posted October 09, 2006 07:12 AM            

My ascendant changes by 4 degrees when i adjust for LMT,
so, I am really curious to know more about this.

Any info, thoughts?

Much appreciated,
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posted October 09, 2006 11:17 AM              

If you are using astro.com do NOT adjust for LMT (by changing the automatic settings)...astro.com automatically adjusts for LMT. All astrology programs will adjust for LMT...although all will not adjust for daylight savings time.

LMT is not important in telling the time now that we have time zones...but it IS important in getting an accurate chart in astrology. Time zones standardized our recognition of time but they could not standardize the position of the Sun in the sky. The Sun will be in slightly different places in the sky at the same time in the same time zone, depending on location. So LMT needs to be calculated so that the clock time for any location is adjusted so it matches the actual position of the Sun in the sky.

Here is a definition that hopefully makes this clearer:
"Local Mean Time - The actual time in a given location based upon the Sun's position at the Midheaven (noon) of the place. Abbreviated LMT; also called True Local Time (TLT)."

Meanly,

posted October 10, 2006 10:53 AM            

Why does astro.com offer the LMT option,
if it is adjusted automatically?
And why, when I choose that option,
does my ascendant change degree?
If they are already giving me an ascendant that accords with LMT,
what are they giving me when I click on the LMT adjustment?

posted October 10, 2006 11:50 AM              

LMT is used in charts of people who were born before time zones were created. In these days each town had its own "local" time and the time recorded was the time local for that town and no other. The birth data of these people will always have "LMT" next to their birth time to indicate that this time is already converted into LMT. So, unless a chart specifically indicates its time is "LMT", the LMT function should NOT be used.

Locally,

posted October 10, 2006 05:36 PM            

So, are you saying that astro.com
automatically corrects for LMT
ONLY in the charts of people born
before 1890, or in all charts,
since, as you say,
even within the same time-zone,
the sun's position is slightly unique?

Again, I dont understand why they offer the option,
if they make the adjustment automatically.
You say the option should not be used,
unless the chart specifically indicates LMT -
but, why would you use the option
if the correction is already indicated?

posted October 10, 2006 06:17 PM              

Not exactly. I am saying that when you put LMT into astro.com you are telling astro.com NOT to correct for LMT. In other words, the time entered is correct "as is" and doesn't need to have further adjustment (using LMT calculations). Astro.com gives you the "LMT" option for those birth times in which the time given was ALREADY corrected for LMT.

These LMT birth times occurred when time zones were NOT used and all time was adjusted for the city it was in. So the time in one town would be different from the town 50 miles away which would be different from another town 50 miles further away, etc. This frequently created MASSIVE confusion about what time it was for those who were from another town...SO much confusion that frequently the tallest building in town would have a clock on it...so that people entering the town would know what time it was in that town!

In a timely manner,

posted October 10, 2006 11:41 PM              

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