posted September 09, 2007 08:02 PM            

Interesting idea, but have to admit that my thoughts on the the sun/moon midpoint are somewhat blurred. Probably this point has started slipping from my radar more and more when it didn’t really show up in my relationships or that of friends! There I’ve definitely noticed the nodes figuring far more strongly than the sun/moon midpoint. But that might say more about who I seek out as friends (than one point being more important than the other) ....maybe a ‘like attracts like’-dynamic with all of us having a similar soft spot which happens to be idealistic/‘higher’/spiritual thoughts/pursuits. Other people might just have a different sensitive point which happens to be the sun/moon midpoint in their case... Equally significant points as you say, just playing out in different ways with different people.

One thing I certainly noticed (at least within the small ‘focus group’ of my friends and I), the point which feels more sensitive, be it the sun/moon midpoint or the north node, would be highly significant anyway because it’s mostly linked to one of the angles etc. Example: my north node in saggitarius is always very important in synastry. Most people that are close to me have either their moon, mars or ascendant in saggitarius (or in gemini conjunct my south node). However, my sagg. North node is conjunct my mars and neptune. And Jupiter the ruler of all three is the strongest planet in my chart and in my 10th house exactly conjunct my MC. My little sun/moon midpoint in scorpio isn’t linked to anything major in my chart, so no surprise, I react more strongly if my nodes are triggered in synastry. Another friend of mine has a scorpio north node, with the ruler Pluto being the strongest planet in her chart which also happens to be conjunct her MC. Again, her sun/moon midpoint isn’t really connected to any of the angles. When she left her fiancé (boyfriend of 9 years) for another man a few years ago, I was scratching my head when I had a look at the synastry chart. Hardly any aspects between their charts, no sun/moon midpoint action, neutral house overlay, no textbook attraction factors, nothing really to explain the incredible fated feeling she had with this new man...but her north node was conjunct his sun and ascendant.

posted September 10, 2007 12:16 AM              

My sense is that the sun/moon midpoint is not as spiritually significant as the north node but is important in a partnership kind of way. It is most often found in marriages - I have checked several dozen and is one of the most consistent astrological facts I have come across. North node is more common in important friends, mentors, and some lifelong relationships but is not as partner-y. I dont think north node relationships are equal. In my experience there is a bit of a teacher/student thing going on. It is powerful and doesnt have to be hierarchical. I am also not totally sure that the north node needs to be emphasized at the expense of the south node. A balance in the polarity is probably a better way of doing things and possibly why north node relationships dont tend to last. That might be why I have not seen them occur very often in marriages. They offer a certain intensity but it may be temporary (even if it lasts several years) and when the north node point is overemphasized in the relationship - it may be destructive and come to an end. The sun/moon midpoint may be longer term and denote more of a team/partner feel, even if its less meaningful in terms of polarities and spiritual emphases.

posted September 10, 2007 11:55 AM              

I have Pluto in a conjunction with my MC (4°); it`s not exact, but still in effect, I think.
HOwever, I have always been puzzled about that, too, especially since Pluto is my most elevated planet and making several aspects to the 1st house like square to Venus and sextile to Mars, Node, Neptune and ASC.
I`m still not sure what it means.

I`m a teacher and I guess, that means I am confronted with authorities all the time, as well as being one myself, if I want it or not.
I seem to give the impression towards other people, that I`m very much in control of any given situation, that I`m fair, but strict, even powerful.
I`ve never seen myself in that light, though. But there must be a reason I chose that profession.
However, some astrology-schools say the 10th house might have something to do with the mother, and my mother is a Super-Scorpio, and I always perceived her as very controlled, but boiling inside, brooding, melancholic, sometimes irrational and unable to detach from her emotions, powerful, with very high demands on herself and her environment, but at the same time absolutely reliable. She would have killed for her children! And she would have let herself be killed for our sake!
And intrusive, as a youth I sometimes thought she wanted to intrude into my mind, so she would know EVERYTHING about me. Heck, I sometimes have that feeling even now. lol

Oh and one word on Nodes and Sun-Moon-mp. I know someone who has his Sun-Moon-mp exactly conjunct my Node and my Sun-Moon-mp is exactly conjunct his Sun. I wonder what that means.

posted September 10, 2007 01:57 PM            

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The north node geographically is where the moons orbit intersects the earths orbit of the sun. Its a geographical sun/moon midpoint. The other sun/moon midpoint is the calculated midpoint between the sun and moon in the chart.

