posted September 13, 2007 02:04 PM            

whats the meaning of this? it s bad news? did i hurt him in a past life or did he hurt me? does it mean there s no future relationshipwise?

ps : my valentine 447 is conjunct to his sun,his venus,his jupiter and his SN.

his valentine conjunct to my Part of fortune and my mercury in my 7th house

do u know what all this might mean?thanks for yr help

posted September 14, 2007 02:14 AM              

Valentine
amor
chiron
nessus
pholus
lust
karma
isis
osiris
siva
kaali

links for asteroid synastry

Asteroids Valentine and Amor = http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009111.html

Isis and Osiris = http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014145.html

Asteroid Karma = http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009192.html

Asteroid Groups = http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014127.html

posted September 14, 2007 02:31 PM            

so u think having karma in my 12th conj.to his mars and saturn is not bad?

i found out my Union is right on the cusp of my 7th. what is the meaning of this asteroid?

posted September 15, 2007 02:36 AM              

JOHHNY CASH - JUNE CARTER ---- DRACO DRAMA - Lindaland http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014290.html

Antonio Banderas and Melanie Griffith - Twin Souls? - Lindaland http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014046.html

posted September 15, 2007 05:08 PM            

Iqunk is really the man and i so wish he d start to post again in the forum...he said about soulmates: you have to have at least 3 PRECISE double whammies and in addition one precise Ascendant to lovey dovey asteroid or personal planet aspect.
what does he mean by PRECISE?must be strictly at zero or one degree orb?

i do look for the real deal here...lol!....i have to admit that the syn of melany griffith and antonio banderas is so striking and amazing.
i am jealous!!!

i dont know how to calculate all those not common aspects you name like quindecile,parallels etc so i considered the classic harmonics, conj, oppos, trine,sextile and square...although i think IQhunk would basically look at the tight conjunctions,wouldnt he..?

all i could find under 3 degrees is here...what do you think?

my venus conjunct his venus
my jupiter conjunct his saturn
my jupiter conjunct his mars
my venus conjunct his jupiter
my MC conjuct his SN
my MC conjunct his jupiter
my NN conjunct his venus
my NN conjunct his jupiter
my IC conjunct his NN
my mars conjunct his uranus - 3 degrees and few seconds-
my moon square his saturn
my moon square his mars
my AC square his sun
my MC/IC square his AC/DC
my mars sextile his moon
my saturn sextile his mercury
my mercury sextile his venus
my mercury sextile his jupiter
my pluto trine his sun
my chiron trine his saturn
my chiron trine his mars
my neptune trine his saturn
my neptune trine his mars
my chiron trine his mars
my chiron trine his saturn
my sun opposite his pluto - 3 degrees and few seconds-
my moon opposite his chiron
my NN opposite his uranus
my MC opposite his NN

PS: is the axis MC/IC less important than the axis AC?DC?

posted September 16, 2007 06:47 AM              

I also wished IQ would start posting again.
But I also think that we can use our own brain, too.
And Venus is very insightful about asteroids herself.

quote:

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he said about soulmates: you have to have at least 3 PRECISE double whammies and in addition one precise Ascendant to lovey dovey asteroid or personal planet aspect.
what does he mean by PRECISE?must be strictly at zero or one degree orb?

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quote:

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have to admit that the syn of melany griffith and antonio banderas is so striking and amazing.
i am jealous!!!

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quote:

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Qhunk would basically look at the tight conjunctions,wouldnt he..?

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my venus conjunct his venus:
very nice, love styles are very similiar

my jupiter conjunct his saturn
it`s rather generational, except if Jupiter or Saturn rules the ASC or DSC or IC or MC in either chart, then it becomes very important.

my jupiter conjunct his mars
that sounds very energetic, enthusiastic and supportive.

my venus conjunct his jupiter
Ah I like that one! Good feelings all around. I especially like the fact that his Jupiter is conjunct your Venus, and your Jupiter conjuncts his Mars. So he likes and appreciates the woman you are and you appreciate and like the man he is. I guess, that is a good thing for a healthy sexual life, too. Maybe not as passionate and raw as a Venus-Pluto or Venus-Mars-aspect, but energetic, full of warmth and probably laughter, too (depending on the signs involved).

