posted December 01, 2006 06:39 PM              

Pluto Guiding Planet

Your special skill lies in your penetrating insight which enables you to develop and introduce new systems and principles of organization. Pluto Skill Symbol corresponds with the power to give old ideas and concepts new meaning and vitality, and the personal force and charisma to inspire and lead others. You have a knack for seeing the hidden side of things and the secret agendas of others. Your powers of persuasion and your penetrating insight into people and things may be your greatest asset, but it also carries the germ of manipulation.
Pluto Oriental people tend to be very intense and possess a high degree of personal force and will. With tremendous charisma and a commanding presence, they seldom go unnoticed and they may be feared as much as loved. When faced with obstacles, your first response is probably to simply blast through opposition, forcing others to conform with your views and expectations, but you may do better by tuning into the Guiding Planet aspect of Pluto. Look at the big picture, get a handle on the "ultimates," listen to the views of others, and take all possibilities into account before pursuing a course of action with the intensity and firm determination typical of Pluto Skill Symbol people.
People born with Pluto Oriental have a special, inside track to the ultimates involved in any situation, and they often like to strip things down to the bare essentials, so they can see what’s really important. As a Oriental Pluto type, you may be painfully ahead of your time. Attempting to get others to see things from your ultimate, inclusive perspective may be frustrating. Try to develop patience and avoid condemning people who have difficulty seeing things your way.

posted December 01, 2006 07:33 PM            

I can't be the only weirdo,radical

j/k

hahahahaha

posted December 02, 2006 12:21 AM              

So although I have an Oriental Pluto in the 12th house, since it is conjunct my sun (how close is "very close"?), my 9th house Saturn adds to this whole Guiding Planet business. Hmmmmm...how does having my 12th house Pluto square my 9th house Saturn affect all of this?

"Saturn Skill Symbol people often exhibit an even greater capacity for work, self-discipline and for overcoming hardship and obstacles than the Mars Skill Symbol type. You can best achieve your highly focused goals through sheer perseverance and through a profound understanding of the nature of people and things. When faced with difficulties, it is best to hold fast and study the situation in detail. You perform well when undertaking clearly defined projects in a highly ordered and structured manner or environment. Administrative qualities are strong, and others may look to you for leadership, protection or mentorship.
With Saturn Oriental, you may have an air of authority, and at times you exercise it too harshly. Though your knowledge and experience may be considerable, and acquired the hard way, it is wise to avoid rigidity and patronizing others."

Thanks for posting this info. It really makes a lot of sense to me.

posted December 02, 2006 04:38 AM              

My son has Moon in 5th for his....would this lend itself to creative pursuits at all?

posted December 02, 2006 10:30 AM            

I feel that a person who has to see for him/herself.

I don't buy into a lot of the old stuff
They make people with hard Neptune aspects to be psychotic spacecases/drug addicts and people with hard Neptune in 3rd placements to be stupid

I have those myself,and I am neither.

I believe in rigidity in Astrology. Sometimes I feel a lot of Astrologers are Saturnian and not Uranus.

Sue g,

there is such thing as the guiding planet in house

that's why I even typed up my guiding planet in 2nd house interpretation.

Guiding Planet in the Houses

The house of your birth-chart (the section of space surrounding your birth) occupied by your Planet of Oriental Appearance provides insight into the particular area of human experience through which your innate skills, faculties and aptitudes may be best realized.

Oriental Planet in the First House. The first house represents experiencing yourself as a unique individual. If your Skill Symbol is in this house, you may be an exemplar of your chosen profession — a representative or ideal man or woman who has integrated the qualities and functions of the Skill Symbol into the fabric of personality. With Skill Symbol in the first house, you may tend to over-identify with what you do — remember, you are more than a job description, no matter how well you fill it!

Oriental Planet in the Second House. You possess strong and highly productive skills and abilities which are apparent in all that you do. You may use your Skill Symbol very resourcefully for the acquisition of possessions and resources or as a means to acquire resources enabling you to pursue your real or personal interests and goals.

Oriental Planet in the Third House. Here the Skill Symbol may be used for accumulating or dispensing knowledge, and you may be more a general practitioner than a specialist. At times you may do well to remember that knowledge and information in themselves have no absolute value. Indeed, data and knowledge can produce destructive results when exploited by a mind lacking compassion and a broad frame of reference.

Oriental Planet in the Fourth House. The fourth house deals with personal integration, security, ones root power and the home. You may best use your special skills and faculties in the areas of personal and cultural integration, and for securing a basis of operation.

