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posted May 06, 2007 12:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For anyone who has this placement,
or knows someone who does.


Venus in the 12th House:
Secret Love Affairs & Heartache
by Carmen Turner Schott


In our astrological chart, the pl net Venus represents love, affection, beauty, and harmony. The house where Venus is placed in our natal chart will reveal our emotional expressiveness and our ability to express love. Venus will show what kind of lover we are and what traits we find attractive in others. The house where Venus sits is extremely important for our intimate relationships. It enables us to express our love nature and directs how we express that love to others. When Venus is placed within the twelfth house, there are many difficulties.

The twelfth house is known as the “House of Suffering”. All issues that rule this house are kept hidden or secret. The deep secrets about our own personality, as well as our emotions are locked within this house. Having Venus placed here is an indicator of suffering through love affairs and through heartache at some time in one’s life. Almost every astrology book you read will tell you, that a Venus in the twelfth individual is destined to experience clandestine or secret love affairs. How and why does this happen? This happens because the expression of love is kept secret from others. The initial emotion of love is held within and sometimes never expressed.

Individuals with this placement often find themselves in love with someone that is not free. This often manifests as falling in love with someone who is already married or committed to someone else. Below, I will show several examples of individuals that I have worked with who have experienced the intense shock of having Venus in the twelfth house. I have studied several charts with this placement and almost every time the client reveals to me that they either had an affair, were in love with someone they could not be with, or they were in love with someone and never let them know.

The first individual has the Sun and Venus in her twelfth house. She was spiritual, compassionate, and sensitive to others feelings. Happily married for three years, her life suddenly changed. She met someone at work and instantly fell in love. The connection between her and this co-worker was very strong and undeniable. The feelings were mutual between them, but they both were married with children. She described to me how devastating it was for her to feel that way about someone else other than her husband. She felt intense guilt and shame for the love she had in her heart. That love was ignited and it seemed that nothing could ever shake it. This individual told me that she cried in her room each night and asked God to take away the love in her heart for the other man. The sadness in her heart was almost unbearable. She learned to live with her feelings in secret.

She believed in the sanctity of marriage and she never betrayed her husband. She never told her husband about her feelings for this other man. Eventually, she moved to another state. This example illustrates how individuals with Venus in the twelfth individual’s suffer through love and relationships. This suffering occurs because it if often inappropriate to feel and express the love they have openly. The secret nature of the twelfth house forces the Venus love energy inward, deep within and in the darkest recesses of the heart. There is often an inability to express the love nature due to material, practical, psychological or moral reasons.
There was a female client that I met recently, who has the Sun and Venus in the twelfth house. She had experienced tremendous heartache and suffering with her husband for seven years. She was in an emotionally abusive marriage and did not realize that she was unhappy and lonely. One day she reconnected with an old childhood friend from her past who she had loved deeply. There was a long history between them and a deep bond that was always there no matter how much time passed. They started out writing to each other on email and the next thing she knew, her heart was ignited, opened up and energized for the first time in six years. Feeling intense love for this man again, she realized that love was always there locked deep within her heart. She felt alive for the first time in ages. Excitement and energy rushed through her veins each time she spoke to him on email.

Eventually, the two of them decided to meet for lunch as friends. She did not realize what would happen to her that day and how it would change her life forever. She was walking into the fire with a bomb strapped on her back. When she saw him for the first time in seven years, she felt as though only a few hours had passed. It was as if she had known him her entire life, due to the deep, comfortable, feelings that she had instantly for him. She fell in love with him all over again.

The problem was that he was happily married and did not want to change his life. She knew that he loved her deeply, but she knew it was not fair to ask him to change for her. She was in a miserable marriage and was desperately seeking love. She just did not realize she would find it with him all over again. The day she saw him changed her life forever. She decided to stop the communication with him, because it was too painful for her. Eventually she separated from her husband, even though she knew she was in love with someone she could never have. To this day she still loves him in secret and keeps those loving feelings in her heart hidden from everyone she knows.

Many individuals with Venus in the twelfth house experience secret love affairs. Sometimes the feelings are acted on and other times they are kept hidden and repressed. Not all individuals with Venus in the twelfth will cheat on their spouse, but many will have “emotional affairs” because of the energy of this placement. Even the most moral, committed and happily married individual can fall prey to this placement. I have seen it hundreds of times with clients and with friends in my life. This placement of Venus is extremely difficult, but with understanding and compassion these individuals will eventually heal. Suffering arises as a result of the situations that these individuals find themselves in. It is important for anyone with this placement to truly look within and be honest about their emotions.