my MC conjuct his SN
So his NN is conjunct your IC. Maybe it is part of his destiny to have a family with you, or to see oyu as his home, or at least you can make him realize what he needs deep inside.

my MC conjunct his jupiter
very supportive to your goals.

my NN conjunct his venus
Ah, another great one! He is bound to love you, I guess. Or it is your destiny to be loved by him. He can teach you a lot about love.

my mars conjunct his uranus - 3 degrees and few seconds-
Exciting but probably also unpredictable at times.

quote:

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PS: is the axis MC/IC less important than the axis AC?DC?

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DD

posted September 16, 2007 11:53 AM              

I just had a short look at JOhnny Cash`s and June Carter`s synastry, only including the main planets and angles, and they don`t have all that many aspects in a close 3° orb.

Those are the ones I found:

his Venus square her Moon
his Venus square her Pluto
his Mars trine her Sun
his Mars sextile her Neptune
his Jupiter sextile her Mercury
his Jupiter square her Venus
his Uranus square her Moon
his Pluto opposite her Moon
his Pluto sextile her Node
his Node square her Saturn
his MC trine her Mars
his MC conjunct her Saturn
his MC trine her Neptune
his Vertex square her Saturn

And the aspects to her moon are not sure, because her birthtime is unknown.

But 14 aspects seem to be a very small number of synastric aspects for a soulmate-couple. What do you think this means?
Also, what does it mean that his Sun and Moon have no really close aspects to her planets?

Does it mean we have to apply the asteroids to understand the real interaction between two persons?
Does that mean, a comparision of the natal main players alone doesn`t suffice?

I am rather confused here.

posted September 16, 2007 02:31 PM            

quote:

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And Venus is very insightful about asteroids herself

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what do you mean by that?

i think i only have one asteroid ,Valentine,conjunct to his jupiter at 1 degree. and my Karma is conjunct to his saturn but is 5 degrees so i guess doesnt count as conjunction... but,his Karma,is exactly opposite to my sun.
is it bad?

...yeah,no kidding,lqunk is the twin souls analyser indeed...if there s no venus pluto DW everything else mostly rules it out...HE IS SO STRICT!!! LOL...but hey i would be happy even with a soulmate position..lol..
actually seems like that for twin souls is almost impossible to be together even if they do meet...

I have 3 tight DWs with him, that totals 6 aspects, 5 out of 6 are within one degree only one is 3 degrees

(his sun trine my pluto 1degree
my sun opposite his pluto 3deg.

his moon sextile my mars 1.5deg.
my moon square his mars 1 deg

his saturn square my moon 1deg.
his moon quincunx my saturn 0.5 deg.)

I m not sure if saturn is the ruler of my 7th since im leo rising,so my 7th is in aqarius,but some books say my ruler of the 7th is uranus,other books say is saturn.

if larger orbs were allowed we have a DW with the nodes too...my nn conj.his sn(5 deg
.orb) and his nn conj to my sn

and my AC leo is opposite his AC aquarius
but large -7 deg. so is his DC leo is opp. my DC.

would u still consider them important aspects even with this large of an orb?

by the way, i dont think that Antonio B. is attractive,either! to me,the most beautiful men on earth are Chris Cornell from Soundgarden,Kurt Cobain from Nirvana and Layne Staley from Alice in Chains-the last 2 no more on earth unfortunately..

quote:

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my venus conjunct his jupiter
Ah I like that one! Good feelings all around. I especially like the fact that his Jupiter is conjunct your Venus, and your Jupiter conjuncts his Mars. So he likes and appreciates the woman you are and you appreciate and like the man he is. I guess, that is a good thing for a healthy sexual life, too. Maybe not as passionate and raw as a Venus-Pluto or Venus-Mars-aspect, but energetic, full of warmth and probably laughter, too (depending on the signs involved).

