posted June 26, 2006 09:47 AM              

dear astro junkie,

that's a great question. i must say that while on the one hand conjunctions to the vertex axis in a particularly spiritual sign such as pisces would probably engender a more ... how shall we say ... well, let's just say piscean (spiritual, inspirational) vibe to the connection, i don't think the sign matters in the end. it's the connection to the vertex or anti-vertex that counts. when someone touches you there, it's like whatever planet is touching it becomes NECESSARY to your growth and development. you NEED that planet to make you whole. of course, reactions to that kind of connection varies all the way around...depends on the person. overall, no matter what the signs involved are, the vertex axis seems to signify spiritual growth through relationship. more work needs to be done on this. i'm quite intrigued by it being way more important in europe -- any europeans out there who can contribute? (the astrologer i've been consulting with studied at the astrological lodge in london i believe, and she says the vertex axis is taken more seriously there.)

i have a couple of links, here's one:
http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/050531.html

here's some more information:

The vertex is a term originated by the modern astrologer Johndro, arising from a theory (perhaps based on a suggestion made by Collin) that the existence of a magnetic field within and around our Earth postulates that there must be two Ascendants (or more properly, tow Ascendant-Descendant axes), one being magnetic, the other electrical. These might, under certain conditions, be visualized as being at right angles to each other. This alternative axis is called the vertex-antivertex axis: the so-called magnetic Ascendant is the traditional Ascendant (that is, the ancient Horoscopos) while the electrical Ascendant is the so-called vertex. Whilst it is widely recognized that Johndro's analogy, upon which this conception is based, is itself invalid, he claims to have shown (using the "known data method") that the axis is linked with involuntary actions, lack of choice, and fate. As with so many modern astrological speculations, there appears to be a chimerical basis for the idea of the vertex. This curious axis cannot hold any relationship to the Ascendant or to the Ascendant-Descendant axis. The fact is that the Ascendant marks the relationship estblished between a given locality on the Earth and a point on the zodiacal arc. The vertex-antivertex axis is the supposed expression of a relationship contained wholly within the magnetic field of the Earth: it could in no way (even by forced analogy) be described as an Ascendant, or treated as an equivalent influence, precisely because it is non-zodiacal in origin.

The Vertex was discovered independently by L. E. Johndro and Charles Jayne. Johndro considered it and the Antivertex as electrostatic release points of the Earth at the birth moment, and connected them with Uranus. Jayne regards the Vertex as the most impersonal angle in the chart: the most fated, the lest conscious or voluntary, and having to do with the past (as distinguished from the Ascendant, which is the most personal angle, the least fated, the most conscious and voluntary; and has to do with the future.

hope that helps.

posted June 27, 2006 01:43 PM              

my vertex cancer;his sun aries...

posted July 01, 2006 02:56 AM              

Well, I just keep getting reminded of that past post almost every day since. Seriously.

I'm getting ready to post some topics the Vertex and couples who seem to vibe well. Need to get some ZZZzzzz's soon ...

posted July 13, 2006 10:01 PM              

Scorpio/Taurus
Libra/Aries, etc.

posted September 16, 2008 04:20 AM            

And, I have Vertex at 29 degrees Libra and conjuncting Uranus in Scorp. Since the Vertex is thought to be related to Uranus and my Vertex is at an anaretic degree, would that make it more important in my chart?

posted September 16, 2008 05:02 AM            

I just checked the synastry of me and mr virgo (which feels incredibly fated) and we dont have the conj sun vertex but we DO have sun contraparallel vertex, so obviously parallel anti vertex... and its a tight one 15' only...

posted May 05, 2009 04:58 AM            

Would it have an impact on both parties or would the Anti Vertex person feel it more intensely, seeing as the energy of the planet person would activate that point?

posted October 20, 2009 10:09 PM            

But there are another aspects there which also can get me the obsessed fellings I got for him.

I think it was his lust conj my valentin/siva/ixion. He alwayw be around me and today I think he like it when I show my feelings forhim . Now I know better. In that time I always thougt he feel something like I do.

there are few aspect from my charts natal to his venus. The only aspect to his venus was my amor/wertex to his natal venus.

posted August 30, 2012 08:11 PM            

I can relate to the last few replies here. Realizing my recent (potential) romantic interests are with others who hit my Anti-vertex. (If the info regarding Vertex as a spiritual/soul-level point is accurate, then that would be quite appropriate for the level of relationship I'd be drawn to.)

One current association is Vertex opposite Vertex in synastry (as well as a hoard of other nice connections). Connection feels rare and astounding to me, but she is running the other way, after it was clear she felt a significant draw toward me as well. Confusing and sad to experience.

posted November 14, 2012 01:00 AM            

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Originally posted by chrissymgreen:

"As for the Pottenger book, so much is being discovered about the Vertex that I think her understanding has been surpassed, but it's always worth a read, just to understand what the Vertex is. My understanding of the Vertex came from extended conversations with a French Canadian astrologer who has focused on the Vertex for much of his career--in Europe the Vertex is considered a much more important axis than it is here."

she likens the vertex axis to an axis of spiritual awareness, it is where we are trying to be the best of who we are at the soul level. she says antivertex connections in synastry are very intense. here's more:

"This astrologer presented the vertex/anti-vertex as an alternate Asc/Desc axis. But where the usual Asc/Desc axis has to do with identity (self vs. other)in the here and now, the vertex/anti-vertex is an axis of spiritual identity. The vertex is the ascendant of the integrated self, and a place of spiritual power. This is why the encounters seem 'fated'. It operates on the level of synchronicities, and in any encounter or event where the soul is struggling towards integration. It's where we are trying to become our best self in the deepest way.

What I've found is that aspects to the vertex, particularly the conjunction, bring tremendous opportunities for growth. The odd thing is that they aren't always on the surface. You have to keep your eyes and ears open, and follow your truth, or they'll pass you by. I look for synchronicities when the vertex is active, or anything that seems to connect at a deep level.

From what I've seen, it's the anti-vertex that's the power point in terms of relationships. That's the place that we'll experience fated encounters. I don't throw around the term 'soul mate' but you'll find conjunctions to the anti-vertex signify deep, deep connections between people. They may not last forever, but these anti-vertex relationships always aid a person in their spiritual growth. I haven't seen enough charts to really be certain, but I have seen it active in the 'love at first sight' phenomenon.

For vertex/anti-vertex I look at conjunctions only. I haven't found any other aspects to be significant."

it is my understanding that the VERTEX person feels the most significant punch. i say this because in my current relationship (with someone from my past who just popped back into my life very unexpectedly) my vertex conjuncts his chiron. she says this means i identify deeply with his wounding in a very spiritual sense. she says his wound is at the essence of my being, and causes an intense identification.

so with sun/vertex i would imagine that the vertex person would be inclined to be deeply struck by the other person's self expression/ego identity.

hope this helps.

c

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posted November 14, 2012 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by astrofan123:
I can relate to this. a few people I met have vertex conjunct my sun. when I was happy, they seemed to be upset that I was. when I was sad, they made remarks to hurt me more. and all the while they tried to appear nice in front of other people, saying that I have unstable mood, up and down without reason. there might be something else in their charts but now that you said this, I think my expression affected them deeply, be it in a good or bad way. one of them also has chiron conjunct my mars so that makes it worse.

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