posted June 16, 2007 06:45 PM            

So I decided to give my view on what seems the be the common complaints in regards to the air sign.

a) Libras are charming and sweet yet emotionally detached:

Yep we will make your day alright but you can't have your cake and eat it too Lol! Libras know how to please their partners and people around them with sweetness, encouragement, flattery, and honesty but born under the masuline influence of the sign, Librans tend to be emotionally indifferent on situations since emtional input complicate things that do not need to be that complicated in the first place. We aren't cold or detached; Far from it. Its just that bringing in the emotional factor just completely throws a perfectly balanced situational solution way offcourse and we seriously don't like that Lol! Hence we tend to affliate emos as weak beings (sorry emos...)

a) Libras are Strikingly good-looking people and as a result they are quite permiscuous and unfaithful:

Wrong. What seems like premiscuosity to some people is just soul evolution to a Libra. Enrichment of one's life is an ongoing process and thus that means that a Libra needs to interact with a whole slew of different personalities so they can continously give and recieve life altering experiences. I know it may sound a bit too cruel but you never find Libras say those sweet things again to you, they move on to another person to provide their goodness and as a result the partner in question feels betrayed. I personally try to lessen the blow by being frank right from the begining that I am only interested in a short term relationship for the moment. Just think of the movie "Sweet November;" We'll give you just what you need, just don't fall in love with us on a deeper level per say Lol! Just remember... We will hug you at night and cuddle up to you but don't expect us to defend a POV that we don't agree with .

However, that doesn't mean Librans don't make good partners; They make excellent ones IMO; Just that only a few people can ever relate on a Libra logic level and as such they end up feeling isolated in a partnership.

c) Libras edge people on with their indecisions and as such they are insecure and deceptive:

I can't stress as to how wrong that statement is. Making a decision on an important subject matter (say... long term commitment) requires a great deal of thought process and reason. Remember, we are talking about a life time deal here and as such a Libra needs to be totally sure as to if this is the person he/she wants to spend the rest of their lives with. Again it may sound cold to the more emotionally affiliated people but think this through reasonally; Inorder for a good progression you need a good start and as such a good start means being atleast 99% sure that the decision is a good a firm one. As such we will take our time with the subject in question. Even Libras don't like our hearts getting broken people . We aren't deceptive or insecure; We are just realists and we need a firm real solution based on facts; not superficiallity .

posted June 16, 2007 07:13 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted June 16, 2007 07:26 PM              

BTW - wth the emo thing, I'm gonna slightly disagree with this, as I think it depends on your view of 'what is Emo', there are just as many misconceptions about the 'Emo thing' as there are about Librans, if you refer to the stereo-typical Emo identity as suicidal and it's wrong to be happy then yes, that would be considered weak by most Librans, however if you view them as kids who are deep thinkers, concerned about the way the world is going or as simply a preference for a certain fashion, haircut or style of music then no, that's not weak, that's just diversity and most Librans appreciate uniqueness
And also I really dig a guy with eyeliner, it's kind of sexy

posted June 16, 2007 07:29 PM            

Other Sun-signs have NO idea how exhausting it is to be compelled to be FAIR to EVERYONE!!!

I do want to say that I don't agree with X's assessments, but after all he's masculine and I'm feminine And I dislike ALL generalizations, even tho I'm capable of succumbing to the use of them sometimes..... "Emo" don't bother me -- I crave/thrive with emotions -- but I'm a Lunar Piscean, so the deeper the emotions the better as far as I'm concerned. I love the deep emotional waters of the Fish combined with the intellectual agility of the Scales!!

Insecure, deceptive, unfaithful and detached?? Nuh-uh. That could describe any of the other 12 Sun-signs as well, given negative expressions of planets and aspects.

posted June 16, 2007 07:30 PM            

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Now way, no how LC; That maybe the main reason why I put up this post in the first place; Notice how this place lacks a good solid Libra population and I serously doubt its because they have no clue as to who Linda is Lol!

