posted January 06, 2007 11:44 PM              

Why couldnt I have Venus in a substantial earth sign, and not Sag of all signs.

I wonder if I'll ever get married, or form a REAL relationship...maybe subconsciously I dont want to and thats whats kept me from trying or even wanting one...I dont make any real efforts to initiate or form them. And Im too happy being single it scares me because I dont really want to be single.

posted January 07, 2007 12:51 AM            

So I can relate.

I'm sorry, I dont have any easy answers for you. I am just trying my best to see the women in my life clearly. I only hope that all the disillusionment we suffer is teaching us to be more practical and discriminating in our choice of mates. Honestly, I dont see it helping me. I am still ridiculously idealistic. I still keep my eyes peeled for "her", and nearly every female I meet is a candidate (or should I say suspect?). I am not even in any position to be an equal partner, financially or emotionally, but that doesnt stop me from preying upon women (i.e. flirting like a madman with little regard for who gets attached to me). And, of course, I always set out with the best, and most deluded, intentions; a savior in search of a savior, and full of faith.

There is a heart (or two, or three, or four) breaking for me right now. I'm trying to see my responsibility in this, trying to learn whatever it is I need to learn, without overburdening myself with guilt. I take on people's pain so much, and, already, I have so much of my own to cope with. I've been busy enough just talking myself out of suicide, lately. But I digress (and regress).

Anyway, you can always take comfort in the more positive manifestations of an aspect, however difficult. There are some pretty wonderful things about Venus/Neptune, especially in Sagittarius. You are probably open to states of spiritual ecstasy or appreciation which most people never dream of. You probably have great compassion and unconditional love for people and animals, a highly refined sensitivity to beauty, an ability to inspire yourself and others with sublime sentiments, and, from time to time, a very enchanting way about you. Also, you could look to the rest of your chart, to find what strengths you can use to compensate for what is lacking. And, lastly, you could read the interpretations for Saturn/Venus contacts and try to tune in to that energy. Good luck.

posted January 07, 2007 01:15 AM            

DD, you too.. I can sympathize with Venus-Neptune issues.

My Venus squares my Neptune (also in Sag, like yours), so I'm faced with similar challenges - prone to deception, partly due to my own inability to see clearly. There is also a d@mned tendency to be this self-sacrificing martyr in relationships which is invariably followed by disillusionment, feeling utterly unappreciated in the end... In addition to squaring my Neptune, Venus also sextiles my Mars, trines my Uranus, and quincunxes my rx Pluto & rx Saturn, so love is an extremely complex affair for me.

Perhaps you'd rather be single to protect yourself from being hurt? (I'm asking because I've done this in the past; I've built walls around myself because I've been scared that once I do give in, I'll get hurt, and I have been hurt badly in the past. It's pretty typical self-protection mechanism for me.) Unless you truly DO want to be single - then there's not a problem there, and you'll be happier that way. So, what do you really want...?

To get back to the Venus-Neptune issue, Neptune is a powerful planet - to tap its powers, you could try meditation. I meditate regularly... it helps me rely on my intuition more, and a bit less on ?mixed? signals from others, and while I've found guidance from such confusing at the time, it has turned out true later on. I should rely on it more though.. it could probably have saved me a lot of heartache.

posted January 07, 2007 01:22 AM            

Here's a detailed description of your aspect:

"This conjunction of Neptune and Venus indicates that there is likely to be a high degree of idealisation in the spheres of romantic relationships, images of 'perfect lovers and partners' emanating from an overshadowing by either the anima (if male) or the animus (if female) inner patterns arising from the unconscious mind. When evoked by powerful emotions of love, lust, passion and attraction to another person, these images of perfection are projected onto the loved one, forming a glamour which is quite bewitching - until frail human nature eventually reasserts its presence and the image collapses through a phase of disillusionment, when the lovers fail to conform to that pattern of perfection which has been superimposed upon them.

Essentially, you'll have a simple, trusting attitude, which can become unwisely gullible at times, resulting in consequences of deception and exploitations. This emotional sensitivity makes you extremely vulnerable, and is often the source of difficulties in your personal and intimate relationships. You hate confrontation, tending to be more passive and giving, and will shy away from any emotional aggression and insensitivity shown by anyone. Part of your ideal relationship includes refined culture, art, music and literature as common interests or personal talents, and where the concepts and environments of harmony and beauty predominate in a peaceful and tranquil lifestyle. You have an appreciation of the more subtle delights of life, with a sensitive and perceptive aesthetic sense, and your standards of partner and lifestyle will be quite high and demanding.

