posted November 01, 2006 03:02 AM            

She is 12 yrs younger than me, and with her as the Saturn,well..it feels like we are the same age. She is very mature,disciplined,structured,reserved,and serious. I definitely feel that. I have Moon square Saturn myself,and I share the same traits with her.

posted November 01, 2006 02:32 PM              

The Sun is usually considered to be the symbol of the conscious or rational ego. He represents the individuality of the conscious expression of goals and decisions. This is particlarly true of men, and often not so applicable to women, for many women relate to life through the feelings and insticts and consequently reflect the Moon rather than the Sun. The Sun then becomes the symbol of the unconscious male half of a woman's own psyche, the "animus", and if the qualities which are represented by the Sun's sign and house and aspects are not understood and integrated, then the woman will seek these same qualities in a husband or lover and attempt to live them through him.

The majority of Sun-Saturn contacts in relationships appear to occur when it is the woman's Saturn and the man's Sun which are involved. This is perfectly in line with the idea that the majority of women do not freely express the qualities of the Sun, and consequently a tie involving the woman's Sun would be largely unconscious and not so obviously powerful. There seems to be no doubt that Sun-Saturn contacts are very powerful and binding in relationships as well as being more common than the proverbial Sun-Moon or Venus-Mars interchanges.

When one persons Sun falls on another persons Saturn - and although the conjunction is the most intense contact, other aspects seem to be productive of similar effects if they are close enough in orb - those qualities which Saturn works the hardest to hide are displayed in full, glowing colours by his partner. This produces a very potent reaction which is more or less compulsive depending on the closeness of the aspect. Wider orbs than are generaly allowed in synastry appear to be effective when Saturn is considered, and in the case of exact aspects there is almost a feeling of fatality about the interaction which may result in the common opinion that the exact aspects constitute karmic ties. They may in fact denote this; we are not yet in the possession of knowledge which can tell us whether this is possible. In psychological terms this feeling of "rightness" or fatality is the usual accompaniment of intense projection of both persons unconscious qualities on each other - they are in effect falling in love with themselves. Whether it is karma or projection, or perhaps both, is a debatable point. But something certainly happens which is inexplicable according to the traditional rules of synastry. The longer one is in the company of the other person, the more the contact will be felt, and even a 10 degree orb between the Sun and Saturn will be apparent in time.

There is often an element of reluctant respect or grudging admiration on the part of Saturn towards the Sun because the Sun can express easily and automaticly those qualities which Saturn finds it difficult to express and frequently fears or dislikes within himself. If the Saturnian partner has some self-awareness, he will will be often be openly admiring and may be able to learn a great deal from his partner which will help him in his own self-expression. Only the Sun, the great life giver, can offer warmth and light to Saturns chilled bones. But with a person who is relativley unconscious, envy and hostility are often also apparent and the sort of pride which is of the "cut off your nose to spite your face" variety. Being the natural opposites in the spiritual as well as the astrological sense, symbolised by their rulership of opposite signs and their exaltation in the signs of each others fall, Saturn and the Sun are one, at the same time that they form an apparently irreconcilable duality. Each possesses only half the picture. The medieval alchemists knew this when they insisted that lead, which they called Saturn, already contained gold, which they called Sol, within it. The shadow as well as being the dark or destructive side of the personality is also the helpful hidden brother and cannot be ignored or abandoned because these two brothers together make one life. For this reason there is often an element of mutual dependency in Sun-Saturn ties which is so great that the relationship will often endure much buffeting before a break is even considered.

The great danger with Sun-Saturn contacts is that Saturn, if the individual is unconscious and frightened, may lean so heavily on the Sun that he stifles his partner. He may display a curious blindness to the Sun's chosen goals in life because he is busily attempting to live out his own cherished desires through the Sun instead. This can be particulary damaging if the Saturnian person is a parent and the Sun a child; for in such cases the child is rarely permitted to be himself, or to develop along the lines of his own potential blueprint. When this contact occurs with a man's Sun and a woman's Saturn, the woman will often be the unconscious source of power which pushes the man along a path he would not have willingly chosen himself for she is living out her own ego dreams through him at the same time that she preserves the material advantages of appearing to be the submissive partner. When a man's Saturn and a woman's Sun are involved, the man will unconsciously stifle the creative expression of his partner because he is afraid of what she could become if she were to express it; therefore, he must "keep her barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" so that there is no possibility of her excelling him. The fact that she may not want to excel him does not occur to him.

These kinds of situations are never very pretty to look at. They occur with frightening regularity, however, and the only possible way out of them which preserves the dignity and self-respect of both people is to bring the whole arangement out of the darkness. It is then possible for both persons to develop in themselves what each wishes to express so that both may appreciate their partners while maintaining their own inner centres. The relationship of the Sun to Saturn may be compared to a parent-child relationship on the psychological level, and if we are to seriously consider it as a karmic contact, it may well imply that this kind of relationship once existed in literal fact. The Sun, the eternal child who is full of light, new growth, and joy, is a means of conferring immortality to his parent because through him the parent lives anew. Saturn, the voice of experience and authority, can protect and guide his creation; one therefore provides the structure and the other the meaning. Yet if Saturn does not have sufficient purpose in his own life, or his life has been a story of frustration, he will seek to live vicariously through his child and may forget that the Sun has a right to his own individual expression.