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izodesmozina unregistered
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posted September 21, 2007 04:19 AM
IQ, it is so nice to hear from you again! Welcome back!IP: Logged |
EighthMoon Knowflake Posts: 115 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2007 06:01 AM
Welcome back, IQ! Hope that you're enjoying the time with your son and drinking lots of caffeine. He's adorable! Everyone missed you terribly! 8th IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 512 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2007 06:29 AM
hi Iqunk! I know younger men leave older women but hey , even same age men do the same thing. so far i ve seen the exact proportion of break ups no matter the age of the involveds.here in america break ups rule, no matter the age, and now women manage 2 look really younger for many years.so i guess in my case is a one-way soulmate? meaning that i have to suffer? with my luck i had to find the cruel/tough lesson soulmate instead of the loving one... LG says we can break the karma by forgiving the other person in order to break the cycle ,so in the next life you can be with that person in a happy relationship. i dont wanna wait next life tho! lol! if i have a choice.. did u look at the charts i sent you? yes, we have NN and SN oppsite each others. me,NN is taurus 7 deg him NN in scorpio 12 deg. me, asc. leo 20 deg ,him asc aqua 12 deg. the scary thing is the conjunction in my 12th house, my karma 3811 w his mars and saturn.,even if is large- 3 deg from mars and 5 from saturn means i ll have to suffer by his hand? thanks again and btw the baby looks adorable and worth missin alot of sleep!
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Diandra23 unregistered
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posted September 21, 2007 08:08 AM
Alia, i hope in your case it is a loving SM relationship - and not an heartbreaker.I do believe in relationships where big age diferences can occur - if love is there in both ways..why not?IQ, your baby is simply beautiful hope you´ll manage his lack of Libra placements :P IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 512 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2007 02:26 PM
Thanks Diandra... i wish there was a way to find out ..i would save myself alot of pain and time,if i knew...because i would wait knowin is worth to wait or i d let go and move on, starting the healing process if i was sure that theres no hope.so far doesnt look good tho but i dont know what to do.but i know he can t find the same connection he had with me. i just 'know'. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer unregistered
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posted September 21, 2007 02:37 PM
I couldn`t help myself and had to try to analyse the two synastries a bit further, trying to find out the most important aspects.So, I only looked at conjunctions / oppositions with 0° orb and dw`s within 3° orb. Here are my results: Synastry 1: 0°-conjunctions/ oppositions: His Sun conjunct her Isis his Sun conjunct her Osiris her Mars conjunct his Neptune her Saturn conjunct his SN his Saturn conjunct her Karma her Neptune conjunct his ASC his Neptune conjunct her ASC her Pluto conjunct his MC his Pluto conjunct her MC her NN conjunct his ASC her Amor conjunct his Juno his Amor conjunct her Psyche his Kaali conjunct her Isis his Kaali conjunct her Osiris her Venus opposite his Valentine the DW`s:
her Neptune conjunct his ASc (0) his Neptune conjunct her ASC (0) her pluto sextile his ASC (0) his Pluto sextile her ASC (2) her NN sextile his Siva (1) his NN sextile her Siva (1) her Chiron trine hsi NN (2) his Chiron square her NN (3) her Pluto conjunct his MC (0) his Pluto conjunct her MC (0) her Neptune trine his IC (1) his Neptune trine her IC (1) her Rudra trine his Sun (0) his Rudra sextile her Sun (0) her Venus conjunct his Kaali (2) his Venus opposite her Kaali (0) her Parvati sextile his Rudra (2) his Parvati trine her Rudra (0) his Vertex conjunct her Eros (3) her Vertex trine his Eros (1) his PoF trine her PoF 81) his Vertex conjunct her Vertex (2) his Eros trine her Eros (0) Synastry No 2: exact conjunctions / oppositions: her Venus conjunct his Mars her Mars conjunct his SN her Neptune conjunct his ASC her PoF conjunct his Siva his PoF conjunct her Siva her Kaali conjunct his Psyche her Saturn opposite his Kaali his Parvati opposite her Chiron The Double whammies:
her Sun trine his Amor (3) his Amor conjunct her Sun (3) her Mercury sextile his Karma (1) his Mercury opposite her Karma (2) her Saturn opposite his Kaali (0) his Saturn square her Kaali (2) her Neptune sextile his Juno (2) his Neptune trine her Juno (3) her Neptune square his Eros 82) his Neptune trine her Eros (0) her Pluto trine his Juno (2) his Pluto opposite her Juno (1) her NN conjunct his ASC (1) his NN conjunct her DSC (2) her NN square his IC (2) his NN sextile her IC (0) her Chiron trine his Vertex (0) his Chiron trine her VErtex (3) her PoF conjunct his Siva (0) his PoF conjunct her Siva (0.00) her Karma conjunct his Psyche 82) his Karma conjunct her Psyche (2) her Parvati opposite his Karma 82) his Parvati trine her Karma (3) his Valentine sextile her Valentine (1) and there is also a wide NN-NN-opposition (5° - but that doesn`t count I guess). Hmm, actually I am a bit surprised, how many exact aspects and dw`s I found. And some of them are even between the main bodies.
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natasha666 unregistered
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posted September 22, 2007 05:11 AM
Hello to all,I have Pholus in Capricorn, 4th house in trine with Venus in Taurus, 8th house. It looks good, but I have no idea what that means. Where can I find explanation? Thank you, Natasha
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GeminiLover75 unregistered
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posted September 22, 2007 05:33 AM
I have a little question... and I can't find this by googling it. :-| I just found that I have Valentine conjunct my ascendant (in 12th) - how do I interpret this? IP: Logged |
Taurus80 Newflake Posts: 10 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 22, 2007 11:05 AM
we sure missed you! IP: Logged |
darkdreamer unregistered
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posted September 24, 2007 10:17 AM
I`ve been working more closely on the 1st synastry chart, after I noticed that astro.com uses very wide orbs; they call an aspect of 2°45 still a 2° orb, but if I understand it right, the aspect has to be from 1°00 - 2°00 to be called a 2° orb, or am I wrong?However, I delved into that first synastry a bit more deeply. There are too many aspects to list them all, so I thought about using some different categories, like main aspects (exact aspects between main bodies, closest aspects from 0°00 - 0°10 and all conjunctions under 3° orb). 1. main aspects: her Venus opposite his Valentine her Mars sextile his Pluto her Saturn conjunct his SN his Saturn conjunct her Karma her Pluto sextile his ASC her NN conjunct his ASC 2. closest aspects (0°00 - 0°10) his Karma trine her Chiron (0°01) his Karma trine her Cupid (0°01) her Pluto trine his Siva (0°03) her Amor conjunct his Juno (0°04) her Sun sextile his Rudra (0°05) his IC square her Isis (0°05) her Kaali sextile his Chiron (0°05) her Saturn conjunct his SN (0°06) his NN sextile her Juno (0°07) 3. Double Whammies her Sun sextile his Rudra his Sun trine her Rudra her Venus conjunct his Kaali his Venus opposite her Kaali her Neptune conjunct his ASC his Neptune conjunct her ASC her Neptune trine his IC his Neptune trine her IC her Plut oconjunct his MC his Pluto conjunct her MC her NN sextile his Siva his NN sextile her Siva her ASC conjunct his ASC her IC square his Osiris his IC square her Osiris her Eros trine his Eros her Eros conjunct his Vertex his Eros trine her Vertex her Lust conjunct his Cupid his Lust conjunct her Cupid 4. conjunctions within 3,5° his Sun conjunct her Venus his Sun conjunct her Isis his Sun conjunct her Osiris his Moon conjunct her Uranus her Venus conjunct his Parvati her Venus conjunct his Kaali his Venus conjunct her Neptune his Venus conjunct her NN her Mars conjunct his Neptune her Mars conjunct his Juno his Mars conjunct her VAlentine his Mars conjunct her Amor her Saturn conjunct his SN his Saturn conjunct her Karma his Saturn conjunct her Kaali her NN conjunct his ASC her ASC conjunct his ASC her Neptune conjunct his ASC his Neptune conjunct her ASC her Pluto conjunct his MC his Pluto conjunct her Mc her DC conjunct his PoM his DC conjunct her Kaali her Amor conjunct his Juno his Amor conjunct her Psyche her Juno conjunct his Eros her Lust conjunct his Neptune her Lust conjunct his ASC her Lust conjunct his Cupid his Cupid conjunct her Mars his Cupid conjunct her Neptune his cupid conjunct her NN his Cupid conjunct her ASC