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yes my IC is conj. his NN .one time he said he wanted to move in with me,but i guess he freaked out since he doesnt even talk to me anymore,since july,said he needs some time and talk soon but he s still not talking. :'(

quote:

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my NN conjunct his venus
Ah, another great one! He is bound to love you, I guess. Or it is your destiny to be loved by him. He can teach you a lot about love

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posted September 16, 2007 06:15 PM            

Sun
Moon
Venus
Mars
Saturn
Pluto
Ascendent
North Node
Asteroid Valentine
Asteroid Karma

Look for atleast 3 double whammies (again within 1 degree). If all this criteria is not met there is no use looking further in the synastry chart.

We have following DWs in our synastry in addition to some other exact aspects between points mentioned above.

Major aspects
Mars trine Mars
Valentine trine Valentine
Karma Sextile Karma

Minor aspects
Ascendent Novile Ascendent

All aspects are within one degree orb.
Though I think IQ wouldn't use minor aspects at this stage of chart analysis.
I hope this will help.

posted September 17, 2007 03:55 AM            

although he s so tight about orbs it kills me sometimes

i think i have a few of those points you say... his Karma opp.my sun -0 deg,
my venus conj. his venus - 1 deg,
his sun trine my pluto - 1 deg,
his venus conj.my NN - 0.50 deg,
his saturn square my moon - 1 deg,
his mars square my moon - 1 deg,

and other stuff but w larger orbs,max 5 deg.

posted September 17, 2007 09:08 AM              

Iqw told me that he read a hermetic literature that changed his opinion that asteroids have a name frequency effect. i did not know what nessus, chiron meant ,m y parents have a valentine conjunct valentine, juno conjunct juno, they ddi not know what these words denote until i told them recently. Iq said that he read that our solar system , planets asteroids are controlled by celestial beings in charge of our evolution. asteroid like valentine, juno, karma, siva, rudra , kaali , isis, osiris, nessus, chiron must be these beings who show their effects irrespective of culture and language. he said that valentine is more powerful than venus.

before we ascribe synastry to twin souls first understand what they mean. th siva = divine father and kaali/parvati = divine mother aspects are present in males and females respectively. our indian yogis spend years of penence to awaken these divine aspects within themselves. only twin souls are the two pieces of the puzzle where them coming together is worth years of meditation on a mountain. now that we know this a single aspect cannot be a one size fits all to this phenomenon. our birth chart represents our mind pattern at birthtime. we decide the position of our palnets at birth.not the other way round.when ur mind evolves so does ur birth chart.

and yes DD it is surprising to see that Cash- Carter had so few conventional aspects. but the draco and the asteroids show the truth. i deem draco more important than natal. it is based on the True node. look at the karma involved

""

June's Isis conjuncts Johhny's Draco Ascendent
Johhny's Draco venus conjuncts June's Natal Vertex.*
Johhny's Draco Chiron conjuncts June's Natal Venus and Node
( healing his alcoholism with her love was her spiritual path ? )
June's Draco Chiron conjuncys Johhny's Natal Asc.
( she was his Healer )

June's Natal Saturn conjuncts Johhny's Draco I.C.
( another I.C. hit, this proves heavy Home Karma )*
Johhny's Draco moon opposes Juyne's Draco sun

Johhny's Draco Saturn and Karma exactly conjuncts June's Draco D.C.*
( he was bound by a karmic contract to be her husband )

Johhny's Draco Isis and Osiris conjuncts June's Draco Saturn

Johhny's Anti- Vertex conjuncts June's Draco Venus*

June's Draco Saturn Conjuncts Johhny's Natal moon *
( they have shared a parent child relationship in a previous life as Saturn stands for father and moon is Mother zodiacally )
June's Draco Chiron and venus conjuncts Johhny's Draco Asc.

