posted November 19, 2006 03:39 PM              

Regarding the Saturn - aspects; well I have to disagree a little bit here, Glaucus. There may be many ways to experience Saturn. Some of them can be depressions and insecurities, but I`ve also repeatedly seen people with challenging Saturn-aspects, who were quite controlling, not necessarily controling others, but rather themselves. But actually I think, the need for control has often to do with feeling insecure.
At least I am this way. Keeping the control or being selfcontrolled is a way to fight my insecurities or at least making me feel a little bit more secure.
However, it may be different for other people.
But I certainly can`t relate to many of the Magi-aspects.
How can a Chiron-Neptune trine be THAT important? After all I share that with many people born in a few months. So it`s not very individual.

Apart from that I like to delve into Magi astrology from time to time. It may sound superficial to you, but sometimes it kind of amuses me a bit.

Well, Librachoice, regarding the sexual linkages. According to the Magi, there are several sexual linkages:
Venus - Mars
Venus - Pluto
Mars - Pluto
Venus - Juno
Mars - Juno
Pluto - Juno
Chiron - Juno
Mars - Chiron.

Oh and btw, they actually use the ascendant, just they see linkages with the ascendant or midheaven as one - sided linkages or activations.
Mmh, can`t really relate to that either.
Also, they don`t use houses. I think house-placements and rulerships are crucial in any comparision, because they are so individual.

DD

posted November 19, 2006 03:46 PM            

I was thinking control as the power issues,domineering,and superiority issues.

I discipline myself...I don't smoke,drink,nor use drugs,as well as I don't go out and have fun. I stay away from most people.

according to magi astrology,
I have:
Sun quincunx Saturn(I am not a bulldozer who will run over anyone in sign to meet an objective,not happiest in when being the boss in all relationships,nor am I very self-willed and controlling person like Magi Society asserts)

Moon square Saturn

Mercury contraparallel Saturn(I am not naturally inclined to the empirical ways of science,opposed to using intuitive skills nor seeking spiritual guidance,nor have a disdain for the arts and creative pursuits like Magi Society Says)my aspect indicates my feeling less intelligent than others and shyness in speaking as well as my hesitant speech and talking late. all that connected to my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia. late bloomer in speech,articulating,reading.
I have Mercury parallel Neptune

I am nonlinear, right hemisphere dominant thinker with poor sense of time,direction,and organization.Intuition is part of my life. All that connected to my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia.

Venus contraparallel Saturn(I don't have a reduced ability to love in a selfless manner)
I feel that his aspect indicates my feeling less attractive than others,my shyness in love/relationships,and my hesitancy to show affection. late bloomer in dating,relationships.sex.
I have Venus parallel Neptune.

Saturn contraparallel Neptune(I don't have a huge attachment to scientific thinking that Magi Society asserts...I am not an atheist,agnostic,nor attracted to Buddhism like Magi Society asserts). This aspect indicates my practical,grounded view about spirituality, and so I don't get involved in magick,mediumism,channeling,gurus,nor cults. I was skeptical of Astrology until 1998. I am not a believer in organized religion. This aspect indicates my restrictions from drugs,alcohol.

With all my Saturn aspects,I am no way near conservative. I am very liberal. The thing is that I am very reserved.

I agree with you, DD.

posted November 19, 2006 04:37 PM            

Can you help us understand the CAC chart with declinations (the 2nd image)?? I understand declinations, but the positions along the S-curve are confusing.....

posted November 19, 2006 04:47 PM            

I don't use those charts by the way.

I use Solar Fire. I use aspect list report which shows listing of all aspects but shows them my planet. They show the glyphs. You can choose to use without glyphs, but see the aspects listed as words can confuse the hell out of me..especially when its combined with numbers for the orbs.

for instance

it shows moon aspects
then sun aspects
then mercury aspects
then venus aspects
and so on
nodes,ascendant,and midheaven are the last 3 listed.

but yeah...I really benefit from professional astrology software.

posted November 20, 2006 01:35 AM            

Could u possibly have a look at the synastry aspects for me with your solar fire software? I'm interested in the magi astrology aspects specifically, I've kinda looked at the regular synastry and composite.

posted November 20, 2006 10:24 AM              

yes, I think we just had a semantics issue.

Oz,

I don`t have that software, but I can look into your Magi-aspects.
But please take it with a grain of salt. As we pointed out in this thread, there are many flaws in Magi-astrology. But it`s still interesting to look at a chart from a different angle.

