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EccentricGypsy28
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posted July 24, 2006 03:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The subject line is pretty self explanatory, but just to recap: Are there any clues in a natal chart that indicate you may marry a foreigner? Just curious to know. I'm sure it has something to do with the ninth house.

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posted July 24, 2006 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus in Sag!

That's what I have, and I married a foreigner. All my relationships have been with people from somehwrere other than where I'm from. Almost all Venus in Sag interps say that people with this placement are very likely to marry someone foreign... and I did! And if I ever get remarried, it will probably be with another foreigner, because that's what I seem to date, heheh.

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posted July 24, 2006 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cool thread..

hmm.. 9th house sounds interesting..i wonder what are others clues..

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posted July 24, 2006 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've heard a lot of interps for Virgo Rising that mention relationships with foreigners. Whether or not it's the truth has yet to be seen.

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Dulce Luna
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posted July 24, 2006 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I've also heard that with sag on the descendant or a ninth house venus you're most likely to marry a foreigner.

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Almost An Angel
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posted July 24, 2006 04:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about having Libra on your 9th house cusp?

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ScotScorp
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posted July 24, 2006 04:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've also read about my Pisces Jupiter in the 7th being interested in foreigners!

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carlfloydfan
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posted July 24, 2006 04:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am from Connecticut (Maine college) and never seemed to click with CT girls or USA girls in general and have had 3 very sub par relationships too. I am in my most satisfying, beautiful, real relationship of my life now, with a gorgeous french girl:

maybe my chart pointed toward a foriegn girl..maybe not..here are some of my aspects that go along with what you folks have said:

-VENUS SAGittarius 21°11'10 in house 11
-Mercury Sagittarius
-Sun is in 9/10 house. but I always thought that astro.com is WRONG in interpreting my sun in house 10. I feel the sun in house 9 (sag) is more like me. technically is at the end of house 9, hence the house 10 description on astro, but STILL IN 9, so I always go with 9.
-pluto in house 9


my girl:
-mercury and venus both in aries and both in house 9.
-sag uranus in house 5
-not a virgo asc, but thats where her moon is

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DayDreamer
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posted July 24, 2006 05:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Venus De Milo and carl said...Venus in Sagittarius.

I have Venus Sagittarius 23°49'36 in the 7th house, close to the 8th house cusp. And my Venus is conjunct Neptune (co-ruled by Jupiter.)

Also having your Descendant/7th house cusp in Sagittarius like Dulce Luna said, or like ScotScorp said, Jupiter in the 7th house.

My Descendant/7th house cusp and 8th house cusp are in Sagittarius. On top of that I have my Sun/Mars/Mer in the 9th house (using the equal house system). And yeah am usually attracted to foreigners too.

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Kamilla
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posted July 24, 2006 06:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am originally from Russia and even after living in US for 13 years I still come across as a foreigner. Sounding like James Bond movie character probably has something to do with it...lol. My ex has Moon, Jupiter and Ascendant in Sagittarius, Sun in 9th House. After I got divorced I dated someone with Moon in Sagittarius in 5th House, Sun and Jupiter in 9th House. Now I have just started to date a guy with Sun and Mercury in Sagittarius. I don't know his birth time yet. Another similarity in these charts is Sun square Moon although I am not sure if it has any significance for subject in question.

So to me it looks like Sagittarius has something to do with attraction to foreigners. I'll try to collect more database and keep you posted...lol.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted July 24, 2006 06:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any connections at all
between the 7 and 9 principles
(i.e. Venus, Libra, 7th house
linked to Jupiter, Sagittarius, or the 9th house).

I have:
Venus in the 9th
Libra on the 9th
and Jupiter in the 7th

I have had mostly relationships w/ foreigners,
and/or people living far way.

I suppose Jupiter or Sag in the 5th might work, too.


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Venusian Love
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posted July 24, 2006 06:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read a long time ago about a sun-chiron aspect meaning you will marry someone with a background different then yours. But I don't remember whether it was a trine or whatever.

I think it was an article on widget's world or astro.com.


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Things base and vile, holding no quantity,
Love can transpose to form and dignity.
Love looks not with the eye, but with the mind,
And therefore is winged Cupid painted blind.