If you have Venus in the twelfth house and have experienced relationships like the ones described above, remember that it is not your fault. The energy of Venus in the twelfth house will eventually lead you into a situation like this. It is almost inevitable. The more I research this placement, the more I believe in destiny. These individuals are destined to experience these types of relationships and secret love affairs. Do not feel guilty or blame yourself for the experiences that occur. Simply try to realize that it is destiny and meant to happen to you for learning purposes.

My goal of doing astrology is to help others experience greater self awareness and to understand themselves better. By doing this, we can come to better accept ourselves and our own actions. If you experience these situations in your life, look to your natal chart and see if Venus is in the twelfth. If it is, try to remember that this is pl netary energy expressing itself. You have experiences and karma to learn and go through, plain and simple. Trust yourself and trust in the power of experience. Try not to blame yourself if you fall prey to this intense placement.

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posted May 06, 2007 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

interesting read, thank you HSC

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posted May 06, 2007 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fluke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have my Cancer Venus in 12H, and every time I fall in love I have to keep it a secret from most or some people, usually because it is wrong in some way.
My most recent "love affair" is with my almost married boss... See? And it fits right in to my previous pattern, It's always been like that, even when all the knowledge I had about astrology was basic sunsigns
ETA: Also, the guy I'm in love with usually never knows, because I feel like I have to hide it from him for all costs, hehe. Venus in 12H is me in a nutshell...

Is there any hope for us????

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posted May 06, 2007 08:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh this IS depressing!Venus in 12th (Gemini) here!I've already survived a 7 yr. emotionally and physically abusive relationsip.(Thank goodness I had the strength to get out when I did!!)Now I'm in love with a guy that lives in another state! That 2nd example really hit home with me!Except the guy I'm in love with isn't an old childhood friend or married(Thats a plus!!)Hopefully the worst is behind me...surely...after the 7 yrs I've had isn't it time for me to be happy?Karma y'all...good times have got to be ahead!!Hmmm...that starts me thinkin...what planets move approximately every 7 yrs?

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posted May 06, 2007 09:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just took a quick peek at my progressed chart,and it seems Venus has moved into Cancer and is now Conj my long-distance love's Natal Asc and Par.Fort.,but its still in the 12th house

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posted May 06, 2007 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AgeofAquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont have Venus in the 12th house but when it comes to a relationship I was in we had Venus and Moon in the 12th house, he was also a Pisces. We did however, have the same vibe, we were co-workers and had to keep our relationship secret b/c of company policy, also I loved him very much but I felt deep down in my heart that he was emotionally dishonest with me.

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Ha ha-- well, this article is comforting, isn't it? I've got Venus in Virgo 12 house (yet my Venus placement is almost on the ASC) and I find this relatable.

I do find myself choosing to not talk about my sexual life with other people. My love connections are felt in a deep, spiritual way--almost as if verbalizing how I feel would somehow make them less than what they are. I also like the novelty of "secret" relationships.

I don't feel bad about my venus placement, thought. I've got a venus conjunct asc in Virgo and I suppose that gives me an alluring, mysterious aura. I love it. It's the only planet in my chart in the 12th house and I think it gives me an alluring, mysterious persona. I can dig it. Thanx for the article.

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Venus in Twelfth House


Venus in the Twelfth House indicates a certain kind of shyness that is most appealing. You don¡¯t advertise your sexuality through revealing clothing and suggestive remarks. Rather, you might underplay your allure by wearing baggy jeans and thick glasses. When you meet someone you really like, the real you starts to emerge, layer by layer. All of the sudden, you become more attentive to your appearance, wearing flattering colors, form-fitting fashions, and handsome jewelry. You might even start wearing a subtle cologne as a means to draw attention.

If you¡¯re tired of hiding your light under a bushel, engage in activities that bolster your confidence. You probably excel in things like photography, poetry, and dance. A fondness for animals may prompt you to adopt a pet or volunteer at a shelter. Exploring your spirituality could also give you a stronger sense of self, allowing you to express your inner beauty in new and exciting ways.

(courtesy of Tarot.Com, from Sex Appeal Report)

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posted May 07, 2007 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Venus/Moon in the 12th house and I have never been in love with a married person or someone deeple commited to another. I think many years ago I can rememeber beeing crazy for a couple guys that were with other women but that was long ago. I am not interested in any one that has another.

