posted March 21, 2007 10:27 AM              

Plutonian.

1) Define.
2) Do you consider yourself one?
3) List the related aspect(s).
4) If Plutonian, how do you feel about it? Proud? Wouldn’t want to exist any other way? How do you relate to other Plutonians? Love 'em, hate 'em, can’t live without em, wish they/we would go back to Hades? = X
5) If not Plutonian, how do you feel about them/us?

I guess I consider myself Plutonian, though not sure... 4th house Pluto conj Saturn in Scorp. Pluto opposes Sun and squares Moon. Since Pluto is also close to my IC, it makes hard aspects to all the other angles. I'm having mixed feelings about the placements, but I would like to hear what anyone has to say about Plutonians, whether you consider yourself one or not. [Plutonian] honesty welcome. Thank you.

posted March 21, 2007 03:13 PM            

Yep, you're Plutonian
There was a good thread or two on that very subject -- I have them bookmarked on my home computer, will copy the links here tonite

posted March 21, 2007 03:24 PM            

------------------
Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted March 21, 2007 10:50 PM            

As far as other plutonians I have to say my relationships with people with strong plutonians have a tendency to be very strong...and equally passoinate for better or worse. If any of you remember double sag guy from a couple of months ago you know how extreme that realtionship was.

posted March 21, 2007 11:07 PM            

Yes I consider myself "one"

Sun conjunct Pluto. Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Pluto in Scorpio. Pluto square Moon and Mars. Moon in the 8th house. Jupiter (chart ruler) trine Pluto...Pluto aspects all of my singletons...

posted March 21, 2007 11:24 PM            

-I dunno, one who loves to go beneath the surface, get under your skin, and dig up dirt. Oh, and did I mention the extremism of being Plutonian...or the stare?

2) Do you consider yourself one?

My outer facade says I am (this is how people see me most of the time).

3) List the related aspect(s).

Hmmmm, moon in the 8th; pluto at the top of my chart; moon sextile pluto; and mercury trine pluto

4) If Plutonian, how do you feel about it? Proud? Wouldn’t want to exist any other way? How do you relate to other Plutonians? Love 'em, hate 'em, can’t live without em, wish they/we would go back to Hades? = X

How do I feel about my plutonian side....oyyyy. Sometimes I love it, sometimes I wish I could trade it in for something else. I seem to scare people without even trying. And everyone always gets the wrong ideas about me....as if they know me pretty well.

posted March 21, 2007 11:40 PM            

You have a Mystic Rectangle!!! I would have expected no less
Sun quincunx Pluto, Pluto dignified in the 8th -- yep, you're Plutonian

posted March 21, 2007 11:40 PM            

How do I feel about it? Never really thought about it much. I am intense, and I am drawn to intense people with strong presence and personality. I like a sense of danger in my romantic relationships. I have extreme difficulty trusting people. I have strong intuition and I can sense lies. I'm easily bored and uninterested when I do not feel extreme passion and intensity in my personal relationships and I actively crave it. I have the "stare"...so I've been told many times. I've also been told that I'm intimidating.

I guess some of that is good. What's not so good is that I have MAJOR difficulty letting go. I do not trust easily. I am my own worst critic, and often times, my own worst enemy. I am never satisfied. I'm interested by all things dark, provocative, and sometimes fear inducing. When I've been wronged I am plagued by frightening dreams and thoughts of vengeance. I'm so jealous that it can become physically debilitating for me...but the jealousy only comes out in romantic relationships due to my posessive nature. That's difficult because I am a contradiction. I am not clingy (pisces moon, aqua on 7th house cusp), so I want space and time alone, but I'm suspicious, jealous, and posessive at the same time. That is not easy to balance.

I'm always drawn to other plutonians. I feel that they understand me on a deeper level, but at the same time, I have more difficulty trusting them than I do others.

posted March 21, 2007 11:46 PM            

quote:

---

I am intense, and I am drawn to intense people with strong presence and personality. I'm always drawn to other plutonians. I feel that they understand me on a deeper level…..

---

posted March 22, 2007 12:08 AM              

i have somewhat of a blindspot when in astrological realms...i can go as far as sun, moon and rising signs, and then i'm at a loss...so i appreciate so much any explanations -- and simplicity is key here, lol -- that i can get.

i looked up mystic rectangle, and this seems quite a good site explaining aspect patterns ~

http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/FAQS/AspectPatterns.html

Mystic Rectangle

A Mystic Rectangle is formed when two pairs of oppositions are sextile each other. The result is an aspect pattern that includes two sextiles, two trines and two oppositions. A Mystic Rectangle will always be in the same polarity, either masculine (Air and Fire) or feminine (Earth and Water). This is another "soft" aspect pattern in that it does not generate friction, discomfort or a need to take action. What a Mystic Rectangle does offer, however, is an extremely strong sense of balance and structure, of harmony between the four planets involved. Finding this balance is not a given ­ it will still take conscious effort and awareness. However, working with the Trines and the Sextiles will help to make more sense of and find the point of integration for the two oppositions.