Hmm, let`s see:

Cinderella linkages: 2
Your Pluto trine his Chiron
Your Chiron trine his Neptune

Chiron linkages: 5
Your Uranus quinkunx his Chiron
Your Pluto trine his Chiron
your Chiron trine his Neptune
your Chiron quinkunx his Juno
your Juno quinkunx his Chiron

Chiron clashes: 4
Your Neptune opposite his Chiron
your Chiron square his Moon
Your Chiron quinkunx his Saturn
Your Chiron opposite his Pluto

SAturn linkages: 2
Your saturn conjunct his Venus
Your Saturn parallel his Venus

Saturn clashes: 2
Your Sun square his Saturn
Your Chiron quinkunx his Saturn

Romance linkages: 3
Your Neptune quinkunx his Sun
Your Neptune contraparallel his Sun
Your Chiron trine his Neptune

Sexual linkages:
Your Chiron quinkunx his Juno
Your Juno quinkunx his Chiron
Your Juno conjunct his Mars

Mutual aspects or bi-level aspects (aspects formed in longitudes and declinations)
Your Moon quinkunx his Jupiter / Your Jupiter parallel his Moon
Your Saturn conjunct and parallel his Venus
Your Neptune quinkunx and contraparallel his Sun
Your Chiron quinkunx his Juno / your Juno quinkunx his Chiron

additonal linkages:
Your Sun trine his Pluto
Your Moon conjunct his Venus
Your Mars trine his Juptier
Your Mars parallel his Moon
Your Jupiter parallel his Sun

additional clashes:
Your Pluto square his Sun
Your Pluto square his Mars

I had only a short look at the planetary geometry to see, if you form "Romance Super linkages". Romance Super linkages are formed by at least three planets, which aspect each other. At least one of the aspects has to be a linkage (conjunct, trine, quinkunx) and there must be a Chiron-linkage included. The Magi say, that those RSL`s are a sign that oyu could fall in love with another person.
After a short look, I noticed three Romantic super linkages between you.
Two are a so called "Mystical triangle", formed by a trine, quinkunx and square.
Your chiron is trine his Neptune and this aspects forms a square and quinkunx with his Moon.
Also Your Pluto is trine his Chiron and this aspect forms a square and quinkunx to his Mars.
The third RSL is formed, because your Chiron trines his Neptune and both planets have sextiles to your Sun.
Well, I didn`t delve further into it. But what I noticed is that you also have ar very tight T-square between your horoscopes. He has got a Sun-Mars-opposition and your Pluto is squares that opposition. that "promises" some turbulences, and since Sun, Mars, Pluto are very active energies, there could be the risk of powerplays or even violence indicated (it doesn`t have to be that way; it depends on your personalities; hopefully you can channel this load of energy in better ways than fighting each other).

However, back to the Magi perspective:
The Chiron-Neptune-linkage is a Cinderella linkage and a Romance linkage. It`s called the "lifetime-linkage" and indicates that two people can be attached to each other for a long time.
the Chiron-Pluto-linkage shows much intensity, I guess.
The double linkage of Chiron and Juno shows romantic and sexual attraction, like Zala wrote in a previous post here.
The Chiron-clashes can indicate a turbulent relationship, but also a strong attraction.
You have only two SAturn-clashes, but those are not the easiest. You have the Heartbreak-clash and the Sun-Saturn-clash. Maybe you approach each other very carefully and slowly, because somewhere inside you you sense that this would be a serious relationship,w here you both would have to work on some issues.
But you also have the Sun-Neptune linkages, which indicate "non sexual attraction" and that you may have been close in a previous life. Zala wrote about that aspect, too.
You have some interesting additonal aspects.
The Sun-Jupiter - linkages and the Moon-Jupiter-linkage is called the "forgiveness linkage", so I guess this one is good to stay open and tolerant towards each other.
The Sun-Pluto linkage is also called the "obsession-linkage" and can intensify sexual attraction, if there are other sexual linkages (as there are in your case).
You also have the Sun-Pluto-square: Intense bonding with each other, fascination, passions aroused, but you could easily get entangled in powerplays.
The Moon-Venus-linkage is said to increase the emotional compatibility, indicating two people who deeply care for each other.
About the Sun-Moon-linkage I read that it can make people feel "as if soulmates".
And the Moon-Mars-linkage is also a very strong linkage. It combines sexual attraction with romantic attachment, and it`s power is just below a Chiron- or sexual linkage.