However there is alot of truth to some to the stuff that was in the article..Interesting..

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posted May 07, 2007 06:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't really agree with this entirely. I have Venus in the 12th house and this description seems to be based on an old, out-dated view of the 12th house. This is a very limited understanding of one of the most complicated houses in astrology. One can't assume that because the 12th house is mysterious and involved with the subconscious, that therefore there will be romantic indiscretions, etc. Of course many people with venus in the 12th might experience this, but so might anyone else. I don't think it's a rule for this kind of angsty, cliche romance to play itself out with venus in the 12th.

Venus in the 12th house people usually see themselves as somewhat inaccessible romantically because we're very interested in our own world, and, depending on the spiritual development of the native, a transcendent realm of experience which can't be reached with any normal human relationship. Thus, what we're always truly seeking is a spiritual union with the divine. So, we feel dissatisfied with our relationships or even the state of humanity and human relationships in general. (hence suffering...we may even suffer for other people's bad relationships) We may not know the reason, because of course divine union is not an easy thing to obtain for the average human being. I also think that, in some ways, falling in love (regardless of whether or not they're taken) reminds us of the feeling we're actually searching for with God (or the universe, or whatever you want to call a higher force). Thus, unless we work towards a self-sufficiency and higher faith/union, we will fall in love with anyone who can stimulate that blissful feeling within us. But in human relations, for someone with 12th house venus, this effect tends to wear off. We're not really interested in conventional relationships because the taste of the divine dies after time and then we again feel lonely.

Hmm...not sure if this made sense. Hope it helps! ^^
Oh, also...I don't actively seek out relationships, I wait for them to happen. And those relationships always have a fated quality, even if they don't last long.

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"The twelfth house is known as the “House of Suffering”. All issues that rule this house are kept hidden or secret. The deep secrets about our own personality, as well as our emotions are locked within this house. Having "Venus placed here is an indicator of suffering through love affairs and through heartache at some time in one’s life. Almost every astrology book you read will tell you, that a Venus in the twelfth individual is destined to experience clandestine or secret love affairs. How and why does this happen? This happens because the expression of love is kept secret from others. The initial emotion of love is held within and sometimes never expressed."

I've been hiding my relationship from my parents and family for 2 years, I live in fear that they wont approve (they know him as my best friend). I'm so scared to let it out...This is very true. I don't know when I'll admit it, or if I even can.
This makes me so sad, I'm tearing!

-A Venus in 12th

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posted May 07, 2007 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
md81 ~
quote:
that starts me thinkin...what planets move approximately every 7 yrs?
Saturn conjuncts/squares/opposes its natal position every 7 years. Uranus changes signs approx every 7 years.

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posted May 07, 2007 09:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thx Az!!So I should be looking to Uranus or Saturn's movement as a key to the next stage of my life...

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I found this info at 12thhouse.com.It is a little more encouraging...

"Venus in the twelfth house creates a strong desire for attachment that is almost ‘other worldly.’ Here, the native’s inner world of desire and longing take on a magical, ethereal quality. With Venus in your twelfth house you enjoy your alone time and dream of lofty love affairs that are lush with passion. You thirst for the perfect partner, the perfect creative outlet, the perfect scenario that allows you to feel as though you are as ONE. You have much compassion for those less fortunate than you are. Your affairs are in secret, just where you like to keep them. In the negative, you can become self-effacing and martyr-like. In the positive, you are extremely creative and passionate with a deep love for life and an intense appreciation of beauty. You share this placement with Ben Affleck, Ann-Margret, Cher, Sandra Dee, T.S. Eliot, Frances Farmer, Mia Farrow, George Gershwin, Charlton Heston, Janis Joplin, George Lucas and Ted Turner."

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lol. funny that this topic came up because i am now in the process of trying to get over an aqua with venus/sun and ascendant in 12th house. sad part is, is that my venus was also 12th house. this relationship was intense and emotional and it sadly ended due to him getting back with his ex. however, i think they were and are lacking in physical and emotional expression. but before it ended, he practically forced himself onto me and cheated on her with me (and he has never cheated on a gf) but then i realized that it wasn't healthy for either of us, so i just took myself away from the situation and it's really hard because i do not think that he understands why and so he has turned it into almost cutting me out of his life. but i'm living and learning and i cannot wait to look back on this experience. i look forward to this growth period. it will be beautiful even though he will not be in my life, at least for the time being : (

damn that 12th house...

