha
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lalalinda Moderator Posts: 5107 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 22, 2006 10:44 PM
I thought the question was for a natal aspect and not a planet/house placement, that is so vague. I'm getting disgusted with this thread so goodbye sorry must be PMS IP: Logged |
amisha121877 Knowflake Posts: 58 From: NJ, USA Registered: May 2013
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posted February 23, 2006 02:30 PM
ANYWAY lala - how about moon opposition pluto saturn conjunct ascendant maybe mars squaring or opposing a planet you may have in scorpio? maybe the moon thingamagig in 8th house how about mars in the 4th house or mars in scorpio for people who have lost a parent? i saw that a few times or uranus in scorpio in 4th. there were a some more aspects i noted but i lost it - forgot to hit save. this is like - my fourth draft. IP: Logged |
MoonDuchess88 unregistered
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posted February 23, 2006 02:45 PM
"I heard that moon in the 8th house could indicate early loss of a mother (before the age of 40.)"Uhhh, I would hope not
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posted February 24, 2006 09:34 AM
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SunAscendant Knowflake Posts: 1836 From: California Registered: Oct 2014
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posted July 05, 2017 08:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by hippichick: I read somewhere that sun in the eighth denotes the absence of the father at an early age, could be physical as in death, emotional, etc....This has proven itself for me and so many birth charts I have read. It is always an absence of some sort, sometimes emotionally, but usually physical, like the dad leaving the child with the mom at an early age and never showing up again. My 14 year old has her aqua sun in the 8th, and her dad took his own life when she was 9... Food for thought.
Moon in th e8th too. My ex lost him mom to breast cancer at age 22 (which is young). IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4405 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 06, 2017 06:16 AM
Death of a parent i think would be a collection of;Moon-Pluto aspect(even the "soft" ones) Sun-Pluto Venus-Pluto Saturn-Pluto Saturn-Sun Saturn-Moon Saturn-Venus Saturn return Mc/Ic in aspect to solar Arc Pluto Progressed Mc/Ic in aspect to natal Pluto Ruler of 4th/10th in aspect to Pluto Progressions of Sun/Moon,Ven/Sat to 8th house cusp Progressed 8th house cusp aspect to Sun/Mo,Ven/Sat Ruler of natal 8th/progressed 8th to Sun/Mo,Ven/Sat 3rd house/9th house progressions /outer planet transit could suggest a difficult illness that may have lead to the passing. 5th house/11th house progressions/outer planet transit could suggest something sudden/radical prior to death. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 83386 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 11, 2017 09:00 AM
Thanks, Aries.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 83386 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2017 04:47 PM
Very thorough.IP: Logged |