Libra is a sign of Harmony, Beauty and Fair-Judgement, with that oh so charming glaze to top it all off Lol! What's not to love about it?

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BTW - wth the emo thing, I'm gonna slightly disagree with this, as I think it depends on your view of 'what is Emo', there are just as many misconceptions about the 'Emo thing' as there are about Librans, if you refer to the stereo-typical Emo identity as suicidal and it's wrong to be happy then yes, that would be considered weak by most Librans, however if you view them as kids who are deep thinkers, concerned about the way the world is going or as simply a preference for a certain fashion, haircut or style of music then no, that's not weak, that's just diversity and most Librans appreciate uniqueness
And also I really dig a guy with eyeliner, it's kind of sexy

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LOL! Cat gotta say that's the first time I have read such an intrique twist on the subject . However, the people you describe above aren't Emos; but rather "individualists" (I should know... Just look at this maginificently beautiful creature Lol!)

Emos IMO are more on the "emotionally cripple" grounds; Unable to grasp the logical side of things and completely falling into a pseudo-depression state.

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I do want to say that I don't agree with X's assessments, but after all he's masculine and I'm feminine

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You know you wouldn't like me any other way Zala .

posted June 16, 2007 07:43 PM              

But though I am very expressive with my love for people in my life, sometimes I am way too emotional and have to pull myself back to the Libran logic.
When I make a logical decision it's almost always quick, it's the emotional decisions that have me swinging back and forth for months *sigh*

posted June 16, 2007 07:54 PM            

P.S. Sorry Xodian dearest i have to disagree on the whole emotions are weak thing. Emotional people aren't always the group described as emos (as a certain person once mentioned to my bf "emo is the new goth"). It is but a name for a group of teenages placing themselves somewhere in the world and being angsty over their life (and boy could i be angsty sometimes). But they arent necessarily trully emotional people. There are people who are empathetic to other's needs and feelings and who honestly feel others' suffering. I would hardly consider that weak but a lot would consider that emo.

2) Libras are not promiscuous! ARE NOT ARE NOT ARE NOT! well no more than any other sign and i would say FAR less than Pisces (i know 3 Pisces who cheat, btw im not saying all Pisces cheat so dont attack me) and Saggis, and Arieses. In fact Libras ARE in love with love and they trully love every person they fall for...forever...they will always be in their heart and in all honesty I havn't yet met a Libra who trully forgotten their flames. But that is because they cherish the finer things in life and enjoy as well as remember the wonderful moments spent with a loved one DESPITE the final break up. Furthermore Libras are extremely loyal to their loved one FOR AS LONG as that person listens and cares for them. When they start abusing the Libra kindness, Libras will give them many many chances before they finally make their escape...to someone else...but that isn't because they are promiscuous, its because they put so much of themselves into a relationship that when their loved one betrays them they are heartbroken and their self esteem is shot, thus someone else providing the love they need would certainly be appealing.

3) I admit Libras could be indecisive. So could rising Libras. I drive people up the wall sitting there mauling over 2 choices for hours, days at a time, fueling my gemini anxiety. People always joke that giving me two choices is the worst thing. But that is only because we trully want to make the right decision and not screw up/upset anyone. And they are certainly not deceptive, not on purpose anyways.

So indeed thank you Xodian for starting this thread. Libras happen to be by FAR my FAVORITE sign out of the 12 (even though im a Gem) and my favorite placement on my own chart. Very proud to be a Libra rising and terrible annoyed of all the "shallow/dumb/empty/" jokes!

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And also I really dig a guy with eyeliner, it's kind of sexy

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Haha me tooo! I always say this to ppl. Guys with eyeliners in black clothing....WAY HOT!

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And I dislike ALL generalizations,[/qupte]

Zala, deares, this is what i say all the time. I despise all generalizations as well!

Xodian - indeed she is gooooorgeous! I loveee the Scorpio energy its just boiling all around her. Way hot! My moon is totally impressed. Hope we get along (did u ever find out her rising?)

[quote] Emos IMO are more on the "emotionally cripple" grounds; Unable to grasp the logical side of things and completely falling into a pseudo-depression state.