Well, that`s fragments of the Magi-perspective, as far as I know it.

DD

posted November 20, 2006 10:48 AM            

What do you know about Mystic Triangle?

I have one consisting of Sun,Moon,and Saturn.

Honestly, I think a Mystic Triangle with Saturn sucks. I feel that it really can hamper the gift,ease of my Sun trine Moon. It can indicate discipline,structure when it comes to expressing my feelings,a hard worker,and taking life seriously. Also not taking things for granted and realize that anything that I get can easily be taken away from. It can be an understanding of karma. This could be from having heavy karma. I am born on 29th. I read that number in Chaldean Numerology is the number of heaviest karma. It's called the number of Job. As you know,I am not really enthusiastic about that. hahahahaa

posted November 20, 2006 11:00 AM              

well, I don`t know much about mystical triangles; I came across them, when I had been reading on the Magi website.
But like you I think a mystical triangle with Saturn is very different from other planets. But it`s an important shape, because three planets are connected to each other, so they are some kind of an unit.
In your case your Sun and Moon are influenced by Saturn, which is not an easy aspect.
I guess, it indicates that you`re reserved, maybe even withdrawn, very serious. Also all those interpretations you gave yourself, are fitting, I guess. Saturn is not to be taken lightly and indicates a person who doesn`t take anything lightly. Maybe it also has to do with about feeling "insuffient". As if you always have to work harder than others to be content. On the positive side I would say that the Saturn-influence makes a person able to accept challenges of life and works all issues through. It`s not like Uranian people, who say: "Problems? I don`t like problems.", turn around and run away. Saturnian people will stay in the situation and at least try to solve the problems. I think that is the reason that Saturn is so important for having enduring relationships. Saturn doesn`t give up easily. It may not be a shiny, glamorous planet, but it makes you faithful. Sometimes Saturnian people feel so responsible for others, that they will stay in a relationship, even though the love has long gone.
I think Saturn has many faces, and even though he doesn`t make life easy for people who have Saturn-aspects, it`s aa very important influence.

posted November 20, 2006 11:10 AM            

You certainly have a gift for Astrology!
I agree with everything that you said.

I have another 12th harmonic aspect pattern.
This one consists of Moon,Neptune,and Pluto. I wonder what this is called. I know that it's pretty much sensitive,intense emotional nature as well as being attuned to subtleties as well as very subtle feelings. Of course can indicate victim of abuse.

posted November 21, 2006 03:55 AM            

I love the way u explain these things. Not really surprised we have such a lot of aspects. Regular synastry seems pretty nice too, and the composite is intense.

Quote:-
You have only two SAturn-clashes, but those are not the easiest. You have the Heartbreak-clash and the Sun-Saturn-clash. Maybe you approach each other very carefully and slowly, because somewhere inside you you sense that this would be a serious relationship,w here you both would have to work on some issues.

posted November 21, 2006 10:07 AM              

thank you for the compliment. I appreciate it very much.

Regarding this pattern of Moon, Neptune and Pluto.
Well, I don`t know if there is a name for it, but I think it may be similiar to the "Mystical triangle", only instead of the trine there`s a sextile. Maybe it could be called a "little mystical triangle"? What do you think?
Regarding your interpretation I think you`re absolutely right. It is about sensitivity, subtlety.
I have a connection of those three planets in the synastry with someone. His Pluto is trine his own Nadir and trine my Moon (which sits on his ascendant) and his Neptune is opposite his Nadir; so we actually have a Kite of my Moon and his Nadir, his Neptune and his Pluto. I am so emotional about him, I don`t know myself. With a moon in aquarius I`m usually emotionally very reserved, careful and detached, but in this case I care so deeply for this person, feel very vulnerable, yes, even dependent on him. It`s astonishing. Of course this is backed up by my Moon and Psyche conjunct his Ascendant; actually his ascendant sits exactly on the midpoint of my Moon and Psyche. There seems to be a lot of sensitivity involved.
Can this configuration be a sign of abuse?
Well, it doesn`t have to be. But I think the heightened sensitivity, fragility and vulnerability makes someone very sensitive to the feeling of being abused or even really being abused. But above all I think the keyword here is "hypersensitivity" (Is that the right word?). And in your case it may be even more "hyper" than usually, because of the signs and houses involved. Pisces Moon, Neptune near the nadir - can there be a more sensitive and vulnerable position for those planets? That`s pisces / Neptune all over your soul (Moon and Nadir).
The Pluto in the 1st house could be a source of power, an inner strength that keeps you going. Maybe this is the factor that lets you survive all those hurt feelings you may experience with Moon in Pisces and Neptune at the Nadir. I don`t know. But I think Pluto in the 1st house actually has a very positive side; a quiet, yet very firm and deep inner strength.