There will be an active and vivid imagination at play, looking to see or create harmony and beauty, perhaps reflecting in an artistic manner contemporary fashions in art, music, literature, fashion and culture. Your heart will be soft and tender, and often that sensitivity will be unsuitable for many of the more jarring and discordant environments of the modern world; you will hate having to rush around jostling in large groups of people. You prefer those sophisticated cultural scenes, with perhaps a small grouping of successful and intelligent people. Being delicate in the modern wold which is swept by powerful collective changes can be a disturbing sensitivity.This is why you often wear those rose-coloured glases, so that the stark reality and grim harshness of certain aspects is not clearly perceived or is kept at a distance. You can't avoid the wholeness of the world, and such abrasive experiences often stimulate disturbances in your life, as if trying to force you to look at them without distortion. This tendency continues into evaluating others in a realistic manner, especially when projections are evoked; often you are disappointed when their true natures are revealed.

You can be too impressionable at times, especially through that emotional empathy with others, and can revert back into being an impractical, idealistic and ineffectual dreamer if clarity and focus are lacking. You may need to learn to stand on your own feet, and be less reliant on others. Some can succeed in expressing degrees of universal love, healing through their spiritual understanding and acceptance of others; but in treading this path, there is also the crucifixion of the heart, and a willingness to share in the world's suffering."

posted January 07, 2007 05:12 AM              

besides,Moon Square Jupiter and Moon opposition Neptune

posted January 07, 2007 09:52 AM            

Remember me? We're born about the same time, so I share this aspect... you probably also share the Venus sextile Pluto one too, right? Bah!

I have a real love/hate relationship with this aspect because I lay the blame at it's feet for some of the highest highs and also the lowest lows of my life. In relationships, I'm constantly in a spiral of idealization, usually mutual. And invariably either myself or the other party come crashing down from the clouds in a (sometimes bloodspattering) thud... and then it's time to pick up the pieces, and it's usually excruciating.

I actually think some of you may remember me coming to a one of those especially bloodspattering, bone shattering thuds last summer... I was a total MESS!!!

I always tell myself that next time, I will try to keep both feet on the ground, but each time, the Neptunian delusion is too owerpowering and I am CONVINCED that this person is so wonderful and amazing and couldn't possibly have a bad bone in their body.

Overall though, I am thankful for this placement because I love that magical feekling of being in love and whe I feel it, it's really magical and amazing and otherwordly, and I think that without this placement, it wouldn't be as grand... and I just can't imagine it being any other way!

I am trying to get a hold of myself and be more practical in matters of the heart. I don't want this to sound egotistical, but I'm only saying so because I really think this is an effect of the Venus-Sag conjunction... but it seems after last summer, I keep meeting men who idealize me... who I don't want to be with. It's really hard for me, because I don't like hurting people, I don't like rejecting people and I believe in being absolutely forthright in matters of the heart. especially other people's. I've experienced this a lot... and I have to say, it's harder when the idealizing goes both ways... because in that scenario invariably, the day comes when I come crashing down off the pedestal... and then the resentment/disinterest/disillusionment come into play.

I feel like that happened in my marriage too. I was idealized and then he realized I was just a regular person and not this fantasy he had in his head and then he hated me, started antagonizing me, etc.

Last summer, I feel the same thing happened... except that guy was a chronic commitmentphobe and decided that I was "the one that got away" and sat there pining for me and using me as the excuse he hadn't settled down yet... then I separated from my husband and he pounced all gung ho like... and then decided I wasn't as perfect as he thought and freaked out again and back off. Except this has also said he wants "the perfect love, the perfect woman"... he wants that movie love you see in Hollywood... and honestly... with his lifestyle, I really think he thought "what the hell am I doing? I can do better! I cannot settle for her!"... He has issues and a God-complex that when I thought he was the bees knees, I wrote it off as cockiness that I found attractive... bleh.

He doesn't have Venus/Neptune aspects in his chart, FYI. I can't go back and look at his chart because I've banned myself from looking at anything to do with him ever again. I would not even acknowledge him if I saw him in the street. He is erased from my life. See how powerful Venus/Neotune disillusionment is? I once thought he was "the one that got away" and I thought he was mt soul mate and the potential love of my life! Now, I know him to be a lying, duplicitous, probably psychopathic (by the psychological definition, I'm not just calling him names here!), KING OF THE EGOMANIACS... He really treats women like crap and I know he has deluded himself into thinking that it will all stop when he gets married, I know what his attitudes are to cheating on wives and such... but from what I know of him now... whether he knows it or not... he will either never get married and continue going through women like disposable diapers, lying, two-timing, conniving... OR... he will get married and keep cheating. He just enjoys the attention too much. He exhibits all the lowest, creepiest tendencies you can imagine from a Pisces with Scorpio rising. He had me completely convinced that he was the most amazing, most honest, kind-hearted, knight-in-shining-armour, sensitive, caring man I ever met.

