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Cardinalgal
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posted May 18, 2006 05:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Your Cupido conjunct his Mercury means you can always be romantically interested in him because of his wit, choice of words, knowledge and the use of his fingers, either on an instrument or even the way he massages your hair, shoulders etc etc etc.

OMG how true!! He's very witty and used to be a musician playing in bands. Still plays guitar and keyboards from time to time, but mainly when I badger him to

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posted May 18, 2006 05:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GREAT thread! Learned a lot...

Tameem, let me add a few questions please:

1. Amor conjunct Valentine? You said this one is mutual love, but the one with Valentine will step in line to take a bullet, am I correct, so Amor is a bit selfish or...what? Amor conjunct someone's NN, I cannot quite make sense of it? You love "their direction in life"? How about Lust conjunct someone's NN? You "crave" their direction in life? Now, and interesting placement I saw in someone's chart is Lust conjunct Lillith natal in the 12th. I won't say my observation until I read yours.

2. Amor conjunct Moon in a natal, love of "emotional security", something to do with the Feminine in general? How about someone's Lust conjunct this combo (Amor + Moon)?

3. I have been studying Bacchus and Hidalgo, and it appears that Bacchus is about self-undoing through indulging, how significant is it in synastry you think? What does it mean if you have it conjunct IC? Now, Hidalgo is interesting, as Zane Stein refers to it where "your rights and assertion are an issue in the relationship", I saw a chart where two people I know have Hidalgo conjunct the other's Valentine double whammy. Putting the circumstances in context, these two want to be together, and are not "saying it" or "acting on it". Sort of Victorian silent love, relinquishing their right of love to each other. What do you think?

lol I edited to correct the number sequence!
Another edit to add something I thought of, What if Lust is conjunct SN? or if Lust is opposite Lust?

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Iqhunk
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posted May 18, 2006 06:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi NM!
Cool synchronicity, only yesterday I came to know about Zane Stein's website and went through his Chiron and Centaur studies.

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<<Amor is a bit selfish or...what? >>
AMOR will sincerely weep in aguish at the loss of the dead one. AMOR may even tell the murdered to shoot him in instead. The instinctual and instant urge to sacrifice, that needs Valentine.

<<Amor conjunct someone's NN, I cannot quite make sense of it? You love "their direction in life"? >>
NN is also Fate and Destiny. Amor conj someone's NN is a destiny to love this person in general and feel happiness at their joy etc.

Lust conj someone's NN: Destined to be sexually inflamed in passion with the person, especially because of the path they are to take.

<<Lust conjunct Lillith natal in the 12th>>
This is raw, primal, animalistic, "tear the clothes off of each other" passion especially with the enemy or deluder or false teacher, a passion of fantasy that causes grief and death and yet the thrill of it may confuse into making it feel worthwhile, this could be the sex where they choke each other and use drugs for a bigger orgasm and both perish.

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<<Amor conjunct Moon in a natal, love of "emotional security", something to do with the Feminine in general>>
Yes, and love of the Maternal Instinct.

<< How about someone's Lust conjunct this combo (Amor + Moon)? >>
Someone sexually turned on by the love of nurturing in another.

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Bacchus is definitely useful for practical people, and those who marry for security. A man with Bacchus conjunct Neptune and squared by Mars would not be the most eligible bachelor [Unless he has a packed 2nd House in Taurus with Venus conj Jupiter conj POF conj Gold conj Silver conj Strong ]

I agree about your Hidalgo observation.
(though I have not studied it much)
Hidalgo has a very positive name frequency of 24, so it probably works for the best in a natal chart. However, in synastry, once the couple is aware, they have to act on it. That is the purpose of an astrologer, to create awareness of the circumstances in the charts and show the ways to tackle them.

Hidalgo asteroid's awareness in the mass consciousness increased a few notches thanks to the Movie "Hidalgo". Especially because Vittgo Mortensen played the hero and Vittgo was immortalized by his Arragon role in LOTRings trilogy. Children born a year or so after that movie will get more focus of it.

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13anshee
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posted May 18, 2006 09:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
valentine - 29 leo 48'27
amor - 0 tau 14'51
lust - 15gem 5'41

ok i hav no clue what that means, i couldn't find definitions of the asteroids on the net

any help?

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posted May 18, 2006 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks StarFlower for starting this thred. And lQ for your generosity. I'm learning things to look for outside of the box. Martha Lang & Zane have only gone so far. Of course I have my own questions. If you will. ........what about natal valentine conjunct lust? [him] Or a personal asteroid [his name] conjunct eros? [me]? TY Natally Edit-> and speaking synastry I don;t have a firm grip on Osiris [death & rebirth?So what about my Osiris conjunct his NN?

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Cardinalgal
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posted May 18, 2006 10:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thanks StarFlower for starting this thred. And lQ for your generosity

Hear, hear! Thank you both so much

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posted May 18, 2006 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Iqhunk
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posted May 18, 2006 02:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Node,
<<what about natal valentine conjunct lust? [him]>>
His Natal Valentine conjunct His Lust means he will express his love to his beloved through sexual passion, seeking to please her more and more sexually.

