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neptune5 unregistered	posted May 05, 2007 02:32 PM I guess this is a thread for 21 and older, or even if you just want to discuss it, because i am 16 and i want to discuss it with some of you older, more experienced people, in life and astrology. here are my placements that have to do with health, probably: Virgo AC Pallas & Eros in the 1st house Pallas conjunct AC 6th house Aquarius Uranus in the 4th Vertex in aquarius in the 6th moon in pisces in the 6th mars in gemini (8th house cusp Aries) okay, well i already know i have a low alcohol tolerance, because when i'm around beer and i smell it my stomach will get nauseated. What kind of effect would smoking, say... Opal ultra lights have on my health? (and i wouldn't do it even every week, i'm much more conservative when it comes too drug intake, although with my moon in pisces in the 6th, if i'm not careful, the consequences could be dire?) ------------------ Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged
libraschoice7 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: the city so nice they named it twice! Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 05, 2007 04:52 PM It is purely your own choice when it come down to it, no matter how much someone tries to tell you all that stuff is bad for you(smoking makes your mouth get pucker lines)I am quite sure you will want to find out for yourself eventually. With your placements you mentioned, you are ultra sensitive to the harmful effects which I personally would not play around with(Neptune in 6th is also bad) including being your age. Take with a grain of salt if you want. By the way I am 29 is that old enough for experience? ------------------ Sun in Libra Moon in Cancer Jupiter in Cancer Venus in Virgo Mars in Cancer Ascendant in Cancer I "FEEL" therefor I am IP: Logged
neptune5 unregistered	posted May 05, 2007 05:57 PM yes libra'schoice your experienced enough. And by the way thats why i mentioned I wouldn't smoke that often to even get pucker lines, besides i'd be smoking the lights. IP: Logged
Neon Artemis unregistered	posted May 05, 2007 09:14 PM Smoking messes with your hormones and deprives your skin of oxygen. It can have all kinds of effects if you do it for a long period of time - the effects are cumulative. I'd say the main problem is the possibility of addiction, depending on your personality type. IP: Logged
starr33 Moderator Posts: 255 From: Does it matter? Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 05, 2007 09:36 PM What is the motive here. Are you contemplating smoking to not gain weight? IP: Logged
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 982 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 05, 2007 10:08 PM neptune ~ Perhaps you might read some things from people here who were trying (and succeeded due to their enormous personal strength) to QUIT: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/006087.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001770.html IP: Logged
neptune5 unregistered	posted May 05, 2007 10:08 PM well for two reasons, and i'm gonna be honest with you cause like i've said to so many people, i have nothing to hide. okay, well for general social reasons, yea it's a bit superficial, but i guess i'll just grow into it or grow out of it. And because i think it may reduce stress. (when i'm stressed i try to go to sleep, but i thought 'drugs & alcohol' might help additionally) ------------------ Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged
Neon Artemis unregistered	posted May 05, 2007 11:03 PM Well, being a strong neptunian and dealing with the same issues myself when I was younger (29 now) - doing anything like that for stress reasons or to "get out" of something is likely to lead into addiction of some sort because you're using avoidant behavior instead of dealing with the core issues causing the stress. But perhaps that is something you'll need to learn about on your own. Perhaps you can find something that's more loving to your body? Yoga, etc. really good for stress. IP: Logged
*lunatic12** unregistered	posted May 05, 2007 11:14 PM I used to be a smoker. This is the simple thought that led me to quit: Think about it. Pros and cons of smoking. Cons outweight the Pros by a frigging landslide. It just ain't worth it. Period. ------------------ Cancer Sun/Leo Moon/Leo Rising/Sun and Moon in 12th House. IP: Logged
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4417 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 06, 2007 04:31 AM If you just feel like you need the sensation, use the patch. It's much less harmful, and probably much easier to get off of. Nicotine stimulates the brain to release dopamine, which is associated with pleasurable feelings, and smokers quickly develop regular smoking patterns. Eventually, smokers need increasing levels of nicotine to feel �normal�. As the nicotine content in their blood drops below a certain level, they begin to crave for a cigarette. This craving makes the smoker feel �stressed� until the craving is relieved. The relief felt when this craving is finally satisfied is the feeling that smokers commonly mistake as �relaxing�. (see also fact sheet no 9, Nicotine and Addiction) http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact15.html I myself started out as an hosest-to-goodness pack-a-two-week-er. I ended up a pack-a-day-er. Then I was able to stop cold turkey for 8 months when I was in a REALLY great place mentally. I started up again when I got out of the Navy. Then I was able to quit for good again (after many failed attempts over the years) when I had someone worthwhile to keep me accountable. The amount of times I tried unsuccessfully to quit is probably higher than 20, and that's not unusual. It IS that hard to quit. All tolled, I smoked about 10 years, which is about 2/3 of your life thus far. It's been almost 3-1/2 years since I quit. A University of Minnesota Cancer Center study reports that light and ultra-light cigarettes are just as harmful as regular cigarettes, and marketing messages that imply otherwise are just plain misleading. Link to article IP: Logged