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Maybe the nodes are more spiritual/psychological and the sun/moon midpoint is the more mundane/manifested part of the same thing.

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Couldn't agree more.. Personally, I see the nodes as where we are heading to. Our life's spiritual path, and also our lessons to learn (for example, I have Taurus NN, and it means learning how to enjoy the simple things of life and let go all the obsessions, fears and intensity). So if other people touches our NN, they might be able to teach/remind us of growing up and going on, while if it's the SN that is touched, then we sense a familiarity towards them (but not necessarily holding us back thought).
About the Sun/Moon midpoint, it seems to me that it is where there's the balance of both planets' energies, where they meet up. So it's more "physical", and mundane/manifested as you said. ^_^

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North node is more common in important friends, mentors, and some lifelong relationships but is not as partner-y. I dont think north node relationships are equal. In my experience there is a bit of a teacher/student thing going on. It is powerful and doesnt have to be hierarchical.

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Also agree.. people that touches our NN seems to have something to teach/remind us, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we would be romantically involved. But the Sun/Moon midpoint, that carries both Sun and Moon's energy, seems to be more romantic relationship oriented.

posted September 10, 2007 06:43 PM            

My friend’s pluto is in libra at 8°34, her libra mc at 8°30, so pretty exact to say the least! We’ve been friends since university for 12 years now. I think what most people perceive and focus on at first is her being this beautiful young woman (neptune conjunct ac) who is sweet and gentle, and who couldn’t hurt a soul. Very sociable, but at the same time (in certain situations) a bit shy (virgo sun). Actually I think people have underestimated her in the past because of that ‘very pretty & very friendly’ first impression. Only when people get to know her a bit better, they are hit by her vast knowledge and intellectual sharpness (mars in gemini). She’s also exceedingly impatient and tends to cut through nonsense in a split second. She may appear like a pretty doll at first sight, but people notice then rather quickly that she is anything but an airhead!

Reg. her Pluto on her MC - just a few impressions....

First, I think in the past she mostly lived her Pluto through the men in her life, disowning it by being with EXTREMELY successful, powerful men. And they always had this mentoring role for her. I actually couldn’t stand being around her and her boyfriends because I got the impression she seemed to uphold that image of the sweet girl with them, suppressing her aggressive intellect and therefore part of her personality.

She hasnt had MAJOR clashes with authorities, but has always had problems with the big bosses at her previous jobs. Little power struggles or them blocking her career progress. Interesting, considering that she was only an entry-level policy adviser at these jobs, so why would the big boss have an issue/feel threatened by one of his many policy officers? And given that she was such an innocent looking woman, even more of a mystery… Who knows, if she had been a man, maybe these minor struggles had in fact translated into major power clashes!

She only started really living her Pluto about 2 years ago by going for the ‘power’ career she had dreamed of, attempting the entry exam for the diplomatic service which she had shied away from previously and got in. So far no boss struggles. No idea how you experience Pluto on your mc, but maybe with this position it might be absolutely crucial to go for the top-job one really wants and not suppress that side of the personality, otherwise it might indeed resurface in the form of power struggles, people blocking one’s progress just as she had experienced it.

If there’s maybe one negative I noticed with her planet.position - at least before she got the career she really wanted: she seemed strangely secretive about her career steps/goals even with close friends. For instance I learned only by accident that she had been very active in politics working for one of our country’s parties. Also none of her close friends had any idea how serious she was about applying to the entrance exam. We are the same nationality and I was already working in the exact same job she was applying for and still she played down her interest. As a friend it would have seemed so natural to me, to discuss it with her had I been in the same situation. But with her it almost seemed as if friendship ended where career matters started (don’t really know how to express this in English).In fact, when I got in about a year earlier, all of my friends were ecstatic for me, but she reacted almost like a competitor and withdrew completely for a while. At the time I of course had no idea that she was interested in the same career path and that it was just a bit of jealousy. So the only time we had major problems in our friendship was reg. career matters!

posted September 10, 2007 09:21 PM            

That's really interesting. I've started to wonder this very same thing when it comes to relationships with the opposite sex. The NN relationships I've had have been so intense that they make my hair fall out when they end. Honestly, I'm practically bald right now.

The NN friendships, however, are intense as well but in my opinion have a longer shelf life. I almost wonder if the NN thing is to pull you forward so you can evolve and when you've completed it then that's it, it's over.