posted August 12, 2007 12:22 PM              

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We are a llllllong way from answering that question definately.

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posted August 12, 2007 12:36 PM            

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Yes I am sure marriage isn't a bad thing when all the cards have been played right and no one's keeping any wild hands up their sleeves.

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posted August 12, 2007 02:04 PM            

Anyway, getting back on track:

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Anyway choosing not to marry based on principles is just as bad as marrying "just cause".

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And so is making unwarrented assumptions . As I said before, me and my girlfriend are both individualists at heart but we do love each other; there is no denying that.

posted August 12, 2007 10:46 PM            

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reports such as these really become saturated with biased conclusions.

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I still personally think that that's too dramatic a conclusion. What would the author have to gain from skewing the numbers? Nothing.

From amazon.com:

Book Description
This is not a book of predictions. It is a sensational book which gives conclusive evidence of the connection between events and star signs. Taking the answers to millions of questionnaires from universities, publishers and insurance companies, an institute set up by Gunter Sachs analysed the extensive data, in cooperation with the statistics department of the University of Munich, and the results are revealed in this excellent, and highly readable, book.

Marriage, divorce, suicide, academic life, work, illness, death, criminal activities, even driving accidents - all are analysed with user-friendly charts and graphs to enable the reader to spot his own data.

About the Author
Gunter Sachs was born on 14 November 1932. He became a Sportsman, and then gained international fame as a documentary film-maker, photographer and companion of Bridget Bardot. He has always been passionately interested in astrology and its connection with mathematics/statistics.
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He's a Scorpio, and Scorpios are the detectives of the Zodiac.

While there are always exceptions in any study regarding humans, the trends can still be measured and applied, and can be assumed to be correct unless evidence is found in the contrary.

Speculating about open relationships, and whether or not they follow marriage trends is really irrelevant. Doing an actual study would give more credence to the speculation, BUT the trends could very well hold true regardless of marriage or not.

Xodian I think you're just trying to justify the possibility of your relationship working out with this Scorpio.

posted August 13, 2007 12:59 AM            

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I still personally think that that's too dramatic a conclusion. What would the author have to gain from skewing the numbers? Nothing.

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Awww AG, in what way is expressing an opinion on a little skewed matter in anyway dramatic?

"This report is such a load of CRAP! Its all right wing propaganda to justify their own going onslaught of trying to structure their society in their own vision!"

See, that's dramatic Lol!

Though I verily see your point but others need to express it in the mannerism that you did.

posted August 13, 2007 02:46 AM            

It's one thing to make a proclamation like that from a position of authority, having thoroughly engaged in studying the material yourself, but it's another thing altogether to claim something's bias simply because it may be inconvenient.

Zala,

posted August 13, 2007 03:32 AM              

well Sag and Taurus are at the bottom of mine, but do I throw a hissyfit

posted August 13, 2007 07:03 AM            

Now you're scarily starting to sound like Jwhop (just letting you know that .) Yes to say that there is an appearence of personal bias on my account would be an understatement but that shouldn't be a facttor in what I am trying to say. In convience isn't the issue; Limitation is. And as I said, YES I see your point that the report only highlights marriages and marriages alone but it still could a whole lot better if it alleast tried to incorporate other forms of union.

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And as I said, YES I see your point that the report only highlights marriages and marriages alone but it still could a whole lot better if it alleast tried to incorporate other forms of union.

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Two things. One: we don't know if that's actually a true statement or not. It could be better, or it could be largely the same. Two: Marriages are probably easier to locate and study than relationships where marriage has been refused.

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Who said friendship can't endure without marriage?

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posted August 13, 2007 11:32 AM            

Ah but then again we are still going back to same problem aren't we? Convinience are accuracy rarely go hand in hand .

posted August 13, 2007 04:33 PM            

On the subject of the survey itself: I honestly think its a stretch to say that its extremely biased just because it does not include Non-married couples. Because for that one possiblity that may make it biased and skewed, I can find even more concrete proof that it isn't biased. The important one being that for alot of the signs; there traditional matches were no where near the top but what was at th top were matches you'd never dream up.....like two signs that are adjacent to eachother (enter gemini male/ taurus female) or even matches sextile to eachother which are kind of considered weak. And there is a logical explanhation for this that was already mentioned elsewhere in this thread: and that is that the people of those matches often have significant planets in eachother's sunsign that may conjunct the eachother's sun like the taurus female may have a gemini mercury, venus, mars,etc. and vice versa for the gemini male). It happens all the time, its the reason why I get on well with geminis. As mentioned earlier as well in this thread; this survey has only showed why you cannot look at sunsigns as the sole determinor of compatibility. And anyways, what would the author gain by skewing numbers anyways? So I don't believe it to be biased.

Back to the subject of marraige and non marriage: I have my preferences and other people have theirs but the only other thing I will say on this subject is that marraige is not restrictive when you do with the person you choose and love and enjoy being with. Most people do it these days because they want to. Just like life: its what you make of it.

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Now you're scarily starting to sound like Jwhop (just letting you know that .)

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I nearly choked on my rice when I read this. Are you serious??

posted August 13, 2007 04:38 PM              

So it can't be fear of commitment.. it must be fear of failure, and this list must be adding fuel to that fear. So you think oh ok, so my union must work well unmarried

Tell me Xodian, what if the author did do stats on long lasting unmarried unions and your pairing got bottom result...would you assume the author skewed the facts?

I welcome criticism, I really do. But to assume it's all false because you don't like it? I mean really

Hope you don't think I'm being mean - it just comes across that way.

posted August 13, 2007 04:39 PM              

Xodian please read this, it's from the book - I don't even think the guy is an astrologer, so he can't be biased.

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Gunter Sachs was born on 14 November 1932 under the sign of Scorpio and studied mathematics and economics. As an entrepreneur, sportaman, documentary film-maker and photographer, he has achieved international recognition. Curiosity and enthusiasm for research led him to undertake this statistical and mathematical investigation into astrology.

The author will donate his share of the book’s proceeds to the Mirja-Sachs-Foundation Munich. The charity will use the full funds, without any cost deduction, for the support of needy children all over the world

“[Sachs] investigated the question of whether the stars rule human behaviour using unambiguous and highly scientific statistical data. His conclusion? Astrology does exist. Sometimes his findings tally precisely with traditional astrology; sometimes they disagree, showing new, unexpected correlations. What is certain is that his research points the way to a new astrology - one based on facts and statistics, not guesswork and superstition.”
- Daily Mail

“This is one of the key astrology books published in the last few years…The tables have been presented in a way that allows a concise approach, particularly with its “sun sign at a glance” section and its significance has important implications for those scientists that disregard astrology…This is probably the most important work since that of the Gauquelins in the sixties…It deservedly became a bestseller”
- Mercury Magazine of the British Astrological and Psychic Society

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