Your Natal Valentine conjuct his Lust means he will be sexually turned on when you express your true love to him.

<< Or a personal asteroid [his name] conjunct eros? [me]? >>
He or anyone with the same name frequency will arouse you sexually.


<<speaking synastry I don;t have a firm grip on Osiris [death & rebirth?So what about my Osiris conjunct his NN? >>

Your Osiris represents your ideal spiritual husband apart from your thoughts on death/rebirth. So conjuct his NN, it means he is destined to be someone who fulfills the role of divine husband or whose path leads you to knowledge about death and rebirth.


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Iqhunk
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posted May 18, 2006 02:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HI 13anshee,

<< valentine - 29 leo 48'27>>
Valentine is in the difficult 29 to 30 degree. Your way of expressing true love is like an unsealed letter, you want your loved one to freely and fearlessly read your thoughts and emotions you feel towards her.
You have the magnetic appeal to enable this communication of true love because of the Leo sign for Valentine.

<<amor - 0 tau 14'51>>
General feeling of the Energy of Love is as if one with nature, like a cool stream in a mountain, lush forests and contemplating beauty in its totality. You are ready to wait long term for this ambition of feeling love in its totality.

<<lust - 15gem 5'41 >>
You secretly like to dramatize your sexual passions and prefer multiple partners because you cannot make up your mind exactly who you desire more.


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13anshee
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posted May 18, 2006 02:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol
<<lust - 15gem 5'41 >>
You secretly like to dramatize your sexual passions and prefer multiple partners because you cannot make up your mind exactly who you desire more.

i better make sure the girl im seeing atm doesn't read that, she might get scared away!
thanks again iq, your the greatest ^_^

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bullhead
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posted May 18, 2006 03:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hihi Iqhunk,
QUOTE:"""<<does is mean anything if two people have Valentine conjunct Valentine and Amor conjunct Amor in synastry??????? ty for all your help!!!!!!!!>>

If two people have this placement and chance to meet, they will be helplessly in love from first sight and will make the happiest couple possible, even if there are several harsh aspects. The bond of love is stronger than all bad aspects lumped together.""""

im sorry i missed this topic when u posted, i have my valentine conjunct with his valentine; his juno conjuct my sun; his amor conjunct my moon;his sun conjunct my chiron;his chiron conjunct my true node;his mars conjunct my juno; and last both of our isis conjunction. wht is ISIS by the way?

thank u so much for ur amazing info.

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Iqhunk
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posted May 18, 2006 03:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bullhead,
Am sleepy right now, will answer tmrw. But pls check out Asteroid Karma (3811) in your charts and see if it makes an exact aspect to either Ascendant or True Node or Osiris (1923) apart from the other asteroids. My spider sense tells me you two could be kindred spirits. What is the angular distance between Isis and Valentine ? What are your names ? Think out of the box and check for everything. Perhaps the compound name numbers of you both is the same as the degree separation between Isis and Valentine.
Think in all possible ways. 360 degree thought process.
VAlentine-VAlentine conj is such a blessing!

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Alisa
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posted May 18, 2006 04:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk

Thanks a lot. I now QUINDECILE with this thread

1. You said :
“<<3. In composite chart, what is the meaning of Mars (Taurus) trine Lust (Capricorn)? >>
This couple will spend hours and hours in bed and it wont be for sleeping.
His Lust trine her Mars is great for sex.”
Would these two aspects enough to make any of them feel that there is sth. more than friendship going on? He or She would feel more?
What way is “his Lust trine her Mars is great for sex”? Do you mean that they are sexual compatible or ….?
2. What are the differences among Venus square Mar, Venus square Lust and Venus square Eros? One thread last month mentioned that Venus square Mar is very hot.
3. How about if the owner of Osiris is a man instead? Would Osiris mean his ideal wife? What is the meaning of his Osiris and Amor closely conjunct her Sun?
Thanks again.
Alisa

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Peri
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posted May 18, 2006 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got Karma conjunct ASC, Merlin conjunct DSC, Anubis conjunct Saturn (ASC ruler)in my chart... any ideas IQ?

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bullhead
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posted May 18, 2006 10:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi IQUHUNK,
very interesting insight, but when u said "kindred spirits" im kind of worry, u mean in the past life only i hope...we are both Chinese but from different provinces, i mean our ancestor, im orginally from Hongkong and he was borned in Canada.
I checked and found out though..more conjunctions as follow: his karma conjunct my eros, his karma trine my moon and osiri; his karma also sextile my true node and IC; my osiri conjunct his amor;

again, tks for droppin me a response even u were tired and had to sleep, i appreicate it

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mars446
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posted May 19, 2006 01:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Iq,

Isn't Eros the same as cupid, just different names b/c the Romans adopted the Greek mythology but gave the gods and goddesses different names? So why then have 2 asteroids named for just one god? Both should have the same properties, don't you think so?