I actually still believe we are soulmates... but he is just soooooooooooooo not ready yet. So not ready. I do not want to know him in this lifetime. I am completely at peace with it now.

Anyway, I am rambling on too long, I am very interested in what else you guys have to say about this placement and how it has affected you.

posted January 08, 2007 03:02 PM              

Love is everything to me, but I idealise it a LOT!!!!!

Three husbands later, I maybe learning a lesson......

posted January 08, 2007 03:38 PM              

it always looks better from the outside than when actually in it because there is a better perspective of happiness to it that way then when in it

(like in pursuit of happiness - how everyone looks happy but in actuality people are happy in the pursuit of it rather than in actually grasping it and holding onto it because that is impossible to do - the happy part is in the pursuit)

or when in it, it's better to not look outside of it (greener on the other side of the fence)

always seems within grasp when pursuing it but once I have it, it's not as great. the people who i am involved with inside of it seem to fair better than i do from the union but it's not really like that when i look at it positively which is hard to do when in it but easy to do when I don't have it.

posted January 09, 2007 10:55 AM            

My late husband had Venus conj Neptune in the 7th in Scorpio and I believe, in hindsight, that he was terribly disillusioned in "love." And, fell into a terrible depression sometime in his early lifetime. He turned to the Neptuian escapsim trick of the drink to "hide" from his false expectations of love and relationships.

A Libra sun he was and his high standards for beauty and love/relationships were made ever misty and murky from the Neptune conj.

I like what Steve said about looking to the brighter sides to this aspect.

Maybe with Venus conj Neptune one could eventually learn to love love in a very spiritual way~~~~~~

Steve----

Peace to all

posted January 09, 2007 09:57 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted January 10, 2007 01:34 AM            

You can form a real relationship, and probably without much difficulty if it's the right person. You just won't likely be able to do it with someone with whom you have dreamy aspects with. For us, who are somewhat strongly affected by Neptune, we just can't be with people who trigger that within us. Find a more mental connection. Stay practical. Whenever you do find that person he won't be like anyone you've been with previously, so you might as well open yourself up to trying out guys that are outside of your typical mold.

In synastry you probably don't want the contacts that make the relationship seem fated. You want the tough, solid, realistic aspects that solidify a relationship.

The great thing about things not working right is that they force you to find an alternate way. For an Aquarian, that should be right up your alley.

posted January 10, 2007 03:50 AM              

well, I don't have Venus Conjunct Neptune,
but I do have~

Sag Sun conjunct Neptune in 7th
Venus in Libra in 7th
Chiron Pisces in the 12th
and Saturn opposing Venus, like AG

LOTS of idealization and Neptunian unconditional acceptance and idealism that wants to overlook all the warning flags and believe in things that could be, if only

AG, spoken like a true Capricorn
Just teasing, it was very sound advice,
but the thing is, although it might apply to many people, it might not for everyone.

Venus/Neptunian aspects aren't just reflective of how you are in relationships, they reflect YOU, on your own. What you dream, what you envision, what you desire...and so much more.

If you are dreamy, you want someone to dream with. Someone who relates and most importantly who understands you.

I'm very romantic, idealistic, dreamy and my exhusband was very practical. When you're so different you feel something missing, always. A yearning for that one to soar with and dream with and create with.
I decided I couldn't suppress who I was any longer.
I'm much happier now.
It's so nice to be entirely free to be True to myself, and I'll never again sacrifice that expression for anyone...so even if alone, I'm confident I can be happy, because I'm flowing with things I truly feel in my heart. I guess maybe unless you experience what that repression feels like for yourself, it's difficult to understand the joy it would feel like to be free to Dream and Soar and Create, True to yourself,
Impractical Dreaminess and all.

You learn in time to trust your instincts more...because Neptune brings great gifts of intuition, if only you keep a clear head as well and don't cloud the present with expectations and desires. Just allow whatever to be and happen, as it will and it will.

If you're looking for someone to ground you, you're looking outside of yourself and that will always lead you astray from You.
You can be centered and grounded and still be Neptunian...it is entirely possible to be both...and only truly grounding when it's found within yourself.

I can emphasize it's very difficult at times, but
Keep Believing, Crazy-Dreamy Aquarian.