Oz,
about Saturn-clashes. I guess the Magi have a much harder view on them than I wrote there. But I just cannot bring myself to write something like: "Oh you have a Heartbreak-clash. your relationship is doomed". Everything in such a sentence feels just WROMG.
Despite all my reservations against the Magi, there`s something that still intrigues me. But I have to bend and transform it a little, to make it "my" astrology.
I like their idea of Romance-planets and sexual planets.
Just I widened that concept a bit, for my use.
In my opinion (it`s only my theory, and noone has to agree)
the romance planets are:
Moon, Venus, Neptune, Nadir (I`m still pondering about the asteroids; maybe Chiron, maybe not)
As sexual planets I see:
Venus, Mars, Pluto, AC-DC-axis
As intellectual / communicative / friendship planets I see:
Sun, Mercury, Uranus

I`m still unsure about Sun, Jupiter, and Saturn. Is Juptier an intellectual, communicative planet too?
What about the sun?
But for now that is my system.

However, I can`t bring myself to see Saturn as the "Big Bad". Like you wrote, it has a lot to do with carefulness, slowly approaching each other, sincerity and commitment. Oh yes, it can also be restrictive, depressing, heavy and in some cases even controlling, though not manipulating (I think manipulation is a talent of Pluto rather than Saturn).
So, yes, I definitely think, Saturn aspects can be a reason that you approach each other so slowly. you also have a planetary ecclipse of Venus and Saturn between your horoscopes (Venus is conjunct and parallel Saturn); Magi see it very difficult, saying that Saturn will be cold and restrictive and burdens Venus too much.
Well, this CAN be, but it doesn`t have to. I think it`s at least a sign that there`s a bond between the two of you. Saturn probably feels responsible for Venus, cares for her and protects her in a very reserved manner. he may not be seen, but he`s always there for her, like he`s waiting in the background, and he is loyal, faithful. Of course he can also demand of her to finally grow up and make a decision, so he can rely on her, too. And I also think that Saturn needs t he warmth and affection Venus can give, no matter if he shows it or not.

DD

posted November 21, 2006 11:36 AM            

More good insights from you. You don't cease to impress me.

When it comes to the astrology of love or sex, Dragon Points are the most powerful points on any CAC.

The chart above has a Sexual Aspect of Mars quincunx Juno; Mars and Juno are Sexual Planets. The Mars Juno quincunx creates four Dragon Points and we have marked the positions of all four Dragon Points in the above chart.

Dragon Points have orbs. In all four above Dragon Points, the orb is from 0.5 degrees less than natal Mars (at 25.9 Libra) to 0.5 degrees greater than natal Juno (at 22.5 Pisces). Therefore, the actual degree range of the location of each Dragon Point is 22 to 26.4 degrees of the sign the Dragon Point is in.

In the above example, if someone else was born with a natal Sexual Planet (for example Venus) at the Dragon Point that is in Leo (22 to 26.4 degrees of Leo), then the natal Sexual Planet would form a Yod with the natal Mars and Juno. This Yod would be comprised entirely of Sexual Planets because Venus, Mars and Juno are all Sexual Planets.

When such a Yod is formed, in Magi Astrology, we say that a Sexual Dragon has been formed – and the Dragon will consume the two persons who form it. The formation of a Sexual Dragon is a sign of virtually irresistible and insatiable sexual attraction.
http://www.magiastrology.com/dragon_points_2.htm

I have Mars in Aquarius quincunx Juno in Virgo which is Super Sexual Aspect,and my gal's Mars in Aries forms a yod with it.
Therefore we have a Sexual Dragon.