Oriental Planet in the Fifth House. Whatever skills and aptitudes your Skill Symbol represents, they are well used in the area of creativity, self-expression and for gaining personal experience. With your Oriental Appearing Planet in the fifth house, you may find it leads you to risk-taking and speculation.

Oriental Planet in the Sixth House. Regardless of which planet figures as Skill Symbol, its location in the sixth house enables you to focus your special skills and faculties on critical situations. You may use your Skill Symbol for self-improvement and to resolve your own personal crises and the problems of others.

Oriental Planet in the Seventh House. With your Skill Symbol in the Seventh House, you work well in partnership and in direct contact with others. You may use your people skills either for your own benefit or to help others by playing the middleman or representative. You may need to remember that you are more than a social image and that others are not personal resources to be used.

Oriental Planet in the Eighth House. You are especially skillful at business and at sensing and using the energies generated and released by human relationship. Your skills and faculties may be well used in conducting happy, productive and mutually beneficial relationships. But in a negative way, the same faculties may be used for exploitation and for getting what you want.

Oriental Planet in the Ninth House. You may use your skills and faculties to better understand and formulate large ideas, concepts and philosophical, social, scientific or religious systems. Individuals with Oriental Planet in the ninth house are often media savvy and use their skills to expand human horizons and understanding.

Oriental Planet in the Tenth House. You may best use your special skills and faculties to either advance your own interests in the social and professional worlds or to contribute new social ideals to the world-at-large. Your Skill Symbol may bring your before the public eye. Once there, you may use your position and responsibility in the interest of public good, or to bask in the radiance of your own glory.

Oriental Planet in the Eleventh House. You can best use your special skills and faculties within the sphere of your social environment or group to either draw attention to yourself through a show of glitter or to dramatize the need for personal and social adjustments and improvements.

Oriental Planet in the Twelfth House. Whatever skills and faculties are represented by your Skill Symbol, you do well to focus them on "ultimates." You work well in private or performing research, and you may find a place in little-known, obscure, or abstract fields. In another sense, this configuration points to a situation where either big issues need to be neutralized through the Skill Symbol, or where your special skills and faculties may serve a more than personal purpose.

posted December 02, 2006 01:37 PM              

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Some astrologers disagree about this, but the guiding planet has to be within 30 degrees from your sun, and before Ascendant.

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posted December 02, 2006 01:54 PM            

"The opposite half is oriental. To be "oriental in the figure" means being near the Ascendant, best suited to the Sun; to be "occidental in the figure" means being near the Descendant, best suited to the Moon. Planets are sometimes described as being occidental or oriental of the Sun. Occidental means setting after the Sun so visible in the evening; oriental means rising before the Sun, so visible in the morning. Ptolemy says: "When oriental, the influence is masculine; when occidental, feminine." This is a subtle influence, but he also says oriental planets are more powerful, especially when increasing in speed ("adding to proper motion"). Oriental planets are said to have "more height and hair", meaning that they have such an effect on the appearance of the native."

I am well aware of the above

but guiding planet is something different
It is a humanistic astrology concept.

"Finding your Planet of Oriental Appearance is easy. If you have a copy of your birth-chart, simply look to see which planet immediately precedes the Sun in a clockwise direction. If you haven't gotten around to having your birth-chart calculated, you can find your Oriental Planet by referring to an ephemeris for the day and year of your birth. Your Oriental Planet is the planet immediately preceding the Sun in the zodiac. For example, if the ephemeris shows your Sun as 22 degrees Scorpio and Neptune is shown as 10 degrees Libra, Neptune would be your Planet of Oriental Appearance — if there are no other planets between 10 degrees Libra and 22 degrees Scorpio. The depictions which follow describe each of the nine planets (the Sun is never in Oriental Appearance) when acting as a Guiding Planet and Skill Symbol. "

That's why they give interpretations for guiding planets for all 12 houses.

posted December 02, 2006 01:58 PM            

what do you mean?

guiding planet is the planet immediately preceding your sun. it doesn't have to be close to the ascendant.

that's why there are guiding planet interpretations for all 12 houses.

guiding planet is a humanistic astrology concept. It's not a traditional astrology concept.

Heck...Noel Tyl(4th stage psychological astrologer) uses the term peregrine for unaspected planets, but peregrine is a term for to describe a planet that doesn't have any of the five essential dignities by its placement in the zodiac. The five essential dignities are Sign, Exaltation, Triplicity, Term, and Face.