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Iqhunk
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posted May 19, 2006 03:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Mars,
According to my research, Asteroids work on name frequency effect. If a large percentage of people on Earth who have time to think imagine Eros to represent Potatoes, then the energy of this ancient evolved being would combine with human representation of potatoes to make a man be aroused whenever he eats a potato.

Now, Eros and Cupid are the same being Mr X who is in charge of lust/sexual passion.

The myths confirm Mr. X to deal with passions. The name associations in popular consciousness decides what aspect of passion will be giverned by which asteroid.

EROS today is erotica, sexual intercourse etc. CUPID is a baby in diapers who shoots arrows of love. So the energy of Mr X that is imparted to the asteroids will pass affect the human mind according to the perception.

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Iqhunk
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Hi Peri,
<<I've got Karma conjunct ASC, Merlin conjunct DSC, Anubis conjunct Saturn (ASC ruler)in my chart... any ideas IQ? >>

Karma conj Asc means destined to balance your external personality according to the relevant simultaneous life.
Merlin conj Descendent is a challenge to master a magickal art. Karma opp Merlin means you misused magick in a simultaneous life and hence you have to balance that by working hard to acquire a magickal talent and using that for other's good.

Anubis conj Saturn is powerful past life karma relating to awareness of death. Your views about death/rebirth/soul journey are highly structured and rigid. You must contemplate about these topics responsibly to complete the Saturnian lesson. You may have seen many people die in your past life. I would go so far as to suggest that your immediate past life may have been in Ukraine itself during the great famine which took millions of lives there in the turn of the 20th century.

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mars446
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posted May 19, 2006 03:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, in otherwords, you're saying that astrologers name asteroids to suit people's psychological needs or perceptions of the world? Wow...that's interesting.

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Iqhunk
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posted May 19, 2006 03:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bullhead,
<<very interesting insight, but when u said "kindred spirits" im kind of worry, u mean in the past life only i hope>>

Kindred Spirits are FOREVER, in past present and future. I think you two are made for each other, thats why you two have met even though you were born continents away.

<<his karma conjunct my eros, his karma trine my moon and osiri; his karma also sextile my true node and IC; my osiri conjunct his amor; >>

100% confirmed he is your fated first choice for Husband in this life.

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Iqhunk
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posted May 19, 2006 04:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Alisa,
<<I now QUINDECILE with this thread >>
I am AMOR with that statement

<<Would these two aspects enough to make any of them feel that there is sth. more than friendship going on? He or She would feel more? >>
If this is about your old twin flame, I cannot comment anything because even though astrology says something should happen, a man can psychologically block everything through mental power and conviction.

<<What way is “his Lust trine her Mars is great for sex”? Do you mean that they are sexual compatible or ….?>>
Definitely! Her Mars is her definition of ideal masculinity in a man and when his Lust is right there, then it is a mutual turn on.

<<2. What are the differences among Venus square Mar, Venus square Lust and Venus square Eros? One thread last month mentioned that Venus square Mar is very hot.>>
Venus sq Mars produces sexual tension. Like two people who quarrel and quarrel and quarrel and then suddenly leap into bed in fiery passion. Venus sq Lust would produce even more sexual tension which can ultimately lead to sexual perversion. Venus square Eros will produce a kind of sexual tension that ends up as raw sexual passion with no chance of any other stimulation. Mars has general tendencies like attraction to method of speech, walk, movements, actions and sex. Eros is sexual arousal, foreplay, sexual stimulation and passion. Lust is just raw animal sexual attraction.

<<3. How about if the owner of Osiris is a man instead? Would Osiris mean his ideal wife? >>
Osiris in a man represents what he thinks he should do to become a divine spiritual hero.
Isis represents his ideal divine wife. For Indian oriented people, these asteroids can be interchanged with Asteroids SIVA (1170) and PARVATI (2878) or KAALI (4227) or TARA depending on the psychology of the people.

<<What is the meaning of his Osiris and Amor closely conjunct her Sun? >>
Her Inner Personality would gladly accept him as an ideal husband. He would love her inner personality.

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posted May 19, 2006 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for your interps IQ very insightful...

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posted May 19, 2006 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks lQ! I am trying to limit my questions. ....I have read that Hypothetical or, TransNeptunian Cupido [H40] is very different in interp. from Asteroid Cupid. Given that the bodies are different, and our collective human deffinition is different... 'How do YOU define them'?

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Iqhunk
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posted May 19, 2006 09:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Node,
TransNeptunians will affect only generationally. Only a Soul who has evolved beyond the astral gravity of the Solar System will truly comprehend the TransNeptunian planet effect on his body, according to me. The "Cupido" name frequency may not apply here because 99.99% of masses are unaware of those higher levels.

I myself have not grasped much of the transNeptunian concepts.

With 100 or so asteroids and Centaurs that do tangibly affect the masses in small to significant ways, I decided to master them first, then maybe later come to grips with the Hamburg studies.

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bullhead
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posted May 19, 2006 09:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk,
thank u so much!!
no man ever ever touch my heart like he does. i hope im doing the same for him...
anyhoo, if he is the one if its meant to be, will let u know.

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