posted October 11, 2006 01:34 PM            

Here’s some links on Lilith. My Mean Lilith -- not the nasty one , the position you get when you choose Lilith in the “additional objects” box at astro.com -- is in the 2nd at 3 Libra, conjunct my Venus at 2 Libra. Actually, I’ve started using True BML, which is object (lower-case “h”) h13 and can be entered in the “additional asteroids or hypothetical planets” box.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000577.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002272.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004059.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004151.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001165.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006838.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008453.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007939.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/001161.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004867.html

There may be more in beebuddy's COOL LINKS WITH DESCRIPTIONS thread, and I think I'll add this one in there too.....

posted October 11, 2006 02:06 PM            

2 Black Moon Liliths: one is mean BML (Lilith on additional objects list in astro.com) the other is true BML (h13 Osculating Lunar Apogee on the list of "hypothetical" planets )

asteroid Lilith (#1181 on the list of named asteroids)

and Dark Moon Lilith (h58 Waldemath Black Moon on the list of "hypothetical" planets)

In my opinion, BML represents the subconscious part of our mind or the Unknown, its a hightly individual point in the chart, it is something that makes us different from others. BML also represents our anima/animus figure which is very interesting for synastry charts comparison. A relationship under the influence of BML may grow into a dangerous liaison, into a painful, intense, obsessive or strange love affair.

Which of them to use true or mean? The true is the more accurate placement but an ephemeris for it has only been available for about 10 years so not as much work has been done using it.
From my personal experience, I can say mean BML does work and manifests itself in transits and synastry quite noticeably! As for true BML, I haven't studied it properly yet.

Asteroid Lilith indicates where a person does not fit the cultural stereotype, leading to some kind of exile from the community, where we struggle with social judgments. In synastry, it can provoke confrontations with gender role stereotypes or a non-submissive disposition with regard to gender roles, personal independence and the use of sex as a weapon of vengeance or domination or maybe even lack of sexual commitment.

As for Dark Moon Lilith, it's a debated dark shadow around the Earth. Some think it is a ball of space dust, which would explain why it doesn't reflect the Sun as other Moons do. According to Delphine Jay,the effect of Dark Moon Lilith is distinctly impersonal. I have never worked with DML. So I have nothing to say about it.

posted August 12, 2008 10:43 AM            

true BML: 5 Virgo, 4th house conjunct my IC (1 degree orb)

asteroid lilith: 26 Leo, 3rd house, opposite my Mercury (2 degrees), sextile my AC (1 degree)

posted August 12, 2008 10:57 AM            

It is opposite my NN,
Square my Vertex
Trine my Venus and PoF
and Sextile my Jupiter.

What does this mean?

posted August 12, 2008 07:37 PM            

DM Lilith in Aquarius, 5th ~ your creative style has a distinctly 'impersonal' feel to it ~ preferring "the good of humanity", "global consciousness" and "the big picture" to personal credit & fame & glory ~ although, you are 'right on the mark' with this ~ if you don't give yourself any credit (or accept credit given/assigned to you by others, graciously & joyfully) you cannot really *feel* for yourself the ways to be part of the "global consciousness" you champion so well ~ conflicts you experience in this area are meant to open you up to more

posted March 28, 2010 09:30 AM            

I have absolutely no idea what that means.

posted March 28, 2010 03:54 PM            

quote:

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In the 1st House: "Having Black Moon Lilith in 1st house suggests strong influence of the values of the Black Moon in your personality. Intense passions - but they may be hidden in the depths of the unconscious mind (Pandora's box) . Extremely violent emotions at times. Rebellious nature, which can engage in fights against patriarchal authority. In a female chart, in particular, this can mean great difficulties and conflicts with the father. Profound connection with occult mysteries. Natural understanding of the hidden laws of nature. Having Black Moon in the first house is an invitation for the native to study the myth of Lilith and ponder on its implications." http://reneeastro.blogspot.com/2009/01/1st-house-lilith-in-aquarius.html

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Yeah, that's me. *sigh* Definitely me in all my violently passionate and depths-dwelling glory. It's not as romantic as one might think.

In aspect with Pluto:

quote:

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On the lower mode: rich, complex and tenacious sexual fantasies or on the contrary, fear of sexuality.
On the higher mode, the need for purity, perfection and absolute can be extreme.
The conjunction, opposition, square, and trine are aspects which can strongly reinforce the occult
nature of Pluto, giving tremendous insight into the hidden mysteries of life and sharp astral energy in
plenty.
There is also an immense potential of energy available to realise one's goals, but one needs to be able
to go deep inside oneself to contact it and tap from it.
In the conjunction and the opposition, the meeting of Hades and Lilith can make great esotericists
and magicians, but also necromancers. Think of people such as Yogananda (Black Moon-Pluto
opposition), Gurdjieff (trine), Ramdass (trine), Samuel Sagan (opposition), Rajneesh (square in the birth
chart, opposed in the chart of death). But think also of Adolf Hitler (very significant conjunction in the 8th
house), or Aleister Crowley (opposition). And, last but not least, Shirley MacLaine (on the Midheaven). http://tribes.tribe.net/darkmoongoddesslilith/thread/3bb5215f-f39a-41d9-9b15-78de451ba807

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I'm no nercomancer but I do find I must go deep, deep within myself to find my potential, which once I find it seems ot me very powerful and frightening, and perhaps far too much to realize. I also think this may way people have tried to censor and suppress me when I do try to realize my potential, out of a fear of this deep, powerful Plutonian potential I possess (keep in mind my Pluto is also in my 1st house, so this could be why people sense this potentiala dn react to it so intensely).

Here is an article of Black Moon Lilith in Libra that I can realte to alot as well: http://tribes.tribe.net/darkmoongoddesslilith/thread/a7a69123-5d50-4ad5-b802-0887185a4bbc

I can't find anything about BML cj. Uranus, which likely is important for me, because my Uranus is also a cardinal singleton.