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posted April 12, 2013 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dreamwaker1111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oops, posted in the wrong thread!! 😁

I have moon and venus in gemini with jupiter on my cancer ASC. I'm almost 35 and I'm told definitely look younger than I am... But I act that way too...very free-spirited (always wanting to go out and have fun.). However with my fair skin and light eyes, I learned to stay out of the sun and I have always been physically active so I've got a good shape. I'm sure that helps as well.

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posted April 14, 2013 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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posted April 14, 2013 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eyes_like_pisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My boyfriend has this placement (conjunct with mars in Virgo -wish I knew more about it).

Kind of worries me, seeing as he also has moon in 7th and Chiron in my 8th house. He won't talk about his past much. Just that he's had two failed engagements and one on/off 6yr relationship with a legally married (though seperated woman). Doesn't sound too bad, but its discouraging to think he may emotionally fall in love/attached with someone (other than me, that he can't have).

Anyone with Venus 12th house that hasn't gone through hidden affairs and relates more to the positive article post?

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posted April 14, 2013 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this aspect and sadly, I relate to every word in the OP's post. I've even been in a relationship where the guy wouldn't be seen in public with me (not as a couple, at least). I felt like I was a dirty secret.

Venus in the 12th also depends on the sign it's in and which house(s) it's the ruler of, I think. What you probably should do as a Venus in the 12th is to reflect a lot on your love life. Try to find out why it went wrong and be okay with some of it not being your fault - or accepting that you did play a part in it (the self-undoing part of the 12th) can give you the inner peace not to lose hope in love.

Maybe you can end up using this experience for the good: by giving others advice or as a chance not to "be like them (= whoever hurt/strung you along in a relationship)". And Venus in the 12th people wouldn't mind giving up something of themselves to make a relationship work (or maybe that's just my Venus being in Virgo. Anyway), which can actually turn out to be a great thing if they find someone who has the same ideas or isn't the type to take advantage of others. They may be a lot more accepting of traits and issues in their partner that most people would be a little awkward about because of the Pisces link. As much as they're very, very vulnerable for being disillusioned and fooled, they're also the ones who can see someone for who they are once that Neptune fog has finally disappeared. For the good or the bad, depending on the person.

From my own experience, I've found that maybe us 12th housers have to go through a lot of pain and disheartening in relationships to find out what we really want in a relationship. Only then can we start picking out the bad guys and choose to walk away from them (because we finally see why they aren't good for us).

One of Grupovenus' reports talked about it being karmic and having judged people only on their looks in one of your past lives, so now you're in a position where you have no chance of picking people out on that alone.

And there's always hoping for Venus to move into the 1st house with transits!

Do you guys think you don't really "see" people of the sign your 12th house is in? Like... they're hidden from you? I'm racking my brain and don't think I know many Virgos, even though I have three planets in this sign (and asteroid Juno). Next to no Virgo placements in my family/few good friends either. It's such a shame, I think they'd be good for me.

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posted April 15, 2013 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemNymph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a really good article on the 12th house that I found via another thread here that I can't locate now, so I can't give the person who first posted it proper credit. but it's very insightful:
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/09/16/synastry-studies-the-twelfth-house-and-the-double-inconjunct/

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posted April 19, 2013 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That article is so interesting, thank you. I actually have the double quincunx/inconjunct with planets in the 2nd and 12th. It definitely got me thinking.

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I have a Libra Venus in my 12'th house. It really is very sad and hard for me i'm always falling for other men especially cancer men, but i am in a commited 5 year old relationship with a cancer man , that is hard to give up. I live in a dream world where i live out my love life with other people (it's like i can see other timelines i could be playing a part in with these people) i just look at them and i can see the whole love story unfolding in front of me.....funny is that they at some point eventually sense me and never one has opposed to the idea ,this making it even harder for me. All the daydreaming must be my method to make it easier to cope since i'm always trying to hide and kill my love for these people.
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Is there any hope for venus in the 12th house'rs? Once they've experienced the pain of loving someone unavailable, is there ever a happy ending? Do they ever eventually find the love everyone hopes to find in their lifetime?

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I have Venus in Capricorn 12th house.
I hate them both!
I would rather be warm, outgoing and affectionate.

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