June's Draco Juno conjuncts Johhny's Natal D.C. *
( speaks for itself)

June's Draco Valentine opposes Johhny's Draco Isis and Osiris

June's Draco Isis conjuncts Johhny's Draco Karma
Johhny's Natal sun and Mars conjuncts June's Draco Vertex

posted September 18, 2007 08:56 AM              

Alia,
since i came here to LL,few moths ago i asked IQ about me and my Bf.He saw the aspects and said that we werent TwinSouls,but definately Soul Mates

Once he had saw the sinastry,passed to the Dracos and it was from there that he afirmed that. But yup we still have to have important conections on sinastry.In our case it was mainly about isis-osiris and eros/psyche,and planets aspectinh our AC´s also.
See this pattern: his karma/Isis/Osiris trine my Sun in 0-1º,and aspects my AC also.My Osiris aspects in 0º his Sun/Merc/Venus/Jup/Psyche.
Now in Dracos,it were these clues:
- my D.Sun trines his D.Isis/Osiris in tight(making a DW)
- my Own Sun trine his Isis/Osiris( making a DW)
- my D.Isis aspects his Sun/Mars
-His D.Kaali conjunts my Osiris(0º)
- in our Sidereal and Heliocentric.theres a pattern very tight between our kaali-POM ( our placements always very interlinked).

Like Venus said,each chart has its own patterns,we just have to look for them and try to interpret ( sure IQ helped me a lot,without him i still would be very consused hihih)

Venus,
i loved your statements about all those asteroids! I dindt knew IQ said that about the celestial beings and asteroids - its very touching and makes sense indeed - by stranger it might look,i havent seen the interplay between me and Johns concerning some of those asteroids youve talked about.

What would you say in general about these ones? Some important about our past lifes?

- Parvati´s/Sun wide DW (trine in 4º)
-Parvati-Merc(ruler of his 12th/-ruler of my AC/MC) DW( 1º)
- my Parvati oposes his Mars(ruler of his MC)/his Parvati trine my Venus(ruler of my 2nd).
- Parvati/Vertex DW ( skuare and opose in 3º)
- Parvati/Kaali DW( sextile in 3º/Q in 0º)
- my Parvati conjunct his Valentine (3º)/trine his Psyche(3º)/semiskaure his Siva(0º)
-His parvati semiskuare my Psyche(0º - DW)
- MY RUDRA bq his Moon,ruler oh his AC(´0),skuare his Mers(0),trine his Venus(0),oposes his Lilith(0),sextiles his karma(2),skuares Psych(0)/MC(3)
- RUDRA - NN DW ( mine conjunts his NN(2)/his oposes mY NN(2)
- hsi Rudra sextile my Siva(0),semiskuare my Kaali(DW on this)
- my Nessus trine his Mars(2)skaure his jup ( DW on this),our Nessuns conjuncts (4º);skuare his karma(0ºorb),sextile his Psyche(2).
-His Nessus Q my Moon(0º),trine my Uranus(0º - ruler of my 5th house),semiskaure my NN(0º),sextile kiron(1),skuare Juno(0)/kaali(0),widely conj my Valentine/karma.

on these next,just a few:
-my Siva conj his Moon(2),his Siva oposes my Moon(4º).
- my Siva trine his Merc/his Siva skuare my Venus.
- my Siva sextile his VX,MC,Rudra(2) - his trine my VX(2),sesqiskuare(0º) Rudra and sextile my AC(2)
- MY kAALI semisextile his Sun(0º)- his skuare my Moon(0)
- my Kaali trine his NN(3) and oposes his karma(2) - hsi Kaali sextiles my NN(0) and widely conj my karma.
- my kaali skuare his Nessus(0),sextiles osiris(0). - our Kaali quindecile in 0º
- my JUNO conj his karma(3) - his sesquiskuare mmy karma(0º)
- his karma conj my Osiris(3) - his NN sextile my Osiris(1)
- My VALENTINE sextile hihs Merc(1),semiskuare his Venus(0),trine his Mars(4),skuare his Jup(0),trine his VX(3),skuare his Karma(2),sexile his Valentine(3),sextile his Psych(0),his MC(3)
- His Valentine conj my Parvati(3),sextile my Karma(0)-DW,trinne my Siva(1),and widely conj my NN(7).
- Eros-Merc DW and Eros-Jup DW
-His Eros skuare my Venus- mine Bq his Mars/Sun(0),
- MY eROS CONJ his NN(2)and sextiles his karma(0) - his trine my VX(2)and sextiles my AC(1)
-my Eros skuare his Pyche(0)
- Psyche - Rudra DW;
-Isis - Juno DW
- his Isis opose my Kudra;my Isis oposes his Isis/Osiris

posted September 20, 2007 07:38 AM              

From a quick glance, I think Alia and her man are soul mates and not twin souls because there is no Ascendant Double whammy
nor a north node double whammy.