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gotcha, disregard my previous statement. Im too lazy to go and change it lol

posted June 16, 2007 09:51 PM              

A teacher of mine from a few years back, who was a Libra with Leo moon, Virgo Venus and Mars, who got fired for showing porn to the boys basketball team, and watching the cheerleaders change in their locker room.. Before that, I knew plenty of girls who claimed he 'looked up their skirts and down their shirt'. (to which my response was "maybe you shouldn't dress like a s**t ..?") not to mention the fact that he would touch the girls pretty innappropriately. He was married. Right after I had him as a teacher, a friend of mine swore that he tried to have sex with her, and she's not a girl who craves attention.

THEN AGAIN, a good Libran friend of mine is one of the kindest, most generous guys i've ever met. He would never hurt a soul.

The one thing these two have in common, as with all Librans I know, they LOVE people and, aside from their little fetishes, they're very nice, and you can tell it's genuine.

posted June 16, 2007 10:41 PM            

1) Libra is misunderstood because it is the only sign in the Zodiac that is represented as an inanimate object. I would consider this seriously and meditate upon this. WHY is it so?

2) Libra is also misunderstood because its True ruler has NOT been discovered yet; and it is only borrowing Venus which is much more EARTHY than AIRY. Stop for a moment and meditate upon that.

Linda was right about Virgo not being Truly ruled by Mercury, but I believe she was mistaken about Taurus... it is Libra that is NOT ruled by Venus.

Meditate on the circle of the Zodiac, and the nature of the Planets, and I think you may see what I mean. Here is a link if you are interested in further thoughts along these lines:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum18/HTML/000038.html

Hope that helps.

Blessings...

The Opinionated Astrologer

A

posted June 16, 2007 11:53 PM            

I think Minerva is the missing ruler of Libra...

But that's what is so wonderful about sharing ideas... all food for thought and which Libran or Taurean doesn't like food?

Blessings...

A

posted June 17, 2007 02:03 AM            

That being said, I do definitely agree that the vast majority that is available about Libras comes far from giving them the justice they deserve. I think that the greatest fallacy is the superficiality and shallowness attributed to the sign. While on an external level, they do seem by others to be superficial, easy-going, and perhaps shallow, I think that this is not who they truly are. I think that much like Scorpios, there is a distinct aspect of themselves that they choose to keep from the outside world. I think that astrologically speaking and personally speaking that Libras are attributed to some ideal and that many people have a hard time accepting that they are just people and are far deeper than most give them credit for.

I also notice that most people seem to think that Libras are compromising push-overs, but often that is not the case. They are very passionate about their ideals and intelligent, and I doubt most would find the concept that sometimes peace must come through war as being unacceptable or illogical. When something threatens their ideals, they are far from the compromising push-overs they are attributed as being. But, unlike others, they do not fight for the "drama" or the "power", they fight only when they feel they must and seek to achieve the most efficient, quick, and decisive victory as possible. It is not emotionally driven, but objectively driven and, as such, exceptionally effective and "cold".

Also, as Xodian said, they are not necessarily indecisive, they merely place a great value on making the correct, and perhaps "perfect", decision. Many people become confused in relationships with Libras, where they see them as varying from hot and cold. But, what they fail to take into account is that Libras are an air sign, not an emotional one. When emotions that they are not sure about come into play, they will retreat to better understand them, to objectify them, and ensure that they are making the "correct" decision and the "correct" actions. Often, if a Libra "retreats" in a relationship, it is due to them attempting to get a handle on how they truly feel for the person, to ensure that they are not getting caught up in the emotions and making a "temporary" / "incorrect" decision, but an objective one that they are willing to see through to the end. Whether this questioning is in regards to them trying to determine if they even want to be in a relationship, or want to be in a relationship with that person, or on what level they feel for that person, it is generally them trying to understand what they truly want.