MercuryBird unregistered	posted May 07, 2007 06:02 AM My uncle died May 2nd of this year from lung cancer. He lived for a long time in a basement with my other uncle and their entire basement and the house above smells of the cigarette smoke. There's three adult smokers(Two now) and one little girl who lives there with them. It's the saddest sight in the world. Smoking cigarettes, even the "lights" which is really a line of BS anyways is one of the worst things you can do for yourself. If you have to do something to fit into a "cool" group- buy an ipod, dye your hair, get tattoos even... but forget about smoking. It's becoming more and more lame with every generation. I'm only 19 so I don't have experience in terms of my age, but I've dealt with cigarettes, alcohol, and other drugs(and the concequences of all of them) for my entire life and I know people (who in their day were beautiful) who rarely smoked who have deep ugly lines around their mouths from smoking(one of them just recently had to have a hysterectomy and now thinks she has cancer. She also suntanned a lot as well(shes a Cancer). My older brother smokes and now has problems with some of his organs- which the doctors told him he'll just have to get used to. It's not cool and it's disrespectful to anyone who knows anyone whos been harmed by cigarette smoke, and its disrespecful to yourself. I had this Pisces Moon/Gemini Sun friend who started smoking weed and cigarettes and drinking in middle school and since then shes been part of the reason a 25 year old man went to jail(for having sex and giving her drugs at the age of 14/15), her parents then put her basically into jail herself, she dropped out of high school, and the last I heard was that she now worked at McDonalds and lived with a bunch of "scumbags". She started out with that "I won't do it every day or every week" kind of mentality as well. She's not happy and she certainly doesn't think she's cool. I could give you plenty of bad stories that start out with people using drugs(including my own). It sounds like you think you have to do something like drinking or smoking to fit in... but I think it's much deeper than that. You're okay with harming yourself(and potentially killing yourself) knowingly to be liked. My brother, a Pisces, is the exact same way. He's the one who has organ problems now and is probably being watched by the police because he has tons of drug dealing "friends". I hope this scares you out of smoking. Go tell your parents that you thought of smoking but instead you want to take up something else. They'll be proud of you and maybe even help you financially to get you other stuff to make you cool that won't kill you, if you can't accept yourself the way you are. PS smoking cigarettes doesn't reduce stress. It causes you to have cravings and makes you stress more just to get the chemicals back into your body. It's an addiction. When your body gets used to one cigarette a day, it starts telling you to have more so the chemicals are stroger. You get so used to it being in your body that you just have to have it. You can barely deal with difficult situations with out them. It's a boring drug, honestly. Some people think its cool to cut themselves with stuff, and thats probably less harmful than smoking. IP: Logged
moggym unregistered	posted May 07, 2007 06:25 AM Hi, As someone who is trying to give up smoking "again" as a 31 year old, I can say the best advice is to never start..... Smoking is a very difficult habit to kick, both physiologically and psychologically. As someone who has a 6th house Neptune (retrograde) addiction has always been something I have been aware of......For me booze and cigarettes are things I take refuge in when reality becomes too hard... Thank God I don't have a taste for prescription or harder drugs.... However "Some people think its cool to cut themselves with stuff, and thats probably less harmful than smoking." Self harm is not less harmful than smoking, and can be indicative of deeper problems with suicidal ideation....If you are self harming, please seek help from someone...Please...... Hugs Melindy You are welcome to e-mail me Neptune with any other questions... moggym@tpg.com.au IP: Logged
babeefoxx unregistered	posted May 07, 2007 07:24 PM my best friend's mom(astrologer) says it has to to with a 12 house placement, i'm not sure which one it is, but if you look online for definitions maybe you can tie it in somehow. IP: Logged
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 982 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 07, 2007 07:45 PM quote: And because i think it may reduce stress. (when i'm stressed i try to go to sleep, but i thought 'drugs & alcohol' might help additionally) Yeah, drugs and alcohol will help you get to sleep, but you're not dealing with the root problem of WHY you can't get to sleep. There are plenty of OTC sleep-aids in the stores. On the herbal side, you can get valerian-root caps at health food stores or the bigger grocery stores. For stress-relief, drink chamomile tea. There are some teas on the store shelves (Celestial Seasonings is one) with stress-reducer and Sleepytime varieties -- hops is the main ingredient of those (which is also the main ingredient in beer). These also have the advantage of being MUCH CHEAPER than cigarets and alcohol and are legal for folks your age to buy. IP: Logged
