posted December 02, 2006 02:09 PM            

(Updated November 30, as promised)

A recent inquiry into the discussion Forum of this website focused on peregrination. In my reply, I spoke how -after some 30 years of study and observation- I have started to push the envelope, so to speak, about peregrination, to give us an analytical tool and concomitant guidelines that make it easier and faster to get to the core. I have pushed beyond the Classical guidelines of a planet in rulership, exaltation, fall, detriment, etc. as qualification of the planet analytically, especially when that planet is not in Ptolemaic aspect with another planet (conjunction, sextile, square, trine, or opposition). The earlier nuances were desperately needed by astrologers to enrich analyses (as were "Parts"). In William Lilly's time (1602-1681), complex point systems were devised to evaluate dignity and debility. The system is not inscrutable; it is just complex and cumbersome.

Do we still need this system of dignities and debilitations? We do have the outer planets now, and a deep psychological understanding of behavioral archetypes developed throughout this last century. I suggest strongly that we do not gain much analytical benefit for the Classical struggle involved with measuring essential dignities and indignities.

My suggestion -and, My Goodness!, has this been tested!!!- is simply that an unaspected planet (no Ptolemaic aspect) can be called peregrine, regardless of dignity or indignity, and that such a planet, in its need-behavior symbolism, will tend to run away with horoscope analysis, i.e., behavioral manifestation. There is no doubt about this observation.

I have covered this subject throughout the thousand-page Synthesis & Counseling in Astrology -The Professional Manual, but especially on pages 155-190.

We know that "peregrine" comes from the Latin, meaning "across, through, or beyond the border." Our word "pilgrim" derives similarly from the Latin "pelegrinus," and alternative form of "peregrinus." The meaning sense is being foreign, alien. In the sense of our discussion of its import to analysis, think of a king in a foreign land. If he has no attachments in the foreign land, if no one there knows he is there, his ego and self-respect can't take it! He has to make some noise to attract attention, of course! --This is what a peregrine planet 'does:' its symbolism drives itself into prominence in the life reality of the individual.

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Oriental Planet The Oriental (East) Planet is the planet that will rise at the Ascendant last before the Sun does (after the birth) in clockwise motion. No matter what the longitudinal distance this planet has from the Sun, natally positioned behind the Sun, if it is the planet that will rise before the Sun does, i.e., the Sun being next in line to rise up and over the Ascendant, it is the oriental planet. (Please see the "Oriental Planet" section in Synthesis & Counseling in Astrology for the full presentation.)
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The whole point of my post about guiding planet is that I am talking about psychological,humanistic astrology. I wasn't even talking about traditional,classic astrology. I don't care for it.

posted December 02, 2006 02:44 PM            

It just means that it's the closest planet east of the Sun ....that means the left side of the Sun

it's just interpreted in different way.

semantics stuff

posted December 02, 2006 03:27 PM            

I mean

it's the planet that is immediately preceding the sun in a clock-wise direction.

In Paula's case, it is Mercury in 11'51 Gemini which is before her Sun 28'06 Gemini. So Mercury is her guiding planet.

In Fred Astaire's case, it's Mercury. His Mercury in 24'09 Aries precedes his Sun in 20'12 Taurus. So Mercury is his guiding planet.

Finding your Planet of Oriental Appearance is easy. If you have a copy of your birth-chart, simply look to see which planet immediately precedes the Sun in a clockwise direction. If you haven't gotten around to having your birth-chart calculated, you can find your Oriental Planet by referring to an ephemeris for the day and year of your birth. Your Oriental Planet is the planet immediately preceding the Sun in the zodiac. For example, if the ephemeris shows your Sun as 22 degrees Scorpio and Neptune is shown as 10 degrees Libra, Neptune would be your Planet of Oriental Appearance — if there are no other planets between 10 degrees Libra and 22 degrees Scorpio. The depictions which follow describe each of the nine planets (the Sun is never in Oriental Appearance) when acting as a Guiding Planet and Skill Symbol.

Oriental Planet The Oriental (East) Planet is the planet that will rise at the Ascendant last before the Sun does (after the birth) in clockwise motion. No matter what the longitudinal distance this planet has from the Sun, natally positioned behind the Sun, if it is the planet that will rise before the Sun does, i.e., the Sun being next in line to rise up and over the Ascendant, it is the oriental planet. (Please see the "Oriental Planet" section in Synthesis & Counseling in Astrology for the full presentation.)

It's pretty much saying the same thing but presented differently

especially this:

planet immediately precedes the Sun in a clockwise direction.

he planet that will rise at the Ascendant last before the Sun does (after the birth) in clockwise motion.

keyword:clockwise

posted December 02, 2006 04:33 PM            

Instead they should have left clockwise out of it all together, and simply left it as the planet rising before the Sun. That way the person would work (starting at the Ascendant) counterclockwise back to the Sun, and whatever they reached directly prior to the Sun would be the Guiding Planet.

posted December 02, 2006 05:51 PM              

quote:

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Pluto is mine!Apparently I'm ahead of mine time and I'm meant to change people and have a lot of personal power.