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Venusian Love
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posted July 24, 2006 06:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I also read about Sags. Capricorn and Scorpio men I notice also.


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posted July 24, 2006 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venusian Love, I have that too!

My Chiron in Taurus is exactly square my Sun.

Interesting!

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Venusian Love
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posted July 24, 2006 06:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also check the synastry or composite charts.

I have Chiron in Taurus also.


Let's heal eachother


What house is your chiron in?


Mine is in the 12th. With my Moon and Venus also.


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Gemini/Cancer Cusp, Cancer ascendant, Taurus moon *29, Taurus venus, Libra mars
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Things base and vile, holding no quantity,
Love can transpose to form and dignity.
Love looks not with the eye, but with the mind,
And therefore is winged Cupid painted blind.

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Dulce Luna
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posted July 24, 2006 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter in the 5th too, thats interesting because I have that. I don't know if it's true though because technically (and legally) I am a foreigner. I don't meet many people of my nationality but I have met people of similar backgrounds to mine (African and/or Portuguese) . My bf's background is different from mine though, but there are similarities (Puerto Rican).

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hayek
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posted July 24, 2006 06:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not only Venus in Sag, but Moon in Sag is also an indicator of a marriage to a foreigner. Ninth House planets aspecting Moon, Venus or Descendant may also be an indication.

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posted July 24, 2006 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

what about indicators for interracial relationships?

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Planet_Soul
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posted July 24, 2006 07:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My bf and I are from different cultures, ethnicites, religous upbringing, etc.. Seems like you guys are onto something with the Sag influence bit.. Maybe Aquarian as well, since Aquas like to be different?

Him: Sun/Venus in 9th
Sag Moon/Uranus/Neptune

Moi: Sag Asc/Sun/Mer/Mars
Venus conj. Uranus in 11th


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posted July 24, 2006 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hay VL!

My Chiron in Taurus is in the 7th house. Were you also born in 1979 or 1978? I noticed everyone in late 78/79 has Chiron in Taurus.

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posted July 24, 2006 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I was wondering what would be astrological indicators of somebody who
is born from an interracial,interethnic relationship as well as interested in
interracial,interethnic, relationships too. What about indicators for multiethnic
environment?

I feel that this is something serious. To a lot of people, interracial
relationships are taboo...especially between black and white. I was
worried about the OJ Simpson trial because of Black man on trial for
killing his exwife. There was a time, if a black man was with a white
woman, there would be somebody saying "He's going to pull an OJ." I
felt that the OJ Simpson trial made interracial relationships look bad
for awhile. I have dealt with "you need to stay with your own kind
stuff" when I was in the navy.

People of multiethnic ancestry are just getting recognized. The 2000
census, people were allowed to mark down one ethnic background. People
with some black ancestry were forced to be considered Black due to the
one drop black rule. There always mulattoes that are being forced to
choose only on ethnicity - black. A lot of blacks are so quick to
label mulattoes black. A lot of them afraid that if multiethnic
categories are widely accepted, then the black population will be
shrinking and lose more and more political status. Of course, I don't
sympathize with that. I sympathize with fellow mulattoes who are
always torn between not accepting the heritage of their caucasian
ancestry.

Now more and more interracial reltionships are going on, and so there
are more and more people that have more than one ethnic group.

I feel that maybe venus-uranus,aquarius might be involved in
interracial relationships because of the desire to rebel or go against
tradition or to have a liberating view about love. However, I feel
that venus-neptune,pisces might be involved too because they might be
"blind" when it comes to love. They don't see color. They just see the
soul. They might believe in unity and universal love. Love for them
might be idealistic. I am not sure about venus-jupiter. I wonder about
venus in sagittarius and 9th house because they relate to foreigners
and different cultures. I feel that the previously mentioned planets
in 7th house might play a part. Also....Uranus,Neptune,9th house
rulers in or connected to 5th house for romance and children. I also
wonder about a female's Sun and/or Mars linked to Uranus,Neptune,and
9th house as well as a male's Moon and/or Venus linked to
to the aforementioned.