But, once committed, they are FAR from indecisive. They ARE a Cardinal sign, and the things they do, they do with gusto (with enough gusto to even impressive a Scorp girl, LOL). Thankfully, my Libra man wasn't quite so indecisive. After knowing each other for a few weeks, he was ready and willing for us to move in together and spend the rest of our lives together. Unfortunately, it has not quite worked out that way, but as I said, once they commit, they are committed. Nearly five months later, and while it has not quite progressed as quickly as either of us wanted, he has kept me sane and on focus, telling me that "time doesn't matter because he is banking on forever". MMMMMMM, he is absolutely yummy. But, back to the issue at hand, once committed, they are absolutely gung-ho. So much so that you don't need some specific verbal confirmation of it all the time. You can feel it in their every action, their every word, their every look, and their every touch. They are a social sign and not one that commits easily, but once they do, they DO.

I think that the greatest disservice to a Libra (both on a sign level and a personal level) is to merely disregard them with the superficial and idealistic vibe that can be assumed from their external nature. Attempt to see themas the complex and intelligent people they are and you will be one step closer to understanding them.

posted June 17, 2007 02:25 AM            

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2) Libra is also misunderstood because its True ruler has NOT been discovered yet; and it is only borrowing Venus which is much more EARTHY than AIRY. Stop for a moment and meditate upon that.

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I would disagree with this. By your own assessment, Venus IS the correct ruler of Libra. While astrologically speaking Libra is attributed to the Aphrodite / Venus qualities of the planet Venus, what is generally disregarded is that mythologically speaking Venus / Aphrodite was only attributed to the Evening Star. Athena / Minerva was the Morning Star. Many other mythologies were capable of seeing both the Evening Star and Morning Star as the same "star" / planet, and attributed the "duality" of those concepts to the star as a whole. That being said, Greek and Roman mythology saw them as two different stars and, when they planet was given a name, it was attributed to Venus / Aphrodite and its Athena / Minerva qualities were "forgotten" and disregarded.

posted June 17, 2007 04:51 AM              

I've also always wondered about Leo..."In mythological aspects, the planetary ruler of Leo is likened to Apollo, the Roman Sun God"


http://www.novareinna.com/constellation/leoplanet.html

posted June 17, 2007 05:05 AM            

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If you look at both the Aphrodite and Athena qualities that the planet should "bestow", then I find Libra to be far more "Venusian" than Taurus. Though, that is just my personal assessment.

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posted June 17, 2007 05:24 AM              

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Pluto is mentioned many times by Aleister Crowley in the Book of Thoth, a book about his tarot deck written in the 1940s. This book is actually a good source of information on Pluto. But it was not until 1973 that a small book was issued on this planet, by Isabel Hickey, titled Pluto or Minerva: The Choice is Yours. A major book did not appear until around 1985, when Jeff Green published Pluto: Evolutionary Journey of the Soul and pretty much assigned Pluto the meaning that it has today in poplar astrology, something associated with spiritual evolution.

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Isabel Hickey, in her 1973 pamphlet, Pluto or Minerva: The Choice is Yours, wrote what was probably the first coherent delineation of Pluto in the English language, emphasizing the dual nature of Pluto, which she proposed represents, "The energy in us which is unknown on the surface but which works in the depths of our being. It rules the underworld in us, as well as the highest part of us. In its lowest aspect it can be working silently within and unknown under the surface and then erupt with violence."

She describes two different methods of operation of this planet. "The highest aspect of Pluto (Minerva, goddess of wisdom), works in a different fashion [than the lowest]. It changes the individual from within and comes imperceptibly like the dawn of a new day. It changes the individual so his is never again in the same state of consciousness. Purged of the dross, he is refined and regenerated."

Most people experience this dualism as a combination of enforced change from the outside, and deep evolutionary movement from the inside.

What is interesting is that Hickey came up with this delineation in 1973, after much observation of her clients -- but five years before the discovery of Charon. In later commentary shortly before her death, she noted that with the discovery of Charon (which was not immediately named), the Minerva aspect of Pluto had emerged from the cosmos as a distinct, tangible entity, and had in a sense been borne out.