Why am I so strict on orb widths? It is the burden of mathematics and probability, as well as my full trust in the exactitude of our Higher Self in reincarnational planning.

Let me repeat: My baby son has Sun in 17.46 Taurus conjunct my Venus in 17.45 Taurus and my mom's asteroid Karma in 17.46 Taurus. His Ascendant in 16.51 Capricorn conjuncts my wife's Anubis in 16.51 Capricorn. Likewise al important placments are within 2 degree orbs.

The Universe does not play favourites blessing just my family with precision, every human soul is equally precious and hence must have precise synstary placements.

Yesterday I got a chart request where an unknown native had his sun in 17.52 Taurus. Does that make him my soul brother or soul cousin? Mostly not because no other aspects matched at less than 2 degrees but many existed with 3 and 4 degree orbs.

Precision in multiple aspects is hence your Cosmic Insurance Policy in not falling for the wrong person. With more than 2 billion adult men and women in the planet, we need the precision in filtering out our perfect soulmates, and that too after the Universe "arranges" the meeting.

Will write more when I find time, there are some things to share about the recent Venus Retrograde and an ongoing ANUBIS-PANDORA conjunction that may explain quite a few personal challenges to a tad too many people in the last few weeks. Keep an eye out for a T-Square involving Mars-Pluto and the Sun today. No angry driving and no ego heavy thoughts in financial/business investments, please.

with lots of affection,
-IQH

posted September 20, 2007 08:04 AM              

IQ, I think im the 1st knowflake to see you here now,so let me say before you go away that:WE ALL MISS YOU !! thanks to come and give us a few words to say youre ok and your family too!

I hope youre having great times learning how to quiet the baby ( must be hard work but surely full of hapiness and fullfilent to)

Great to see that one more person will be blessed to have found her SM - you always the angel who comes to say the good news hihihi

posted September 20, 2007 11:48 AM              

it`s great to hear from you.
I hope you`re whole family is well, even though you don`t get as much sleep as you probably would like to.

"From a quick glance, I think Alia and her man are soul mates and not twin souls because there is no Ascendant Double whammy
nor a north node double whammy."
So, if there were an Ascendant DW or a nort Node DW, then this would be a good pointer towards Twinsouls?
I know you probably said that before, but even though I have read all your threads on this subject (several times to be honest), it never was that clear to me.

However, I have two synastries here (both have several exact interaspects, including Valentine and Karma). Now I just had a look at the DW`s. (only natal synastry, nothing else).

Synastry 1:

Neptune conjunct ASC (0)
ASC conjunct NEptune (0)

Pluto sextile ASC (0)
ASC sextile Pluto (2)

NN sextile Siva (1)
Siva sextile NN (1)

other dw`s were:

Venus conjunct Kaali (2)
Kaali opposite Venus (2)

Neptune trine IC (1)
IC trine NEptune (1)

Pluto conjunct MC (0)
MC conjunct Pluto (0)

Lilith conjunct Amor (1)
Amor conjunct Lilith (2)

Isis conjunct Kaali (0)
Kaali sextile Isis (0)

Osiris square IC (0)
IC square Osiris (0)

The exact aspects between main bodies:

Venus opposite Valentine
Saturn conjunct SN
NN conjunct ASC
Karma conjunct Saturn

also:
Pluto trine Siva
Pluto square Kaali
Chiron trine Mercury
Chiron trine Karma
Juno sextile NN
Amor conjunct Juno
Eros trine Eros
Isis conjunct Sun
Osiris conjunct Sun
Kaali sextile Chiron
IC trine Lilith

As I see it, there are three dw`s with ASC / NN, of which the Neptune-ASC-dw seems to be the strongest (conjunction and 0° orb in both cases). But Neptune and Pluto are generational planets, do they count nevertheless?
OR do I have to exclude them, when I look for dw`s?
All in all this synastry looks to me like there definitely is some karmic debt involved, not sure about the Twinsoul-thing, though.

The second synastry looks like this:

DW`s:

NN conjunct ASC (1)
DC conjuncts NN (2)

NN square IC (2)
IC sextile NN (0)

MErcury sextile Karma (1)
Karma opposite mErcury (2)
- in both cases MErcury rules the DSC

Saturn opposite Kaali (0)
Kaali square Saturn (2)

Neptune square Eros (2)
Eros trine Neptune (0)

Pluto trine Juno (2)
Juno opposite Pluto (1)

Lilith conjunct Karma (1)
Karma trine Lilith (2)

Juno sextile Kaali (0)
Kaali trine Juno (0)

Karma conjunct Psyche (2)
Psyche conjunct Karma (2)

ERos sextile Osiris (0)
Osiris sextile Eros )0)

the exact aspects between main bodies:

Sun sextile Karma
Venus conjunct Mars
Mars conjunct SN
Pluto sextile ASC
NN square Saturn
Valentine conjunct Sun (1°05)
Valentine sextile Valentine (1°06)
(PoF sextile Sun)

other exact aspect:

Jupiter conjunct Saturn
Saturn opposite Venus (1°17 - not really exact, I know)
Neptune square Saturn
Neptune conjunct ASC
Juno conjunct Chiron
Valentine sextile Siva
Siva sextile Venus
Kaali conjunct Psyche
ASC square Eros
IC square Mars

Both persons have an exact Isis/ Osiris-conjunction natally, and those Isis/ Osiris conjunctions are exactly solstice point each other.

What should I think of this synastry? Especially in comparision to the first one? Which one would you see as the "stronger" synastry?

"Precision in multiple aspects is hence your Cosmic Insurance Policy in not falling for the wrong person. With more than 2 billion adult men and women in the planet, we need the precision in filtering out our perfect soulmates, and that too after the Universe "arranges" the meeting."
Perfectly said. Even though I sometimes try to expand the orbs a little bit, I also return to the 2° or 3° orb again and again, I just don`t feel comfortable with orbs which are a lot wider.
Especially regarding the question if there is a soulmate-connection indicated; in those cases the aspect should be close to exact, like a meeting had been "written in the stars".

DD

posted September 20, 2007 02:49 PM            

yes i agree Venus is being really helpful

my 'man' ... i wish he was my soulmate...he took off...run away from me.he hasnt talked in over a month and i think he s seeing another girl. he s much younger and i know what u think about younger men w older women...-even if he s the one who looks older -but i really thought with all those aspects we had i was at least a little important to him. oh well maybe he ll come back. is there a come-back asteroid?

we all missed you here... i am new but i read all your old posts and i m so impressed by your knowledge and generosity for sharing

posted September 20, 2007 06:29 PM            

unfortunately IQ didnt consider my NN/conj.his SN/opp.his NN with him a DW,even if the conjunction is just 5 deg,wide...

posted September 21, 2007 03:59 AM              

Why do I stress on older man and younger woman? The younger man will always seek a very young woman when he reaches the midlife crisis age of 42-44. What is the chance of a 42 year old man leaving his 32-33 year old wife for a younger woman? Very dim.
Chances of the same man with a 48-50 year old soul mate leaving her for a 30 something woman? Very high.

Genetic prodding to procreate and Uranus controlled testosterone levels can tear the strongest synastry charts to shreds.
The day a 70 year old billionaire proposes to and marries a 70+ woman (AND does not maintain 30 something mistresses in European holiday resorts), well that is the day it becomes safe for women to seek a younger man as a sure shot loving soul mate. Until then, the dice will always be loaded against you.

posted September 21, 2007 04:09 AM              

Your North Node opposition is not valid by degree but possibly by sign. Are they in opposing signs?
Since you both are clearly soulmates, you must look into the Sabian Symbol meanings of the North Nodes and see if you can reconcile them. Reconciling paradoxes enhances enlightenment. I would like to see the Sabians of your North Nodes.

My book on astro and asteroids is totally delayed and the project is shelved until I learn the art of making a baby boy with no Libra planets in his chart to sleep in the night for 8 hours at at a stretch!!!

You can see the spoilt brat right here: http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d9/tsaied/Rehan/