BTW. I don't put a lot of emphasis on sex. I am serious. I don't need sex more than the average person. I actually need romance more than sex. I guess my Moon square Neptune and Venus parallel Neptune modifies. I actually refer to sex as making love. It must be from my watching too many soaps. heheheehhe

Our Romantic Super Linkages are:

1.Her Chiron in Taurus links to my Juno in Virgo quincunx Mars(Mystical Triangle)

2.My Mars links to her Chiron parallel Venus

3.Her Sun in Aries links to my Chiron in Aries trine Jupiter in Sagittarius(Conjuncted Trine)

4.Her Jupiter in Sagittarius links to my Chiron in Aries trine Jupiter in Sagittarius(Conjuncted Trine)

5.My Chiron in Aries links to her Sun in Aries trine Uranus in Sagittarius
(Conjuncted Trine)

6.My Chiron in Aries links to her Mercury in Aries trine Jupiter in Sagittarius(Conjuncted Trine)

7.My Chiron in Aries links to her Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Sagittarius(Conjuncted Trine)

8.My Chiron in Aries links to her Jupiter in Sagittarius square Juno in Pisces

9.My Chiron in Aries links to her Uranus in Sagittarius square Juno in Pisces

10.Her Uranus in Sagittarius links to my Chiron in Aries trine Jupiter in Sagittarius(Conjuncted Trine)

11.Her Pluto links to my Chiron contraparallel Uranus

12. Her Pluto links to my Chiron parallel Asc

13. My Chiron links to her Pluto parallel Asc

14. Her Asc links to my Chiron parallel Asc

15. My Chiron in Aries links to her Jupiter in Sagittarius square Asc in Pisces

16. Her Jupiter in Sagittarius links to my Chiron in Aries quincunx Virgo Asc.(Mystical Triangle)

17. Her Mercury in Aries links to my Chiron in Aries quincunx Asc in Virgo

17 Romantic Super Linkages! TALK ABOUT TRUE LOVE! heheheehehehe

1 Sexual Dragon yod and 17 Romantic Super Linkages which include 2 Mystical Triangles and 6 Conjuncted Trines. As you see,it's not just about sex. It's far more about love.

Mystical Triangle: A Mystical triangle is formed by three planets where one side is a trine, one side is a square and the third side is a quincunx. A Mystical Triangle in a CAC is very powerful and creates a very high level of mutual attraction.

Conjuncted Trine: The 2nd most powerful shape of Planetary Geometry that 3 planets can form in the longitudes; it is a conjunction of 2 planets where both planets are in trine to a 3rd planet. When all 3 planets are retrograde, it is rare and extremely powerful.

page 340 of LOVE AND MONEY,
I read that apsects involving the Ascendant are like aspects involving the Sun.

I still don't believe in Magi Astrology though. our regular astrology synastry is overall harmonious any way.

Free will is the ultimate factor.

posted November 21, 2006 01:04 PM              

you really give me some more stuff to digest and to think about. You keep my brain working.

I read about Dragon Points, yes.
I form what I called "a little mystical triangle" with someone (my Pluto, his Venus, his Mars). Don`t know if that counts.
But actually I think it`s not soo important, if you`re forming a Yod, a Grand Trine, a Kite or whatever. What is important is to me, that there is some kind of planetary geometry. Three planets aspecting each other really seem to have their own magic, stronger than one - to-one - planet-aspects. Well, after second thought, of course some aspect-figures may have a greater impact than others. But I would even look at aspect-figures that include semisextiles. For example: I have Venus square Midheaven and my Mars is sextile Midheaven and semisextile Venus (and believe me, I DO feel the impact of the Venus-Mars-semisextile; it makes my hair getting grey. lol).

You wrote that, even though you have Mars quinkunx Juno, you don`t put a lot emphasis on sex. Well, even if we assumed Juno actually represents something sexual (I`m not yet sure, WHAT exactly she represents; because I also don`t think she represents the "ideal" marriage. Juno is a very complicated Goddess; putting a lot emphasis on commitment, family and marriage, being betrayed time after time; seeking revenge and being quite cruel, if bitten by jealousy); however, your Mars is in Aquarius and your Juno in Virgo. those are not the most sexual signs, I think. Yes, I know, Magi astrology, doesn`t look to the signs, but I still think they have something to say.
Also, as you said, you have so many romantic aspects, which modify this.
Actually this is the keyword for me: "Modification".
I can get something useful out of Magi astrology, but only when I modify their very absolute statements and interpretations.
It may actually be, that a Saturn - clash, especially to personal planets, can be bitter, restrictive and very negative. But it is only ONE aspect. I think we have to look to the other aspects, too, to get an overall picture.
As you pointed out. Yes, you do have a Sexual Dragon with your girlfriend, and it surely has its effect. But you also have all these romantic aspects (doesn`t matter if in normal synastry or in Magi astrology), and they seem to be so much more important.
15???
Wow! I will have to look at a certain synastry now. But I doubt there will be 15 romantic super linkages (what a stupid name! super linkages - sound like super-douper superman. lol).