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Iqhunk unregistered
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posted September 24, 2007 12:21 PM
Hi DD, Both the synastries are so powerfully intricate. However, Synastry 1 wins. It has 2 double whammies with the ascendant which is the fastest moving part of the chart. The DWs are to Neptune and Pluto which are the highest evolutionary planets discovered so far. Plus there is a very strong tie up of Saturn-Karma and Sun-Isis/Osiris, indicating a very high chance of a twin soul relationship to go to higher dimensions.The second synastry is of sure shot soul mates who will grow very well in this relationship (North Node and Asc has a double whammy, plus a good Pluto-Juno tie up.) Good amount of love and spiritual romance due to the Amor DW and Neptune DW. There is no exact Ascendant tie ups and this indicates that the couple cannot be twin souls.
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Iqhunk unregistered
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posted September 24, 2007 12:23 PM
Hi Diandra, If you have prominent and pretty dimples, you can be certain of being a Libra Ascendant.IP: Logged |
Iqhunk unregistered
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posted September 24, 2007 12:38 PM
Hi Jane, Izo, Taurus80 and 8thMoon How was your Venus Retrograde ? This Venus Retrograde had a Saturn Connection, and too many fated events were occuring all round. My school classmate of 14 years met me on August 16th and on August 20th I hear from another friend that he passed away due to a heart attack. Fit and healthy, just 31 years old. No explanation from doctors whatsoever. Do souls just take an exit in these times when given a chance? Many people have had a bereavement. I attended atleast 4 funerals in thse 2 months. A family friend had a bitter divorce in this period. Another divorcee got happily remarried too. Both events occured veru suddenly in end of August/Sept first week. Financially, I was feeling strangulated till Venus went direct, after which the flow I am accustomed to returned albeit as a trickle. Possibly, Venus has to clear the position prior to going retrograde. Several associates went through such tough patches too, even wealthy individuals were behaving a bit like normal middle class. Nationwide in India, two top male film stars were arrested and jailed on old cases. Saturns last punch in Leo? Several Celebrity problems came to light apart from these two. One cuplrit in this period is a Pandora-Anubis conjunction that has been going strong for quite sometime. Problems causing souls to choose death and rebirth as a solution seem to be the theme of this conjunction during the retrograde cycle. Some disasters had a Saturn sq Siva component (Brazil, Thailand, Indonesia). These are my personal observations of this period. We should be better equipped for the next retrograde of Mercury, Mars or Venus. Happy events might occur when Venus goes direct and Saturn establishes itself in Virgo, a sign where it does not do too much damage. Saturn in Leo has been a nightmare. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer unregistered
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posted September 24, 2007 01:56 PM
IQ,thank you for your analysis. As you may have seen in the above posts I have had a closer look at the synastries and some dw`s got "eliminated" due to being more strict with the orbs. In the first synastry the Neptune-conjunct-ascendant- dw is under 1°. Of the Pluto-Ascendant-dw one sextile is very exact, but the other sextile has an orb of 2°37, so it got eleminated, or can I still count it, because it is part of a dw? "The DWs are to Neptune and Pluto which are the highest evolutionary planets discovered so far." So, I guess this means they ARE meaningful when they appear in dw`s, despite them being generational planets, but then again the ASC moves so fast, so someone born later than me or him wouldn`t have had such an exact "hit".