I would like to use my United Nations Family as an example. My
maternal grandfather said United Nations to my mother when he was
showing her the picture that the family took for Christmas of 1991.

My mother is an example: She's
Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,and Puerto Rican. She was
never attracted to white guys. She's always been mostly attracted to
black guys. She liked some hispanics too. Of course, she has a son by
a black man - me.

Her chart shows Venus-Uranus square Neptune in 5th. Another thing is
that her 9th house ruler is Uranus. So her 9th house ruler conjuncts
Venus and squares Neptune in 5th house. Her 7th house ruler, Saturn is
oppose Jupiter. Like I said before, I am not sure if Jupiter has to do
with interracial relationships.

I have unaspected Uranus in Libra in 2nd trine Midheaven/sextile IC.
I have 7th house ruler, Neptune in Sagittarius and widely conjunct my
Jupiter in Sagittarius which is conjunct my IC in Sagittarius. My 5th
house ruler, Saturn is in 9th house. It opposes IC, Jupiter(IC ruler)
and 7th house ruler, Neptune along with squaring my Moon in Pisces for
a t-square. Note that Saturn in 9th is the handle of my bucket. My
9th house ruler, Venus contraparallels my Saturn in 9th and parallels
my 7th house ruler,Neptune.

My father was Creole(Black,French,and Native American) from New
Orleans, Lousiana.

I have no birthtime for him, and so I have no clue about his houses.
He had Moon in Pisces and Venus in Sagittarius.

My maternal grandfather is Portuguese with some Puerto Rican. He
briefly married a white woman, and had daughter by her - my mom. He
remarried to a Puerto Rican,Mexican woman. They were married for 40
yrs until his suicide.

He has his 9th house ruler, Moon in Pisces in 5th. He has Uranus
conjunct the Descendant. His Moon is trine Pluto in 9th.

My Maternal grandmother was of English,German,French,and Italian
descent. She might have been part Jewish too.
Of course, she briefly married by grandfather and gave birth to my
mom. She pretty much split when my mom was a baby. She disappeared
without a trace. The father of her first daughter was Puerto Rican.

She has Venus in Aquarius conjunct her 9th house ruler, Saturn in 9th
house. Her Venus sextiles Uranus. Her 5th house ruler, Sun is in
12th quincunx her Neptune in 5th. Her Mars is quincunx her Neptune in
5th. Her 7th house ruler, Pluto is quincunx her Venus in 9th and
square her Uranus in 12th. Note: my Maternal grandmother has Venus
conjunct 9th house ruler like my Mom.

My maternal Uncle Eddie is Portuguese,Puerto Rican,and Mexican. He was
married to a Filipino woman and has 2 kids from her. He also married a
blue eyed blonde and has a kid by her.

He has Moon in Aquarius oppose his 7th house ruler, Uranus. Of course,
he has Aquarius descendant. His 9th house ruler, Mars sextile
Uranus-Ascendant and oppose his 5th house ruler, Jupiter in
Sagittarius in 5th.

My maternal uncle Dino has been with white women too, and he married
one that was 10 yrs older than her. His stepson is all white. A few
years ago, he got a son by a woman that is Black and Filipino. He had
a Fijian girlfriend when he was a teenager.

He has Venus in 9th house. His 7th house ruler, Mercury is square
Uranus. His Moon is widely square Neptune, trine Jupiter, and
parallel Uranus. His 9th house ruler, Sun squares his Moon

My maternal Aunt Dominga was married to 2 black men and had daughters
by them. She has dated a white guy. She mostly went out with black
guys. She later on decided that women was for her. She had 2 white
girlfriends. She's actually a lesbian.

She has Sun conjunct Neptune in 12th. Her 7th house ruler, Venus is
in 11th sextile Uranus in 9th. Her 5th house ruler, Mars is square
Uranus in 9th. Uranus is square her ascendant/descendant axis.

My maternal Aunt Isabel has been married to 3 black guys that she bore
daughters to.

She has Sun trine Neptune and sextile Pluto in 9th. Her 7th house
ruler, Mercury is Sagittarius conjuncting her ascendant and trining
her Uranus. Her 5th house ruler, Uranus is quincunx Venus and sextile
Mars in 5th.

