posted April 15, 2007 04:05 AM              

Thanks for sharing that with me! Im sure everything is not as bad as you believe it to be. Maybe because you keep these feelings(saturnian) hidden so far under the surface(12th) it is making it harder for you to feel at ease about those things.

Of all the people i know with these placements, i think they also have a tendensy to push responsibility (saturn) to the back of their mind and dont actually deal with the issues that they are suppressing.

"Ignorance is bliss" can sometimes be said of this position but as soon as these people start dealing with their problems in practical, responsible ways (saturn)instead of being left to float around in the subconcious..(12th) they win!

Hopefully some of this may be relevant to you

posted April 15, 2007 01:30 PM              

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well hidden deep depression

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yeah, very private and internalizing. Finding it impossible to express how I feel or reach out. (although that's accentuated by other prideful placements in my chart)
I can have a complete suicidal emotional breakdown and no one around me would be the wiser.

and like Dulce, hoping I didn't reveal too much.
(that's part of it as well.)

I think it also influences periodic
urges for isolation. But for Saturn, even though those times are difficult, they're usually benefitial in the end.
12th house themes of escapism, with Saturn,
are experienced productively rather than destructively.
Like majorly intense deepest psyche-realm
make-overs.

posted April 16, 2007 04:08 AM              

Maybe that is the reason why you have never ending struggles...
I know a person who if i had been in their shoes would be saying the same thing as you...'never ending struggles'. But she has never said a word about the unfortunate circumstances that happen in her life.

She is an eternal optimist and is genuinely a happy person.

A 12th house saturn can have this problem of not trusting in lifes process..

Especially if saturn is deep in the 12th close to the ascendant (around 8degree orb) It can be hard to avoid the feeling of saturn sitting right on your shoulders like a grey cloud.

Alot of the reason behind this is because Saturn is synonyms with the word REALITY.

posted April 16, 2007 10:22 AM            

ANd Lialei,

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I think it also influences periodic
urges for isolation. But for Saturn, even though those times are difficult, they're usually benefitial in the end.
12th house themes of escapism, with Saturn,
are experienced productively rather than destructively.
Like majorly intense deepest psyche-realm
make-overs.

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What you said about the need for isolation sometimes is very true for me (especially wiht a virgo moon). The escapism is ver true for me too. However, this is the first time I've heard of it being very productive rather than destructive....I will ponder that one.

And yes Alanabelle, it "never ending struggle" fits.

I wonder if its so pronounced in me because of the fact that Saturn also happens to be my chart ruler (Capricorn Asc)?

And also, The Idea of having my saturn return in the 12th house scares the bejeezers outta me. Anyone already have their saturn return in the 12th? What was it like?

posted April 16, 2007 06:32 PM              

Especially with a Virgo moon too, which on the flip side may at times feel more like a pisces moon!

When your saturn return comes i think probably one of the most important things you need to do is like mentioned before..lots of space and time alone.

It is hard to turn the mind off for a Virgo moon aswell so id definatley recommend slowing things down.

A saturn return is not the end of the world, in short it just wants to make sure that you are dealing with your responsibilities (maybe youve got kids now, a new job basically growing up and haveing to become more 'responsible') saturn 'gives you a nudge' into this direction by bringing onto the surface anything that needs to be restructured etc
All the best with your return! Hope all that didnt sound too scary!

posted April 17, 2007 06:22 AM            

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Especially with a Virgo moon too, which on the flip side may at times feel more like a pisces moon!

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Could that be why I find affinity with them? I guess so....

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When your saturn return comes i think probably one of the most important things you need to do is like mentioned before..lots of space and time alone.

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Really? That'sa great because I was think of some serious psychological mess creeping up or something even worse.

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It is hard to turn the mind off for a Virgo moon aswell so id definatley recommend slowing things down.

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Oh believe me, it is hard. Especially with mars in the 3rd.....ayyyy.

Thanks Julia!

posted March 26, 2012 01:34 AM            

I guess I'm so used to it. Living more superficial than this might be nice...Ignorance is bliss hehe. Yet, I'd probably make many mistakes that I would never get to rectify. I don't like that idea, because even now I learn from my mistakes years later after everything was said and done. I just want to be able to fix what I caused and that makes me happy.

On the otherhand I am very imaginative. Slow to move but when I get started I'm a stubborn mule. I have recently enjoyed being alone more. The isolation started in 2007/2008. Yet it was more to avoid the constant vocal criticism I was getting from "friends", relatives, aquaintances. People just seemed to be too nosy in my business. I was normally very very social and then I started avoiding people that questione me constantly. Most of the people I know are type A....They never let up.

Anyway, I have done a lot of work on myself. I do trust in Life's process. That's what keeps me going...the light at the end.