taurus/gemini cusp Newflake Posts: From: Registered:	posted May 08, 2007 05:20 AM Hey Neptune - please don't start smoking babe! Like me, you have a 6th house moon and I know for a fact, that all the years I smoked on and off, have affected my health to the point where I am currently being tested for cancer. (I have a biopsy coming on the 17th). I get tonsillitis several times a year, and I have contracted Glandular fever AND meningitis, after several bouts of chain smoking (although the cigarettes probably didn't cause these illnesses, I know that they made me far more susceptible. My immune system is pretty shabby, and I attribute that to smoking on and off for 13 years. (Yes - I was 10-ish!!!) From an astrological point of view, having your moon in the 6th house, aint exactly conducive to your health anyway - plus yours is in Pisces, and Pisceans (God bless them), are well known for their struggles with addiction. From just a general point of view, you're a stunning girl of 16, with your looks and your health still in tact - keep it that way my lovely!!! IP: Logged
izodesmozina unregistered	posted May 08, 2007 06:01 AM I have a Moon-Neptune-South Node conjunction in the 12th house. I quit smoking twice (but if I haven't started again during this awful period of my life, I don't think I'll ever pick that up again), I stay away from alchohol (but, surprisingly, I have a high tolerance for it - I seem to have an active alchohol metabolism), I was tempted by drugs but managed to stay away from those, too. I'm 24 btw. I will do everything in my power to stay clean for the rest of my life and I advise you to do the same. 1. Before you know it, these will run your life for you. It is well known that smokers (and other addicts) would give up food for cigarettes, if they couldn't afford both. And not only food! 2. It is not at all attractive to see (or smell!!!) a drunk/dizzy woman who smokes. Yes, I know, at your age it seems it IS. But trust me, it isn't. And there's nothing beauty asteroids or fixed stars could do to improve that. If you misuse or abuse your potential, you will probably lose it. Why risk it? 3. Acknowledge the fact that this is another method of avoidance of the real issues. You can run, but you cannot hide. Sooner or later, problems will catch up to you and you will have to deal with them. Why add addiction to the list? Because you will become an addict, make no mistake about it. We all started with a cigarette "for fun" or just a glass of wine and ended up doing this on a daily basis. 4. Reducing stress? Sleep problems? Do some yoga, Pilates, jog, DANCE, go out, have fun, flirt! You have so much choices! Besides, smoking will only add to your insomnia - it is great if you have lots of exams, but not if you want to sleep better; besides, it will only make you more nervous and agitated. 5. Life is tough on all of us, but that's no excuse to avoid it. Face your problems with composure, you will grow from this. Reality has its charm . IP: Logged
izodesmozina unregistered	posted May 08, 2007 06:09 AM Taurus/Gemini Cusp, I'm very sorry to hear about your health problems. I hope everything will be alright with the biopsy! You'll be in my thoughts! Take care! ((((((((HUGS)))))))) Izo IP: Logged
taurus/gemini cusp Newflake Posts: From: Registered:	posted May 09, 2007 03:58 PM Izo - thank you! And the same to you during this tricky period.... xxx (((((hugs back!))))) IP: Logged
alanabelle86 Knowflake Posts: 40 From: Somewhere over the rainbow Registered: May 2009	posted May 09, 2007 04:54 PM Why smoke anyway? It makes your breath smell like absolute **** , your teeth look like butter no matter how long you brush them, YOU start to stink, you will get wrinkles, you'll be broke as hell cuz cigarettes cost an arm and a leg. It's like hey go throw away your hard earned money to kill yourself. That doesn't sound very smart. If you wanna relieve stress go get a massage, take a walk, or exercise. Not to sound preachy or bitchy, it's just true. I've never smoked, but I know damn well not to start. It's a disgusting habit in my opinion and anyone who's willing to start regardless of all the warnings and obvious hazards thrown in our faces everyday, is just beyond me. Think about all the people rotting in their graves because they wanted to "relieve stress". Think about the people who lug around that heavy ass oxygen tank all day, if they can walk at all... you know, the people that started because "it relaxed them". Sry, I just have extremely strong opinions about this. Anyway, if you see the connection in your chart (which you do) why tempt it? You can do what you want anyway, but I ask you to really think about it. IP: Logged
alanabelle86 Knowflake Posts: 40 From: Somewhere over the rainbow Registered: May 2009	posted May 09, 2007 04:57 PM I know I'm quite blunt...No offense to those of you who are dealing with an addiction of some sort, and no hard feelings at all. I wish you all the best with recovering...Like I said, haven't experienced it but I'm educated and have been around the victims of this addiction enough to realize the utter pain, anguish, and frustration it causes. My heart goes out to you all IP: Logged

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