What I find very interesting is the conjuncted trine. I have never payed much attention to them before, but they seem to have an effect.

But speaking of modifications of Magi astrology (is this still Magi astrology?), I would definitely include the ascendant and midheaven; they are so important; you cannot leave them out.
But I guess, Magi don`t put more emphasis on Ascendant, Midheaven and Moon, because they often work with birthdates without an exact time of birth. On Jupiterweb, where they interprete the CAC of a couple, they include the ascendant.

DD

posted November 21, 2006 01:14 PM            

I agree with everything that you said.

Well...I am a very sexual(the deep intensity,passion) person with Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio along with Venus square Mars as well as Sun contraparallel Pluto,and Moon quincunx Pluto. My Venus in Scorpio and Pluto are also in mutual reception. I like that merging with body and soul. I don't think of sex like most men. That's not me. Sex has to have an emotional,soul,spiritual connection. Kama Sutra and/or Tantra. Sex has to be with somebody that I love. also my imagination,visualization of sexual things and sexual fantasies can easily make me sexually aroused.

indicators for all that are:
1.the Mini Mystical Triangle of
Moon in Pisces in 6th,Pluto in Libra in 1st,Neptune in Sagittarius

2. Sun in Scorpio trine Moon in Pisces

3. Mercury in Scorpio parallel Neptune

4. Venus in Scorpio parallel Neptune

5. Mars square Neptune

I am extremely capable of being faithful,and so is my girlfriend.
I am restrictng,disciplined when it comes to sex

Indicators for all that are:

1.The Mystical Triangle of Sun,Moon,and Saturn
2.Mercury in Scorpio contraparallel Saturn
3.Venus in Scorpio contraparallel Saturn
4.Saturn trine Pluto

In COSI, I read that Saturn/Neptune has to do with Renunciation

I have Moon square the opposition of Saturn and Neptune as well as Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint.

Adding the Ascendant is nothing new to Magi Astrology. Midheaven is though.

page 340 of Magi Society's book,LOVE AND MONEY,

Ascendant and the Planets

The Ascendant interacts with the planets in a way that is very similar to the Sun. Please refer to the equivalent Sun-Planet combinations. In other words, to know what the ascendant and Mars combinations represent, see the Sun and Mars,and so on.

Mystical Triangle: A Mystical triangle is formed by three planets where one side is a trine, one side is a square and the third side is a quincunx. A Mystical Triangle in a CAC is very powerful and creates a very high level of mutual attraction.

Conjuncted Trine: The 2nd most powerful shape of Planetary Geometry that 3 planets can form in the longitudes; it is a conjunction of 2 planets where both planets are in trine to a 3rd planet. When all 3 planets are retrograde, it is rare and extremely powerful.

posted November 21, 2006 01:57 PM              

Yes, it seems you have some very strong indicators of passion.
I can relate to your take on sex. It`s all about a merging of body and soul on a very deep level. It`s nothing to be taken lightly, at least not for me. That`s the reason I could never even think of an One Night Stand. Sex without love? no way. I must at least have the illusion of being deeply and endlessly in love. And trust, very important for me. Well, as imaginative I am, I am very careful, very restricted, in terms of getting active in this area. I would say, deep inside I`m a very passionate person, but on the surface I act in a withdrawn, careful, restricted way, control myself very much.

Well, I have a Venus in capricorn in 1st house square Pluto on my midheaven. Venus is also ruler of my 5th house, to make matters even more complicated.
Mars sits on ascendant and sextiles Pluto.
My Moon is in aquarius in 2nd house and has a quinkunx to my retro-Saturn in Cancer in 8th house. Moon is also contraparallel Pluto.
My Neptune is conjunct Mars and Ascendant.
I`d say, sex is definitely an issue for me, but loaded with complications and inhibitions. That`S just how I am. I think I finally accepted that I can`t be like a lot of my peers are. I have a friend, who is so uninhibited, uncomplicated and easygoing in sexual relations. `To me it`s like she comes from another world.