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posted June 17, 2007 01:14 PM            

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In fact Libras ARE in love with love and they trully love every person they fall for...forever...they will always be in their heart and in all honesty I havn't yet met a Libra who trully forgotten their flames. But that is because they cherish the finer things in life and enjoy as well as remember the wonderful moments spent with a loved one DESPITE the final break up. Furthermore Libras are extremely loyal to their loved one FOR AS LONG as that person listens and cares for them. When they start abusing the Libra kindness, Libras will give them many many chances before they finally make their escape...to someone else...but that isn't because they are promiscuous, its because they put so much of themselves into a relationship that when their loved one betrays them they are heartbroken and their self esteem is shot, thus someone else providing the love they need would certainly be appealing.

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Well yes I do agree but that is because we both think on a Air Sign level do we not? Lol! To us, the search for a good partner isn't being unfaithful; Its just an ongoing journey towards mutual experience exchange. However, most people don't see it that way unfortunately and thus the Libra's extremely social characteristics (i.e. flirtation, etc.) tend to be viewed by others as an attempt to seduce someone else which IMO is way far from the truth.

And yes... We do not forget about our past lovers and that is another factor that doesn't seem to go well with a new partner Lol! Comeon people; How can we ever forget a person who was such an important part of our lives?

Oh and about the Angel in the pic:

I still have no darned clue as to what her rising sign is; Been indulging in her oh so enigmatic waters and so you can't blame me for forgetting to ask .

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They ARE a Cardinal sign, and the things they do, they do with gusto (with enough gusto to even impressive a Scorp girl, LOL).

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Well its no secreat why he did it; Atleast through my POV anyway Lol! My girlfriend is a Scorpio and as such apart from the fact that she is gorgeous enough to put Angelina Jolie to shame, she is still quite the enigma to me; So familiar yet so unfamiliar Lol! It keeps things so much more interesting IMO; Then again she still doesn't know half the other stuff I do either atleast I think she doesn't Lol!)

And on the comment about Libras having qualities of both Athena and Aphroditie:

posted June 17, 2007 02:10 PM              

6 Venus LOve, goes to Gemini 06-06-0006, is Man/Woman is the Beast, the birth of the son of God in human form, He is LOve, the Morning Star!

Earth-Pan Horus = 10, Mother Earth has also Mercury, that's the Trick, she created the Twins, Isis and Osiris, Set and Nephtys

11 goes to Libra, see 1 1, balance, Minerva

12 Vulcan Virgo, a second Sun

0 Pluto the First MOther, Lilith, who did not create the human race. ...
and as we can see today, has been demoted..
Perhaps Mercury goes to Scorpio, now!?

now each has pairs, and Mercury 5 plays through the signs, Loki tricks humans!

I don't know, but it's something close to that, we have been fooled, I feel the sign most misunderstood is Gemini, 2in1, the Butterfly, tied to Minerva???

we can't go by the past, we have to look at the sky today, it has changed, Libra was created for balance and Harmony, two pillars 1 1 , 1 2 the new beginning. ...
13 is the Master-MOther and Father God in Heaven. ...

I did not write this to upset anyOne, these are my thoughts... .

posted June 17, 2007 04:04 PM              

In this last creation, the Soul was split in two, into human male and female form. So, Gemini should be an even number..
the Trinity Body Mind Soul
3 and 3 = 6
Gemini, healing the twins through butterfly transformation!

or multiply 3 X 3 = 9 Mars Wars
when the twin multiplied Mars was formed, is Mars Horus?
For it is said that Osiris re-Incarnated into Horus, thus Isis chose her son, for if one has a child, the child comes first?

posted June 17, 2007 07:35 PM              

Taurus: Venus
Libra: Minerva
Virgo: Vulcan

Pan-Horus??? Apollo???

posted June 17, 2007 07:59 PM              

A L(3) 0(7) LOOP

L and O = 10

posted June 17, 2007 09:47 PM              

I think the most misunderstood sign is Aquarius, hands down. It's hard to be different & eccentric.

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"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis