posted September 25, 2007 02:38 PM              

"I thought his sun -my valentine didnt count since the orb is 6 degrees?"
I don`t think this conjunction would count. It`s far outside the 3,5° orb for conjunctions, but it is sometimes difficult to see with those astro.com charts.

"o those 3 DWs (his sun trine my pluto 1degree
my sun opposite his pluto 3deg.
his moon sextile my mars 1.5deg.
my moon square his mars 1 deg

his saturn square my moon 1deg.
his moon quincunx my saturn 0.5 deg.)
arent really that meaningful?"
I think they are meaningful, especially this Moon-Mars-double whammy; they indicate the attraction that is there or at least has been there.
But I guess, it`s simply not enough "glue" to keep a couple together.
And if I got it right, this glue is provided by strong double whammies between Sun, Moon, ASC, NN, Karma or Valentine plus an exact ASC-aspect.

"hat about his Uranus conj.my SN>?what s the meaning of that?"
Maybe you shared a past life relationship, that had many ups and downs, or interruptions? Or you have been some kind of "comrades" fighting for a noble, maybe revolutionary cause? Or he appeared to be kind of unpredictable in a past life, and left you all of a sudden, which was quite traumatic to you, and now you are repeating the pattern`?
Or he kind of freed you from boundaries of any kind.
Well, I am not really sure, but just think about what URanus signifies, and it could be, that he has been bringing those Uranian qualities into your life.

"is Valentine conj.to my mercury,means he can only love my mind?-since he ll have to learn from me "
And the way you speak, you think, your voice...

Regarding your question if you can tell the slap-in - your-face-soulmates from the loving ones apart, I think you can see certain tendencies.
Like if a synastry has many many squares and opposition, things would get very intense, but also challenging.
But even more improtant than the aspects, seem the planets to me.

If there are many valid and tight connections to Moon, Venus, Valentine, Amor, Karma, Juno then there might be a good chance of finding love with each other.
Or if there are many connections to Mars, Pluto, Eros, Lust, Cupid and Aphrodite, then it might be a highly sexual connection.
Mercury, Uranus, Jupiter, Pallas could indicate a more platonic exchange.
An emphasis on Nessus, Chiron, Pandora, Pholus, Pluto, (Saturn) could prove very difficult; too much Neptune could lead to illusions and then afterwards to deception and disillusion. Challenging URanus-aspects can make a relationship very unstable; challenging Pluto-aspects can bring power and control-issues.

But it always depends on the overall-picture. One challenging Pluto-aspect might just indicate strong passions, but if there are many challenging Pluto-aspects maybe also Nessus-aspects and Chiron-aspects and Mars-aspects without a good counterbalance of the loving aspects, then there could emerge an abusive pattern, I guess.

posted September 25, 2007 04:21 PM            

i was surprised that IQ mentioned my valentine - his sun conj., since is over 3 degrees.

sometimes is funny, but i was looking at a chart of a guy i loved for a long time without him even knowing ,living in different cities for over 8 years and our syn is amazing... my sun is conj. his AC -0 deg,his sun is conj. my AC, 1 deg.
his moon trine my moon -1 deg
his venus is conj. my uranus and my pluto,
his mars conj my moon 1 deg and others but we met again after over 10 years and we started something, but when we got together i didnt feel for him anything anymore...i wonder why ,since those aspects were so powerful and strong...
sometimes it is a mystery.

posted September 25, 2007 04:34 PM              

Recently another Bull reentered my life. I've known him for about 2 years, also met him in person. A few days ago he asked me to check his transits and gave me his birth data. Guess what, he is born 4 days before the other Bull (the one I wrote about until now, which will now be called Bull 1 ). More than that, his Asc is conveniently placed, so that it forms 4 conjunctions/opposition with my planets, while his planets form 2 with my Asc. Oh, and we have 2 dw's involving the Asc: Moon-Asc (trine and opposition), Mars-Asc (conjunction and opposition). With Bull 1 I do not have dw's involving the Ascendants.
So, here is how your rules play in this new triangle:

**Bull 1:
-rule 1: unfulfilled
-rule 2: unfulfilled

**Bull 2:
-rule 1: fulfilled
-rule 2: fulfilled

So, it is obvious that Bull 1 cannot be my soulmate, but Bull 2 has potential. I didn't calculate the score for Bull 2 and doubt that I will. I find the situation hilarious, because, although there always has been *something there* with Bull 2, I am not interested in him! As you might have guessed, I have similar aspects with both of them - the synastry is actually more "alive" with Bull 2 and some aspects are tighter. Oh... remember that karma-Part of Marriage double-whammy I had with Bull 1? I have it with Bull 2, as well [conj+square]!

So how can it be that in my soul I feel that Bull 1 is "the one", whatever that means? That I never been more in love before (I've known Bull 2 long before meeting Bull 1), that he is my greatest teacher in life, that he can see right in my soul and I can see in his? I do not have this kind of connection with Bull 2, though there always has been chemistry and a sense of fascination from my part, but nothing so profound and spiritual as with Bull 1.
Perhaps it means that I am self-distructive and a masochist and prefer to turn my back against my real soulmate to chase an impossible and illusive dream? Plus a high tendency to form romantic triangles
Well, I am past the hurt and the sorrow with this story, I now find it very amusing. Honestly, the Universe sure has a twisted sense of humor! *grabbing popcorn* I can't wait to see what It can come up with next!

Izo

posted September 25, 2007 04:43 PM              

thank you for those two rules and the scoring system. I love scoring systems, so I can compare more objectively.

"Rule 1:
There has to be atleast one exact conjunction or exact trine of Ascendant of either person to either of: Asc, Sun, Moon, Venus, North Node, Saturn, Pluto, Karma, Valentine and Amor."
Is Mars missing here on purpose, because he can be rather "sharpedged"?
And what about DSC, would you consider a conjunction and trine to DSC here? Or would you see this as a sextile or opposition to ASC and therefore exclude it?

"Exact means 1 degree either way or 2 degree orb to the max."
So, that means anything from 0°00 - 2°00 would count?

"Rule 2:
There has to be atleast one exact conjunction or trine of Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma with the other's Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma."
What about NOrth Node and VAlentine? Why did they get excluded?

Regarding the orbs; you once said that a conjunction could have up to 3°30, or do conjunction also have the max.orb of 2°00?

Another question concerning double whammies.
In your analysis of samesadiq you stated that he had enough signs of a soulmaterelationship with the Karma-Karma and Mars-Mars-aspects, I believe.
Do those aspects between same planets or asteroid count as double whammies?

However, I tried your system with the 1st synastry I posted here.
It would be great if you could look over my attempt to apply your system, and tell me if I did it right or what is wrong.
I also listed the conjunctions between 2°00 - 3°30, but didn`t count them.)

Rule 1:

his ASC conjunct my North Node (0°55) +2
(his DC trine my Pluto (0°10)

Rule2:

his Sun conjunct my Venus (1°31) +2
his Saturn trine my Moon (1°36) +2
his Saturn conjunct my Karma (0°31) + 2

So, this synastry fulfills both rules, so I may proceed, right?

his Neptune conjunct my ASC (0°52)
his ASC conjunct my Neptune 0°54
+5

his NN sextile my Siva 1°53
his Siva sextile my NN 1°00
+5

(his Isis sextile my Kaali 0°01
his Kaali conjunct my Isis 0°05)
- do asteroids from different mythological backgrounds count?

his ASC sextile my Pluto 0°11 +1
(his Pluto sextile my ASC 2°37)
- can I allow a little wider orb, if there`s a double whammy and the other aspect is very close?

his Eros trine my Eros 0°57 +2

his Sun square my Pluto (1.36) -1
his Sun sextile my Pholus (0°52 + 1
his Sun conjunct my Isis (0°55) +2
his Sun conjunct my Osiris (0°12) +2
his Moon sextile my Sun (1°59) +1
his Moon conjunct my Union (1°55) +2
his Moon trine my Nessus (0°17) +2
His Mercury trine my Chiron (0°34) +2
his Venus square my Jupiter (1°50) - 1

his Venus opposite my Kaali (0°16) - 1
(his Kaali conjunct my Venus (2°32)
- hmm, I don`t know what to do with this one.
I know the Kaali-Venus-conjunction is over 2°, so can I still count that as a double whammy? Or is it just the opposition?

(his Venus conjunct my Neptune 3°06)
(his Venus conjunct my NN 2°53)

His Mars conjunct my Valentine 1°29 +2
his Jupiter opposite my Saturn 0°13 - 1
his Jupiter sextile my Juno 0°12 +1
HIs SAturn square my Juno 1°28 -1

(his Saturn conjunct my Kaali 2°43)

his Uranus square my Eros 1°40 - 1
his Uranus trine my Psyche 1°22 +2
HIs Neptune conjunct my Mars 0°59 +2
his NEptune square my Pholus 0°37 -1
his Pluto square my Venus 1°43 -1
his Pluto sextile my Mars 0°44 +1
his NN opposite my Saturn 0°06 - 1
his NN sextile my Juno 0°08 +1
his ASC square my Jupiter 1°57 -1

(his ASC conjunct my ASC 2°15)

his Chiron sextile my Kaali 0°05 +1

his Pholus trine my Uranus 0°52 +2

(his Pholus conjunct my Union 2°23)

his Karma trine my Chiron 0°01 +2
his Valentine opposite my Venus 0°21 - 1
his VAlentine trine my Pholus 0°18 +2
his Valentine opposite my Osiris 1°22 - 1

(His Juno conjunct my Mars 3°06)

his Juno conjunct my Amor 0°04 +2
his Psyche conjunct my Amor 1°06 +2
his Psyche trine my Jupiter 0°22 +2
his Osiris opposite my Venus 1°36 - 1
his Siva sextile my Neptune 0°48 +1
his Siva trine my Pluto 0°04 +2
his Kaali square my Pluto 0°27 -1
his Kaali sextile my Pholus 1°52 +1

(his Kaali conjunct my Osiris 0°48)

(his Union conjunct my Jupiter 2°30)

his Union trine my Siva 1°15 +2
his Union square my Kaali 0°55 -1
his Nessus sextile my Chiron 1°39 +1

(There`s also a Cupid-Lust-dw, but since you mentioned neither of these asteroids, I didn`t count it, but it made me grin, because beside this Cupid-Lust-dw his Cupid is exactly conjunct my ASC, while my Lust is exactly conjunct his ASC. *grinning*)

In the end the points tally up to a total of: 47 points

Is that the way you do such an analysis? Or have I "mis-analysed"?

EDIT:
I forgot about Ceres, so here goes:

his Ceres trine my Eros 0°32 +2
my Ceres sextile his Sun 1°59 +1
my Ceres trine his Psyche 1°14 +2
(my Ceres sextile his Kaali 0°59)
my Ceres square his ASC 0°21 -1

total score: 51???
*scratches head* Okay, I know I MUST have done something wrong. Did I still use too wide orbs? Include too many asteroids?

posted September 25, 2007 05:34 PM              

Soulmate or non-soulmate, if this man impacted you so much, he is in your life for a reason. Do some soul-searching, find out what that reason is and learn the lesson. Perhaps when you will, you'll have more answers. And if he isn't your true soulmate, this lesson will be valuable when the one will enter your life. Stay positive!

Best of luck to you!

posted September 25, 2007 07:03 PM              

And get this!! 69 points!!!!

And I was very strict with orbs - not 1 minute over 2 degrees . We've got 5 very tight dw's:
-Sun-Chiron
-Venus-Eros
-Saturn-Kaali
-Uranus-Isis
-Juno-Pholus.

Well... for my mental health's sake, I hope I will develop a fast and intense attraction for this soulmate

Couldn't resist and did the score with Bull No.1, as well... and the result is shocking: 42 points , with NO double-whammies under 2 degrees!

posted September 25, 2007 11:33 PM            

because sex must meet 4 criteria and i didnt know of feel about this way before.
1-mental
2-emotional
3-spiritual
4-physical

And thats why i miss him not one but x4 and is why is so intense.
from now on, if i dont have the whole 4 i wont allow that contact anymore.otherwise, i would just build bad karmic auric bonds. my situation with him taught me the value of carnal union.he didnt taught me that, i just learned thru my feelings i developed for him.

also,reading LG's Star Signs is opening me to a whole new concept of power of thoughts and desire,which i think the universe is trying to teach me. hope,believe,faith and KNOWING
are the keys to your desire and manifestation of it. I m going to apply myself with all the energy of my aries-inner warrior and then the miracle will happen. image,ordain,manifest.
and then you are above any birthchart.
it wont be easy but i ll sure try with all my strenght,intending to the fullest.

posted September 26, 2007 04:22 AM            

I scored my synastry with my man as per your suggestions, & we got a 45. I must admit to being thrilled that it reduces to 9, my favorite number. (Edit: New total--63.)
We're engaged, so no matter what we scored, it's "till death do we part" for us (until we meet up in another lifetime, anyway ). But I am relieved that we pass the 30 point threshold, should help keep things running smoothly.

I have a few questions about your system:
---Since you didn't list Mercury, I didn't include it in my calculations. Was it deliberately left out? (Since it's the ruler of his descendant, I usually look at it in our synastry.)
---Like darkdreamer, I was also wondering if aspects between the same bodies should get the dw-points bump & if oppositions to the asc also count as conjunctions to the descendant.
---Similarly, should oppositions to the NN also be counted as conjunctions to the SN?

While doing this, I noticed that we have exact aspects involving the mythological "soul mates": Isis & Osiris, Jupiter & Juno, Siva & Kaali. We also have an Eros-Psyche trine, but it's 2º+, so I didn't include it. But some of those exact aspects are hard ones. When it's a link between these soul mate asteroids/planets, do you think oppositions & squares are hard aspects? Do you consider it better to have an exact opposition between them, than no connection at all?

posted September 26, 2007 04:37 AM              

Hi DD,
Rule 2 can include NNode and Valentine.
However, Mars eclusion is necessary as Mars is more of sex than love.
And yes, DSC has to be omitted because we are using the Ascendant point.

Regarding orbs for conjunction, you can use 3.30' for conjunctions for analysis but for ths scoring system, we have to be very objective.

Good Aspects between same planets and same asteroids are very much to be treated like a double whammy. This has been my personal experience.

Your application of the system is 100% spot on! 51 points is excellent!
About Cupid and Lust, see, the system is to make sure that you can explore the relationship. Now that you are sure as you have a 30 plus score, you can apply all the other asteroids to assess the other dimensions and potentials in the relationship. Infact, the wider orbs can also be considered to know subtle infleunces after the relationship proceeds.

posted September 26, 2007 08:04 AM              

I looked into the Draconics.

Rule 1: is almost fulfilled but not entirely.
My draconic Moon is opposite his ASC, which is neither a conjunction nor a trine and the orb is 2°19

Rule 2:
my draconic Karma conjuncts his Pluto
my draconic Saturn trines his VAlentine (0°19)
So, rule 2 is fulfilled, and since both rules were fulfilled in the natal synastry, I proceed, even though rule 1 isn`t fulfilled in the Draconic.

I used all aspects, or do I have to limit myself to conjunction and opposition only?

However, here are the double whammies:

my draconic Sun sextile his Saturn
my draconic Saturn sextiles his Sun

my Pluto squares his draconic Moon
my Moon sextiles his draconic Pluto

my Nessus trines his draconic Venus
my Venus trines his draconic Nessus

my draconic Saturn trines his Valentine
my Valentine squares his draconic Saturn
my draconic VAlentine squares his Saturn

my draconic Psyche sextile his Chiron
my Psyche trines his draconic Chiron
my draconic Chiron squares his Psyche

Those were all double whammies I could find within 2° orb, but I also find several repeated aspects:

my Ceres sextiles his draconic Moon
my draconic Ceres trines his Moon

my draconic Mercury trines his Venus
my MErcury sextiles his draconic Venus

my Amor squares his draconic MErcury
my draconic Amor squares his Mercury

my draconic Uranus sextiles his Karma
my Uranus trines his draconic Karma

my Karma opposite his draconic Pluto
my draconic Karma conjuncts his Pluto

my Amor squares his draconic Karma
my draconic Amor squares his Karma

my draconic Amor conjuncts his Eros
my Amor opposite his draconic Eros

my draconic Amor trines his Ceres
my Amor sextiles his draconic Ceres

Now, for the aspects, I`m only listing conjunction, opposition and trine and will add the orb for the exact aspects.

Conjunctions:
my dr Karma conjuncts his Pluto
my Venus conjuncts his dr Uranus (0°18)
my Psyche conjuncts his dr ASC
my dr Amor conjuncts his Eros
my dr Juno conjuncts his Valentine (0°20)
my Moon conjuncts his dr Juno (0°54)
my dr Eros conjuncts his Psyche (0°01)
my dr Psyche conjuncts his Saturn
my dr Kaali conjuncts his Pluto

Oppositions:

my dr Moon opposite his Neptune (0°48)
my dr Venus opposite his Moon
my Karma opposite his dr Pluto
my Amor opposite his dr Eros
my dr Juno opposite his Sun (0°50)
my dr Juno opposite his Kaali
my Mars opposite his dr Eros
my dr Psyche opposite his Venus (0°48)
my dr Isis opposite his Moon (0°28)
my dr Osiris opposite his Moon (0°15)
my dr Chiron opposite his Siva (0°44)
my Sun opposite his dr Chiron (0°04)
my Mercury opposite his dr Chiron (0°58)
my Siva opposite his dr Pholus (0°55)
my Pholus opposite his dr Nessus
my VAlentine opposite his dr Union (0°42)

trines:

my dr Saturn trine his Valentine (0°19)
my Nessus trine his dr Venus
my Venus trine his dr Nessus
my Psyche trine his dr Chiron
my Eros trine his dr Sun (0°12)
my dr Ceres trine his Moon
my dr Mercury trine his Venus
my Kaali trine his dr Mars (0°36)
my dr Jupiter trine his Pholus
my Amor trine his dr Jupiter
my Uranus trine his dr Karma
my dr Uranus trine his Nessus (0°30)
my dr Neptune trine his Mars (0°45)
my dr Amor trine his Ceres
my Venus trine his dr Amor (0°02)
my Osiris trine his dr Amor
my Karma trine his dr Juno (0°12)
my dr Siva trine his Valentine
my dr Chiron trine his ASC (0°36)
my dr Pholus trine his Moon

Well, if I am allowed to use all aspects I come up with a score of 68;
if I can only use conjunctions and oppositions then it looks rather gloomy with a score of +2.
I guess, that is because of all those oppositions in the draconics, and because those beautiful trines get thrown out.

DD

posted September 26, 2007 08:12 AM              

One of my frustrations in the last few months has been that I came very close to a Universal Prediction Theory sort of thing for love, children, business etc using a combination of Progressed Personal Planets, Natal Tropical Transits to Sidereal Chart, Numerology and Asteroids BUT they just never give 100% accuracy. Everything works to 70-80% then fails.

One of the patterns is that Mercury has a lot to do with children and commerce than love. Many first births occur when Progressed Moon conjuncts Mercury of either spouse. I noticed that CERES conjunct 5th cusp or Mercury also points to a birth.

Hence I avoided this for soulmate study.

I wrote a paragraph in the previous post about expereince being more important and I am happy that you got engaged first and are now checking the charts. This will prove to be a huge blessing. Should your man accept astrology, life and then afterlife/astral life etc will be one huge honeymoon for you two.

Oppositions to NorthNode are a -1 because South Node drags you down.

Same object aspect is a DW, score it as 5.

Now this part is very important:
<<While doing this, I noticed that we have exact aspects involving the mythological "soul mates": Isis & Osiris, Jupiter & Juno, Siva & Kaali. We also have an Eros-Psyche trine, but it's 2º+, so I didn't include it. But some of those exact aspects are hard ones. When it's a link between these soul mate asteroids/planets, do you think oppositions & squares are hard aspects? Do you consider it better to have an exact opposition between them, than no connection at all? >>

You have discovered a loving soul mate and hence the Cosmos opens up its design pattern to you.

A famous hindi song goes:

"mere haath mein tera haath ho
saari jannatein mere saath ho,
tu jo paas ho, phir kya yeh jahaan
tere pyar mein ho jaaun fanaa"

meaning:

"Your hand is tied with mine,
All heavens are with me,
When you are near who needs the world,
In your love I want to merge"

What are squares and oppositions for loving soulmates? In such cases, every aspect is a divine blessing of design, showing where you can go right in this lifeline.

But those who have not experienced the feeling of love in a relationship, for them a square is a minus one only.

A computer program can find many boys who will have 100 plus score with many girls of this site. Problem is those guys may be 80 year old pervs from Brazil or 16 year old gadget geeks from Asia whose only goal in life is to win a multiplayer strategy game on the net. The loving soulmate is met by chance on a flight or introduced by a common friend in a next-city party or when your car has a flat tire or you send an email to the wrong person. Especially after one is feeling low and is coming out of a crisis.

Only after such a chance meeting should the synastry be matched up and further explored.

The soul mate is the man whose shoulders turn as strong as steel only for you to cry or lean on. All other men will only cause heart-burn.
Seek and ye shall find,
Experience and the Universe will be kind.

posted September 26, 2007 08:35 AM              

it`s so good and inspiring to have you back posting here.

"However, Mars eclusion is necessary as Mars is more of sex than love."
I`d definitely agree.

"And yes, DSC has to be omitted because we are using the Ascendant point."
Hmm, I am not totally sure I agree on this one. why is this so?

"Regarding orbs for conjunction, you can use 3.30' for conjunctions for analysis but for ths scoring system, we have to be very objective."
But for analysis I can also include dw`s with wider orb, as long as the 3,5° are not exceeded?

"One more advice: Get out there and bravely expereince the relationship."
You are absolutely right with this one. Experience is what matters.

But I actually used this synastry as an example, because I wanted to learn with it, an analytical exercise you could call it.
I don`t know the man and I never will, and no matter, how phenonemal our score may be, he can never be my soulmate, because we haven`t met and I am me and he is Jude Law. lol
I hope I satisfied Izo`s curiosity now.
Well, as I said I used it as an example, (well, mostly, of course there is a reason I picked his chart and not someone elses) to learn, and then I got carried away during the analysis.

But believe me, I know that this has nothing to do with the "real world" or my "real life".

"BUT they just never give 100% accuracy. Everything works to 70-80% then fails."
Yes, that is quite frustrating. The most convincing theory I have come across over the last months, beside yours, is the one of progressed synastry by Paul WEstran. In my little research I have never seen it fail (but of course it will, because no theory gives ever 100%).

"ne of the patterns is that Mercury has a lot to do with children and commerce than love."
I agree, when you see Mercury as planet alone. But I place hight importance on rulerships and like Jane I think the asc-ruler and dsc-ruler deserves special attention, even if it is Mercury, as in our cases. But of course using houserulers means opening a whole can of worms, because the discussion about the one true housesystems would start a new.

posted September 26, 2007 08:52 AM              

congratulations on your engadjement you know what? im now very curious about one thing: your wedding dress hihihi ( i bet if you want to have one, it will be very much original and not a padronized one

DD,
you simply are very much amazing on analising charts. You are always very patient on those - when i do mine, i simply start to get my head crazy, so i just do one for a day or them,start to get one aspect of a thread, one other of another thread,so it gets confusing for me hihihihi

Izo,
As IQ said it, if you sence that its worth trying, then go and experience what your body and heart wants with the Bull2.

IQ,
Your words touch every one of our hearts - you can be sure of that. I only started to get more closely and inside this of astrology when i came to this Forum and saw about your thread of SM/Twin Souls.

i want to say that i also met my SM by chance and after we two have had awful times ( well most him than me,unfortunatelly)-but the thing is that after met him, i had a huge feeling of searchinf , not for answers ( cause they are in our own hearts) , but search for anything that would somehow indicate my Mind why did we felt so instantaneously and felt familiar,even wothout being in psysical touch.
After i post with you, you comfirmed that we are indeed SM - but i already was suspecting of that.That´s why i wanted so much for you to confirm that.
I believe we can be very happy ( we scored 65) but i also know we are together not for an eternal bliss but to learn and evolve together.And that also means suffering and pain sometimes.
The more i think about it, the more im sure that no matter how many time passes, we will never forget each other
I only knew that in my heart when i EXPERIENCED our love and been experiencing since then.

posted September 26, 2007 02:42 PM            

"Yup, my son is cute (5th House Sun in Taurus and Venus in Cancer) but he is a handful, very demanding, very playful and just hates sleeping."
You can't deter me. I love him.

I'm sorry to hear about your frustrations with your Prediction Theory. 70-80% accuracy is very impressive, though! I think it's enough accuracy, too. Like you said with experience, life is for living, not predicting. The Universe demands to retain some mystery, I think for our own good. It hides its secrets from even IQhunks.

My fiance isn't into astrology, although he doesn't bash it either. Being a Taurus Mercury, he just doesn't see the point. I tell him about nice aspects we have in synastry & what they mean; he says we already know what we have together so what's the point in studying astrology just to find out what we already know. I've always been drawn to learning underlying patterns, though. It captures my interest.

I just want to check that I understand how to score a DW. If one is made up of a conjunction & a sextile, we assign those aspects 5 points each, right? We don't assign 2 points for the conjunction & then another 5 points for it being part of a DW, right?

I calculated our score again, counting same object aspects as 5 points. Now we have a 63--reduces to my beloved 9 again!

It's funny, b/c in the past couple of weeks, different threads have reminded me of those exact "soul mate" aspects we have, but it wasn't until this thread that I looked at them all together & noticed that we had all of them. I noticed a pattern that I'd love your opinion on: in all of those aspects, I'm the owner of the masculine asteroid or planet & he's the owner of the feminine asteroid. Does this have any meaning to you? I used to think that it would be better the other way around, but recently venusdeindia commented that this way is good (she was referring to my siva aspecting his kaali).

We all knew already what a catch you are regarding IQ and hunkiness , but now I learn that you're also poetic...

quote:

---

"Your hand is tied with mine,
All heavens are with me,
When you are near who needs the world,
In your love I want to merge"

---

...and hilarious:
"Problem is those guys may be 80 year old pervs from Brazil or 16 year old gadget geeks from Asia whose only goal in life is to win a multiplayer strategy game on the net."
lmao!

posted September 26, 2007 03:30 PM            

oh and vegas is NOT tacky..I heard Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward married in vegas, and they are still going strong, and such a classy couple

posted September 27, 2007 12:20 PM              

I would like to, but I fear I will never be able to tell you if that synastry between me and Jude Law has any accuracy.

But I just realized something interesting, when I investigated progressed synastry.
I noticed, that my progressed Kaali doesn`t really seem to move, only 4,5° in the last 32 years!
But that probably is because she has been retograde at my birth, and now I realized, that she will turn direct on 8°01 Gemini in the first half of 2009.
She will be only one degree from my DSC and dr Moon then and exactly opposite my natal Atlantis.

And since I have been looking in Jude`s chart over the last days, I naturally became very familiar with his placements and so I couldn`t help but notice that 8° Sagittarius is conjunct his natal ASC and the composite ascendant as well.
Also, when I saw that, I also notice that very interesting Atlantis- pattern between our charts. Our ATlantis positions are exactly solstice opposition each other and conjunct each other`s Vertex. This results in a composite Atlantis on 00°01 Libra, directly opposite the ARies-point.
And this Atlantis-pattern is tied to the natal and composite-ASC as well.
My ATlantis is exactly conjunct his ASC, his ATlantis is exactly solstice conjunct my DSC.

I told you this synastry, as impossible it is, is fascinating, at least to me.
It`s as if he is my "celebrity-mirror" (even though I am not like him at all. lol).
But as an astrologer can you really ignore:

here: Sun in Capricorn, Venus in Sagittarius
there: Sun in Sagittarius, Venus in Capricorn

here: Venus in 1
there: Mars in 1

here: Mars in Scorpio
there: Venus square Pluto

here: Venus in Sagittarius solstice conjunct Jupiter
there: Mars in Sagittarius square Jupiter

here: Venus (widely) conjunct Neptune
there: Mars (widely) conjunct Neptune

The mirroring thing even reaches into the progressed synastry.
The Sun-Venus-conjunction in the synastry is now just about to being accompanied by a mutual progressed Sun-Venus-conjunction.

I know I probably shouldn´t even bother to look into his chart, but I`m too curious and amazed by those interconnections, I can`t keep myself from doing it, despite better knowledge. lol

However, when I managed to detach myself for some moments from his amazing chart, I had a look into Melanie`s and Antonio`s.

Rule1:
his ASC has no exact aspects to her chart.
her ASC is trine to his NN by 1°

- so rule 1 is fulfilled it seems.

Rule 2:
his Sun conjuncts her Sun
his Moon trine her Saturn
his Moon conjunct her Karma
his Venus conjunct her Mars
his Venus conjunct her Pluto
his Karma trine her Valentine

I think we can get green with envy now.
And all those girls, who pine away for Antonio, brace yourself: You don`t stand a chance, not in a million years. lol

They seem to have it all, the love, the romance, the flames, the caring, the constancy, the friendship. *deep sigh* How beautiful!

Johnny Cash, June Carter:

Rule1:

they don`t pass rule 1, since there are no exact aspects from her planets to his asc.
But her asc is unknown, so maybe his planets make exact aspects with her asc.

rule 2:

his Mars trine her Sun (I think we are allowed to include Mars in rule 2?)
his Karma conjunct her Valentine

So, this is not as convincing as I would have expected. But this Karma-Valentine-conjunction sais it all,d oesn`t it?

Johnny Depp, Vanessa Paradis (because I love this couple):

rule 1:

her ASC trine his NN (seems to happen often; Antonio and Melanie shared this one, too)

rule 2:

no exact aspects between main bodies,
even though there is an exact Sun-Amor-trine

but they share with over 2°:

his Sun conjunct her Saturn (2°01)
his Moon conjunct her NN (almost 3°)

So maybe they are only ALMOST soulmates?

DD