" Plus there is a very strong tie up of Saturn-Karma and Sun-Isis/Osiris, indicating a very high chance of a twin soul relationship to go to higher dimensions." *gulps* Well, I thought about this combination a lot, and finally came to the conclusion there may have been heavy Karma involved in that interaction. I also guess, his Sun exactly conjunct my Osiris, would make him, his self, seem to be like my ideal man.
"There is no exact Ascendant tie ups and this indicates that the couple cannot be twin souls." So twinsouls always have an EXACT ascendant dw?
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Diandra23 unregistered
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posted September 24, 2007 04:02 PM
IQ,Yup, i forgot that classical clue about the dimples. I have got 3 dimples on my cheeks ãnd they are very proeminent when i smile. Ive never liked my smile but somehow the dimples make it much more pleasable - thanks! Now im sure i still continue a Libra AC,even if its just in the 0 degree. IP: Logged |
sameesadiq Newflake Posts: 5 From: Pakistan Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 24, 2007 05:17 PM
Hi IQ, Thanks for your response.You have got a lovely boy. I have always loved children. May be it is Moon in Cancer. I hope that I will have my own kids when I will get married (I will prefer three). "Your North Node opposition is not valid by degree but possibly by sign. Are they in opposing signs?" I am sorry, I typed in the wrong information. It is my Asc opposite her NN under 8 degrees which cannot be DW in my case. Well, they are in opposite signs. We do have MC semisquare Mc exact. "Since you both are clearly soulmates, you must look into the Sabian Symbol meanings of the North Nodes and see if you can reconcile them. Reconciling paradoxes enhances enlightenment. I would like to see the Sabians of your North Nodes." Well NNs are not in opposite signs but I am mentioning their positions anyway. My NN Cancer 29°40'45 r in house 3 Her NN Sagittarius 10°03'41 end of house 5 and they are contraparallel within one degree. In another thread you mentioned that you see something special in me with NN at 29° Cancer trine Asteroid DNA at 29° Scorpio. Natally I have following Planets and Asteroids at 29 and 0 degres. May be they bring out any meanings. True Node Cancer 29°40'45 DNA Scorpio 29°36'54 Angel Scorpio 29°36'54 Talent Aries 29°52'28 Nessus Taurus 29°08'16r Venus Capricorn 00°28'43 Vertex Scorpio 00°22'23 Vesta Libra 00°33'18 What is the meanng of asteroid Pandora in synastry. We have My Pandora Conjunct her Sun exact My Pandora Square her Pluto exact IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 512 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2007 05:32 AM
ok, Iqunk... hopefully the baby angel is napping now so you have time to look at my chart..lol I ve tried to put as many asteroids as I could but some were left out- maybe u cant load too many. anyways i ll add by hand : my Osiris 23 capr my Siva 2 virg (his moon is 2 virg) my Valent 11 taur his Osiris 18 taur his Siva 29 aqua his Vale 10 pisc I checked Tim W. ,he does say some soulmates are hard lessons...but do you have a way to descern from lookin at the syn chart the loving soulmates from the slapping in the face soulmates?the ones who last and work together in the relationship and the ones who are just a taste of Uranus leaving you bleeding inside,,, thank you ... here is the syn chart [I am the aries, he s the taurus ]
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posted September 25, 2007 07:27 AM
Hi ALIA,the expert here is IQ of course,but if i were you, i would do the following,since it was IQ himself who said to do this,when searching important connections: Look for the minimum 3-5 exact aspects between maibodies in sinastry:Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars/Saturn/Pluto/Asc/NN/Karma/Valentine.Then,try to search the other love asteroids. The DRACOS are confirming many SM partnerships,so if you found the above in sinastry, you may want to look the Dracos also. http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php Go here and type in the 1st box:Aries 0º0´;in the 3rd box type in your NNºand sign and in the middle box,type in the planet/asteroids you want to calculate. Do this for your placements and the person you want to compare with.Then,search for tight connections (0-1ºorb)between DRACO-Draco and Draco-Natal. It gives a lot of work,but in the end, you might find if he can really be or not your best SM in this lifetime. IP: Logged |
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posted September 25, 2007 08:23 AM
Hi IQ,I just had some more thoughts about what you said about the synastries, I posted. You said the 2nd synastry cannot be a Twin-soul-connection, because there are no exact ASC-tie-ups. Well, maybe I forgot to post it, but in the 2nd case there are some exact ASC-aspects: her Pluto sextile his ASC (0°58) his Eros square her ASC (0°09) Or do those ASC-aspects need to be conjunctions? So, if I find an exact conjunction or aspect to ASC AND I find three dw`s (within 2°), of which at least one must be a dw with ASC or NN (or Moon?) and maybe some exact aspects to Karma, Isis and Osiris, then this indicates the possibility of very close soulmates?