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Your not the only guiding pluto, Juno, by your reply you seemed to think you were which was ignorant to be honest. So i guess we share similar traits, but differentiated by Pluto position. What house is your pluto in? also what are your aspcets to your pluto, that should give you more insight then what you've already assumed.

posted December 02, 2006 08:15 PM            

I guess that it's hard for astrologers to describe directions...need visual aids

posted December 02, 2006 08:53 PM              

Sun: 27 Libra
Mercury: 17 Libra
Moon: 9 Libra
Uranus: 1 Libra

posted December 03, 2006 08:15 AM              

Venus Guiding Planet

You are very concerned with how others value you and all that you do. As a Venus Skill Symbol person, you may feel impelled to leave a personal impression on all you touch, hoping others will recognize, accept, value and praise your originality or worthiness. Your special skills are those requiring artistry, perception, personal charm and grace, evaluation and judgment. In meeting the demands of daily life, you do well when maintaining your emotional cool and relying on your intuition and judgment in seeking a creative solution.
With Venus as your Guiding Planet, you do well when you allow your instincts and personal values guide you through practical life. Yet at times there may be a conflict between the preservation of your personal values and a need to be praised and treated as someone special, especially when material rewards, comfort, security and luxury figure as incentives.
To achieve happiness, you need be especially careful concerning career, employment and personal relationships. Just any job won't do — your high expectations and sensitivity to criticism, combined with a need for creative expression and a desire to be appreciated and praised, may place you at odds with a conventional career. If you feel frustrated with your current career, a change to a career requiring creativity, judgment or evaluation may be the remedy. Similarly with your choice of companionship and mates. You need to be appreciated and loved, praised and respected, by those closest to you. Because Venus is the first planet within earth’s orbit, in astrology it symbolizes all inwardly directed energies and activities, and in today’s intensely self-centered society, it may be too easy for the Oriental Venus person to slip into the self-absorption of narcissism — the "it’s all about me" syndrome. So, appreciation of others and the development of social graces should go hand-in-hand with self-respect and self-worth.

posted December 04, 2006 02:05 AM              

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'Would you know your Lord's meaning in this thing? Know it well. Love was his meaning. Who showed it to you? Love. What did he show you? Love. Why did he show it? For love. Keep yourself therein and you shall know and understand more in the same. But you shall never know nor understand any other thing, forever.'
- Julian of Norwich

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posted November 06, 2012 10:57 PM            

and pieced together the conclusion that she was raped. I'm still not sure if its true... but I think im awesome for finding that out.
P.S. Winona's a Sun/Mercury/Venus Scorpio!

posted February 10, 2013 04:36 PM            

You have a special knack for practicality and keeping things running smoothly. The busy teacher, housekeeper and the resourceful manager are examples of this type — their day is full of interruptions, adjustments and problem-solving. You can best handle situations by going straight into the heart of the matter and gently taking control. Your forte is an ability to cope with a constant stream of demands and quickly changing priorities. Moon Skill Symbol people are often do well in the fields of education and counseling. On the other hand, you may be prone to obsessiveness, over-work and criticism, tendencies which may be balanced or moderated by keeping the big picture and your ultimate goals in the forefront.
As Guiding Planet, the Moon symbolizes a reflective mind highly sensitive to everything in the environment and to the ever-changing flow of life and events. It places us in touch with our root power, which has a natural source, grounded in nature and natural activity. Yet the busy managerial and organizing functions of Moon as Skill Symbol, or its tendency to focus on the needs and requirements of others, may get in the way of tuning into your own needs and the larger issues and currents operating beneath the pressing demands of your often quickly changing mundane life. To serve us as a Guiding Planet, the Moon asks one to schedule quiet time for meditation or for a peaceful and relaxing nature walk.

posted February 11, 2013 01:46 AM            

at least it shares it's duties with Neptune here, (1°11) and Jupiter (2°12)

posted May 08, 2013 05:11 PM            

Jupiter Guiding Planet

Your skills and resources are many, and you have a knack for getting things done simply by taking things as they come. You have a social sense and possess a natural skill for handling people and social activities. Jupiter Skill Symbol people often seek prestigious careers, they typify senior executives, lawyers, politicians and people in positions of social and economic power. When in a tough spot, you do well to keep your spirits high and rely on friends and personal resources. You work best with others and on tasks which, while requiring a wide range of abilities, do not necessarily require a high degree of skill in a single area. Your generosity, social ease and ability to delegate are great assets, yet there might be a bit of a snob or money-chaser beneath the finesse.
Jupiter Guiding Planet denotes a capacity for tuning into and seeing the big social, philosophical, religious, economic and political picture, and an ability to sense where one best fits for the good of society, or where one is most likely to prosper. Often conventional in their aspirations, Jupiter Oriental types are frequently driven to seek wealth and positions of power and status, and self-awareness and a deep questioning of motive may be needed to keep the highly ambitious aspect of Jupiter Skill Symbol in balance with the social responsibility implicit in Jupiter Guiding Planet.

Oriental Planet in the Ninth House. You may use your skills and faculties to better understand and formulate large ideas, concepts and philosophical, social, scientific or religious systems. Individuals with Oriental Planet in the ninth house are often media savvy and use their skills to expand human horizons and understanding.

Well... I don't know. I'm not religious and not a teacher, politician or philosopher either. I do really try to stay positive whenever I can, I'm definitely giving and generous, and adapt to people. I easily lose heart, though, but that's where the oppositions to Jupiter come in. Taking things as they come is difficult, at some point I find it hard to really let go of the idea that I don't have any control over my life. But good social contacts are important to me. It's odd. Jupiter is also the leading planet in my bowl chart, I think, but I don't really feel like the big leader type at all. Maybe not yet. I should probably study Jupiter some more