The gal that I am talking to now is white used to be with an Indian guy and now is romantically interested in me who is multiethnic.
She has Sun trine Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Sagittarius in 9th. She has Jupiter-Uranus conjunction square Ascendant/Descendant axis and Juno in Pisces in 12th. She has Venus sesquiquadrate stationary Neptune,quincunx Jupiter in 9th. 7th house ruler Mercury is trine Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in 9th


Raymond

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posted July 24, 2006 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found something on CafeAstrology but It's on composite charts.

When composite Venus is trine composite Uranus:

Openness, unconventionality, freedom from limiting ideas about how people "should" arrange their intimate lives, and willingness to experiment (sexually, or in how you derive pleasure and enjoyment) - these will inevitably play a significant role in your relationship with each other. You may be "breaking the rules" in some significant way, just by being together. The differences in your ages, races, or backgrounds may take people by surprise, for instance. Or in some other way you may not seem to fit together, according to "normal" standards. In certain significant ways the two of you do not conduct your relationship in the ordinary way. An unusual degree of independence and flexibility, and something totally different from other relationships you may have had, are part of what this connection is all about.


What I think they're trying to say is that Venus-Uranus aspects in the composite may indicate if the relationship is interracial, multi-ethnic, etc. I have this one in the compsite chart with my bf.

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LILYGIRL
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posted July 24, 2006 07:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Raymond thank you for sharing all your research. It was very generous and is fascinating to see the Sag, and Venus/Uranus signatures. We call our family the United Nations for similiar reason . My best example is my husband's parents.

My in laws have been married 50 years! They are black and white (he is white; she black) and they married when it was still illegal in the state next door. What's even more unbelievable is that He is a Psices and she is Gemini. I love it.

I just looked at their charts (but have no times). They are in their 80s now. He is an Aqua Venus/Jupiter and Pisces Sun. They were activist Catholics engaged in civil right efforts during the 1960s. She is Gem Sun with Pisces Mars and Uranus.

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Venusian Love
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posted July 24, 2006 08:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was born on june 19, 1982

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Gemini/Cancer Cusp, Cancer ascendant, Taurus moon *29, Taurus venus, Libra mars
*----------*----------*
Things base and vile, holding no quantity,
Love can transpose to form and dignity.
Love looks not with the eye, but with the mind,
And therefore is winged Cupid painted blind.

-William Shakespeare

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Venusian Love
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Sun in the 9th House exact at 01:18 ~ activity period from 18 June 2006 until end of July 2006.<br /></em>Valid during several weeks: During this time you should attempt to broaden your horizons in every way possible ­ through study, new and unfamiliar experiences, travel or by meeting people from totally different backgrounds. Strive to make even the most trivial encounter a positive learning experience.


Venus trine Pluto
You respond with love to people, life and beauty. You can see
the best in people, and bring it out from them. You search for
beauty and symmetry, goodness and truth, and may well
find them. You can count friends from all different backgrounds
and with your instinctive understanding of love, its
responsibilities as well as its joys, you appreciate and enjoy life.
There is often something fated or predestined in your relationships
and love at first sight is a definite possibility. The redemptive
power of love is something you will probably experience and you
or your partner will benefit in this way. Your sex drive is strong.

Found it


I have sometimes seen Sun-Chiron in a composite when two people want very badly to have children but are unable to do so. This is a wound which can make people think much more deeply about who they are and what purpose their lives serve, because they do not have the collectively sanctioned "purpose" of a family to give them a direction in life. Another example might be a partnership where there is a great age difference, and the younger partner must watch the other grow old and frail. No amount of love and commitment can turn the clock back. Or there might be a physical handicap in one partner which may be genuinely and deeply accepted, but which limits the mobility of both people. Yet another example might be a racially mixed marriage, or a homosexual relationship, both of which may provoke animosity among neighbours who are xenophobic or too rigid in their definitions of normality. Xenophobia and rigid opinions are characteristic of many, many people, and no amount of agonising or raging will alter this unfortunate flaw in human nature. Both people may be hurt through the relationship, not because it is "bad", but because there is something about the way the relationship "sits" in the collective which limits its possibilities.


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