Oh and I noticed something interesting concerning the first synastry; her Atlantis is exactly conjunct his ASC and his Atlantis is solstice conjunct her ASC (1°). Sorry, if I am being a nuisance with my questions, but I just want to understand, so I can apply those rules to my own analysis. I hope you don´t mind. BTW I also wanted to tell you I think your son looks absolutely adorable. And I wanted to say that I am sorry for the hard time you have had to go through, but this VEnus-retograde really was a tough one for many people, I think. So many upheavals, turmoil, losses, pain, no matter where I looked. It was hard to get through this one. (The fact that transit Pluto was exactly conjunct my Suna nd Mercury didn`t make things easier for me). And I definitely agree, Saturn in Leo has really been a nightmare. DD IP: Logged |
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posted September 25, 2007 12:23 PM
Hi Samee,Sabian of your NN: A Daughter of The American Revolution. Sabian of your friend: Left side of an Archaic Temple has a lamp burning in a container shaped like a human being. This is a difficult one to interpret. The Left Side is the feminine energy side of things. Lamp in a temple refers to enlightening knowledge. Shaped like a human? Knowledge of the Left Brained Energies and Feminine Qualities that cause human enlightenment. I feel that she has a divine purpose to discover enlightening feminine energy qualities in herself and she needs a "revolutionary" minded spouse to help her in this. Since your divine purpose is more towards revolutionary ideals and service, the relationship would work smoothly. This would make sense to me if she is also a Pakistani in Pakistan and does not want to be forced into a marriage by her family with an unevolved cousin or fedual family friend's son. Pandora usually refers to sudden avoidable troubles but troubles that do leave some hope in the end. Your Pandora conjunct her Sun means she may face some troubles because of a relationship with you but since it is square her Pluto, the problems are only if she tries to be over bearing and a control freak.
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posted September 25, 2007 12:43 PM
Hi IQ,I tried summarize your tips about analysing synastries regarding soulmate-potential and I came up with 5 analysis-steps. 1. Exact aspects between Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, NN, ASC, Karma and Valentine (at least 3 aspects required) 2. Double whammies under 2° - do same planets aspects like Karma trine Karma count as double whammies, too? 3. at least one double whammie with ASC or NN 4. at least one exact aspect to ASC 5. aspects within 2° to: North Node Karma Isis Osiris - I am not sure about this one. I thought about this a bit, and I was thinking that it maybe is not enough to have any aspects to the ascendant like sextile or trine, but maybe there should be at least one conjunction. Or let`s put it differently, since conjunctions are so strong aspects, a synastry with double whammies and exact ASC-aspects made of conjunctions would clearly win over an exact ASC-sextile.