Regarding ascendant and midheaven in magi astrology. Yes, they seem to use it, if they know exact birthtime.
I have copied you some excerpt from one of their interpretations on the mentioned website. It`s the interpretation of the CAC of Scott and Laci Peterson (why do they have to use such horrible stories?):

"Scott's Jupiter parallel Laci's Midheaven gives a one-sided linkage that is not at all mutual, putting her on the right side of his trust. Scott had implicit trust in Laci, and had the utmost confidence in her morality - giving her the benefit of the doubt, while Laci was not so quick to unquestioningly reciprocate the same confidence and trust with respect to the character of her husband, Scott, and his moral values. While most of the time inter-aspects show their effects on both persons involved, this is not true for the personal calculated points such as the Ascendant and the Midheaven. When an inter-aspect is formed by either the Ascendant or the Midheaven, the effects are not mutual - they are one-sided. So this un-reciprocal linkage possibly resulted in an inability for Laci to have blind faith or trust in Scott’s character, or at the very least, she held reservations and questions about her own judgments with respect to his true behavior.

The Venus applying square Venus inter-aspect brings an oddity to the union by virtue of the fact that their combined, desires, tastes, and sense of humor are at increasing odds with one another’s as time goes on – bringing continuity of increased incompatibility to their union

Scott’s Mars forms an applying bi-level (declinational linkage also) to Lacy’s Mars, synchronizing their bodies. This linkage is suggestive of sexual heights that can be achieved with one another that are just as great as the highs that are attained with any Sexual Linkage – however this linkage does not create the same level of sexual attraction for one another as the Sexual Linkages do. So what can we infer from this? Great sex

However, because Laci had a tight empathy linkage with Scott (his declinational Mercury parallel her Neptune), she so wanted to believe in his words, and this left her conflicted as to what was real truth with respect to his behavior, versus the fabricated and creative lies that were silently and attentively whispering in her ears. (Scott's Midheaven longitudinal activation of her Neptune"

Also, it shows that they sometimes use same planet - aspects, which I personally find important.

DD http://www.jupitersweb.com/laci_peterson_murder.htm

posted November 21, 2006 02:07 PM            

When I first got their book LOVE AND MONEY in 2000, they didn't use same planet aspects,Juno,Vesta,nor the Midheaven

There was nothing on Mercury-Neptune. Mercury-Neptune is empathy linkage....eh.
So my Mercury parallel Neptune indicates that I am empathetic according to Magi Astrology. I believe that my Moon square Neptune would also be empathetic.

They certainly revised a lot of stuff.

They can make anything work to support their theories.

They can come up with stuff like well...they had sexual intercourse during a heartbreak transit or they had their first child during a nuclear clash transit or Saturn was forming a heartbreak transit when they first talked on the telephone

you can make anything work

they use midpoints too

like Sun conj Saturn/Chiron is a bad for marriage chart

you get the picture.

I am glad that I don't use Magi Astrology.

another thing...I checked out Jupiter web. It's not Magi Society's website. Is the Midheaven stuff her idea or Magi Society's idea.

I don't like how they say that "this aspect makes him or gives him that"
I believe that astrology has do with synchronicity and that the chart reflects who we are and not makes who we are.

"Scott has an interesting declinational synchronization involving Uranus parallel Juno and both contra-parallel Chiron. Uh-Oh! This is not good for a committed relationship - such as marriage. His Juno-Uranus gives him a drive for sexual excitement and thrill seeking, along with a frequent need for changing sexual partners for the sole sake of experiencing something new and unconventional. This is a self-serving excitement for him with respect to sexual liaisons, cheating, one night stands, irresponsibility, and selfishness. Changing sexual partners for the sake of experiencing a new sense of adventure drives him to adultery and affairs. Chiron contra-parallel Juno gives him powerful sex appeal to fulfill his Juno-Uranus thrill seeking ventures with respect to his need for adultery and illicit sex."

my girlfriend has Juno square Uranus,and she doesn't fit the Magi interpretation. She is into loyalty,commitment bigtime. I have Uranus contraparallel Chiron. I share the same beliefs as her.

I don't like how Magi Astrologers judge people's character and behavior by their charts. The thing is that they do it after the fact. I am not impressed at all.

posted November 21, 2006 02:17 PM            

LOL!! Glaucus you are so funny, cause it's true I guess when it all comes down to it anyone can come up with their own rules and coined phrases for them they can be as silly as example- "The badluck chicken transit" During this time period it is best to stay away from poultry, if one trys to consume ANY kind of bird resembling poultry during this transit, woe to that person and the like! LOL!!!!