Working with a Mystic Rectangle takes some practice because in order for it to hold up, all four planets must be working together and supporting each other. It is common for individuals with Mystic Rectangles to struggle with the two Oppositions, see-sawing back and forth between the opposing planets. Once the point of balance has been found, however, it becomes increasingly easy to maintain, and a well integrated Mystic Rectangle can be the most unflappable of aspect patterns. Once an individual has integrated a Mystic Rectangle, it represents a core of strength for them, and a solid foundation that can be a great gift in handling whatever else life throws at them.

i will really have to give this one some deep consideration!

posted March 23, 2007 12:48 AM              

Pluto
-conj IC
-square moon
-square venus
-conj mars
-conj saturn
-sext nept
Sun [also chart ruler] in 8th

Plutonian means things are never easy, simple harmonious. Always thinking of undercurrents in others and in relationships. Not comfortable unless the nitty gritty underside is exposed and worked through -- it's like if I know there's this old dirty black molasses underlying interactions I can't even breathe correctly unless I know it's cleaned out. Very intense emotional life.

posted March 23, 2007 02:33 AM            

All or nothing – Now or never – My way or the highway – Life or Death – Love or Hate – Good or Evil

Thinking in extreme opposites with no grey area.

IMO, the genuine Plutonian learns to see things as All *and* Nothing, Now *and* Never, My way *and* the highway, Life *and* Death, Love *and* Hate, Good *and* Evil (together).. thus coming to an understanding that thinking in any sort of oppositions distances you from spirit – where all is one and there are no oppositions.

Positive side – A true understanding of inner strength which comes from releasing control to a higher spirituality and loving unconditionally.

Negative side – A distorted understanding of strength which is believed to come from overpowering others, controlling and manipulating to get what one wants.

2) Do you consider yourself one?

I should hope not. It’s my South Node. I should really hope not. It feels like falling into negative patterns to say that I’m Plutonian.. when I’ve been struggling *not* to be Plutonian lol

3) List the related aspect(s).

Pluto singleton on SN. Venus opposition Pluto, Mars/Neptune sextile Pluto. Jupiter/Vesta/MC trine Pluto. Pluto in the 5th (Scorpio), bla bla bla lol there’s more but I can’t think of them right now.

4) If Plutonian, how do you feel about it? Proud? Wouldn’t want to exist any other way? How do you relate to other Plutonians? Love 'em, hate 'em, can’t live without em, wish they/we would go back to Hades? = X

Scorpio is too much a part of me (it feels to homely – easy – SN energy). The easiest negative behaviour for me to fall into is Plutonian.. In past years I’ve had some very Plutonian.. all or nothing experiences and had to deal with the deaths of people I loved. But that intensity isn’t something I’m looking for now. In recent years I’ve been moving more towards Taurus. I do appreciate the spiritual depth and understanding that comes from Pluto, but (as above) I’d like to think I am not Plutonian these days.

5) If not Plutonian, how do you feel about them/us?

I feel close to Plutonians who use their energy well with unconditional love in mind.

posted March 23, 2007 03:55 AM              

01. Sun trine Pluto
02. Mercury square Pluto
03. Venus loosely opposing Pluto (degree-wise)
04. Moon conjunct Pluto (in scorpio)
05. Neptune sextile Pluto
06. Pluto trine Ascendant
07. Pluto is in my 5th house

posted March 23, 2007 07:26 AM              

Pluto trine moon and my midheaven
Pluto sextile venus
PLuto sextile neptune
Pluto trine mars
pluto trine mercury

And i always thought i was a bit extreme maybe because of my venus in leo but after reading im convinced its pluto. I also have these transits att he moment

Pluto concunt IC
pluto opposing midheaven
pluto conjunct neptune
pluto opposing moon
pluto square ascendant
pluto trine venus

Im very dominant and demanding and also very intense i love very deeply but iv never been attracted to another force to be reckoned with i chose the ones i can dominate maybe because i have different aspects. im very controlling and i expect intensity and if i dont have it im not interested. Right now also with all these pluto transits im very messed up plutos not all that good.