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posted September 25, 2007 12:47 PM
Hi Alia, Your relationship with this Taurean cannot lead to wedded bliss. There is no strong Lunar, Ascendant or Sun double whammy connection to each other or to Valentine, NNode or KarmaHowever, you have Ceres conjunction, indicating mutual nurturing. The Jupiter-NNode conjunction means that the man will grow in wisdom from your highest spiritual path. He is supposed to learn from you. Not to hurt you and not to be your perfect boyfriend or husband. Soul Mates can also be in a student teacher relationship or platonic relationship. There is however a strong sexual element due to his Lust conjunct your Eros in the syanstry. Your Lust/Venus conjuncts his Venus and your Aphrodite conjuncts his Eros. Hence he might ["MIGHT", not "WILL"] have considered you only for temporary sexual gratification than true love. Also, you love him more than he can love you because it is your Valentine conjunct his Sun and not otherwise. If the same guy was born 1955 - 1960 or so , he would have celebrated you with diamonds and rubies and what not, loving you dearly till his death. Like in the movie Citizen Kane, the rich tycoon goes gaga over the young girl who loves him for himself and not his wealth. He does not love her but goes over the moon for her, being faithful to her till his death. She goes into alcoholic depression after his death, and remains a widow.
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posted September 25, 2007 01:29 PM
I'm gonna check these out later. I love brain food!
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Alia Knowflake Posts: 512 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2007 01:39 PM
D, thanks for the Draco hint, i ll do it! oh Iq. thanks for the analysis... I thought his sun -my valentine didnt count since the orb is 6 degrees? so those 3 DWs (his sun trine my pluto 1degree my sun opposite his pluto 3deg.his moon sextile my mars 1.5deg. my moon square his mars 1 deg his saturn square my moon 1deg. his moon quincunx my saturn 0.5 deg.) arent really that meaningful? and my NN then if u look at this large orb is conj. to his sun,venus,SN too...? what about his Uranus conj.my SN>?what s the meaning of that? his Valentine conj.to my mercury,means he can only love my mind?-since he ll have to learn from me ... Ceres ceres mutual nurturing...we ll have a baby? or means he ll get me pregnant and then leave since he wont marry me ever? YIKES! since my Karma -22 cancer-is conj. his saturn -27 cancer- in my 12th and his Karma -6 libra-opposes my sun - 6 aries-,double YIKES! I wont end up alcoholic like in that movie..i dont like alcohol :O ! But if he came back to me I d know how to keep him - all those sex asteroids.. Maybe even if he wont marry me- he always said ' i dont do well with the idea of marriage'- he ll stay with me cos he knows i can take care of him incredibly... even the date i met him is kind of sexual 6 9 06 ... lol IP: Logged |
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posted September 25, 2007 02:19 PM
Hi DD, You have summarized well but the thing is to find the neccessary condition first.Rule 1: There has to be atleast one exact conjunction or exact trine of Ascendant of either person to either of: Asc, Sun, Moon, Venus, North Node, Saturn, Pluto, Karma, Valentine and Amor. Exact means 1 degree either way or 2 degree orb to the max. Rule 2: There has to be atleast one exact conjunction or trine of Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma with the other's Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma. If Rule 1 and Rule 2 both are true, then we can proceed to find double whammies or links for several other asteroids and we can include Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, Nessus, Pholus and Chiron in the calculations. Best Asteroids to be used: Karma, Valentine, Eros, Psyche, Amor, Isis, Osiris, Siva, Kaali, Union, Juno and Ceres . The more the trines and sextiles subsequently, the happier the soul mate relationship is likely to be. Simple rule, just give plus 2 for every conjunction and trine, plus 1 for every sextile and minus one for every square or opposition. Include the points for Rule one and two. Give yourself a plus 5 for every double whammy irrespective of square/opposition. Use only 2 degree orbs. If you score over 30 points, there is a tremendous happy soul mate potential. 20-30 points means definitely worth exploring the relationship. Below 20, create the Draconic Chart and see if you can get 7 points from Draconic A to Chart B or Draconic B to Chart A. If not, then it is not likely to be a worthwhile soul mate relationship. Rule 1 and Rule 2is breached, it is a waste of time to continue checking in the hope of a happy soul mate relationship. It would be just a simple relationship that would teach lessons for the next relationship. IP: Logged | |