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted November 21, 2006 02:39 PM              

I agree with everything you said.
I have Juno widely parallel Uranus, and I certainly am not the way they describe this aspect.
Also, I really can`t stand the way they judge or rather condemn people because of their charts.
Furthermore it would be interesting to see what they would have said about that couple BEFORE that tragedy.
I mean, this couple did have the Venus-Chiron linkage and also a Moon-Chiron-linkage.

Even though I think that the thoughts on astrology always can develop and even change, they really "make" everything fit. That`s not a form of astrology you can rely on. AStrology needs rules and those rules should apply to everyone. If there are only exceptions to a rule, you can´t do serious astrology. What would we say, if someone asked us about a comparision?
Well, according to the rules or the theory this could work well, but you know, you could be the big exception to that rule,a nd I cannot see if you are.
Well in such cases we don`t need to do astrology at all. That is what I think.

posted November 21, 2006 08:34 PM            

17 romantic super linkages, Glaucus??? WOW!!!

I thought 3 was nice, but I don't think DD looked for more in our synastry, was there more???

I'm interested to know if the romantic and sexual dragon points have any significance in our synastry. If someone (Glaucus, DD?) could have a look I'd be most grateful.

posted November 22, 2006 03:43 AM              

yeah, I can understand that; that Dragon-point-thing is somewhat complicated. I think there are several aspectfigures that can form Dragon-points like Yod or Grand Trine for example. The important thing is that a Dragon point has to include only sexual planets like Venus, Mars, Pluto and Juno.

you`re also right, I just had a short look at your Romance Super linkages, there may be more. will check that later, when I get home.

posted November 22, 2006 07:33 AM              

regarding Dragon-points:
from watching their example I think that Dragon points are ALWAYS formed by only sexual planets (or only romantic planets), and it seems that Dragon points always include two linkages.
So far Dragon-points can be:
a Grand trine (includes three linkages)
a Mystical triangle (includes two linkages, quinkunx and trine)
a yod (includes two linkages, the two quinkunxes)

I wonder if that is true for a conjuncted trine or a conjuncted quinkunx (two planets in conjunct are quinkunx a third one).
However, I actually think they are applicable. NOt so much as from what Magi say, but from what I think myself.
There are planets that tend to be highly sexual; and if three of those planets connect to each other, the effect would be very intense and passionate.
Like if there`s a grand trine of Venus, Mars and Pluto. I think this could indicate even stronger sexual attraction than a Venus-Mars-aspect alone, or even a Grand trine, consisting of Mercury, Uranus and Mars. (which can be pretty exciting, too, but not as deeply passionate as the two personal sexual planets with Pluto, who intensifies everything he touches).
Also, I think a grand trine, yod, conjuncted trine of Venus, Neptune and Moon would tend to be much more emotional, sensitive, vulnerable, emotionally attached than the same configuration of Moon, Mercury and Saturn.

I`ll look into your chart later; now my lunch is calling for me.

DD

posted November 22, 2006 09:55 AM            

Sure 17 Romantic Super Linkages are a very unusually high amount, but that could just reflect the incredible,special connection that is between my girlfriend and me. She and I don't even have Saturn clashes nor turbulent symmetrical geometry like t-squares and grand crosses.

Our synastry is harmonious overall even in regular Astrology. Even in cosmodynes,we have + 99.8 harmony.

Connections vary.

BTW...I am not a believer in Magi Astrology.
I prefer regular Astrology. You can find a lot of insight just by looking at the major aspects and major planets as well as midheaven and Ascendant. All the other stuff like Eros,Cupid,Chiron and minor aspects. That's all for finetuning. I just look at the main players when I do regular Astrology readings.

Like Magi Astrologers, I do use declinations because they are celestial coordinates. After all,the sky is multidimensional. The 2 dimensional flat chart doesn't portray the whole sky. Astronomers use right ascension and declinations for locating heavenly bodies unlike most astrologers. Those are the celestial equator coordinates. Most astrologers only focus on the ecliptic longitude coordinates. That's what points in zodiac signs are referring too. Declinations are used to find out eclipses. For instance a lunar eclipse is Sun oppose AND contraparallel Moon. A solar eclipse is Sun conjunct AND parallel Moon. It's also the same as an occultation. I have an occultation with a star. My Moon is conjunct AND parallel Ancha,a fixed star in Aquarius.

I also do pay attention to the symmetrical planetary geometry. Turbulent symmetrical geometry like t-squares and grand crosses usually indicate a problematic relationship.

Free will is the ultimate factor.