posted January 26, 2008 03:20 AM              

i was trying to get it across that like pluto lilith too can be a powerful , complusive force.

i like ur idead to use the apogee and perigee in synastry.i dont have a ven-plu apect synastrically but my venus and his pluto apogees are exactly conjunct and that really feels as strong as a regular conjunction.
until i saw this apogee contact i tried everyting to find out why it felt like a venus- pluto romance.
declinations, draco ( some pretty strong stuff there ) but i didnt find that elusive ven- plu tie. now i can see our apogees as well as aphelions of theses planets are exactly conjunct. and it is very much as strong as a regular conjunction

and interestingly we have all asteroid and personal planetray contacts that make us a definite twin soul match. that is why not having a venus- pluto conjunction even while feeling it made me doubt what Linda and IQHUNK wrote about it being a definite Soulmate/ Twin Soul indicator.

posted January 26, 2008 01:56 PM              

VenusdeIndia,

posted January 26, 2008 06:24 PM            

the lunar apogee is powerful,compulsive

being based on the moon's orbit, it's emotional,sensitive,intuitive

the same with the lunar perigree

the difference is that the lunar apogee would be more the shadow side of the moon...be more compulsive,subconscious....after all, if an object is conjunct the lunar apogee,then it's opposite the lunar perigree

I think the apogees of objects in our solar solar system are like the shadow sides of the objects...compulsive,subconcious.

posted January 28, 2008 02:02 AM              

Mhax

posted June 19, 2008 10:45 AM              

trans neptunian planets anyone.??
i have long moaned the absence of venus-pluto in our synastry only to find we have cupido conj pluto ...
so updated as under...

The Eight TransNeptunian “Planets” of the Uranian System:
CUPIDO: Getting together. All groups: family, marriage, society, partnerships, organizations, corporations, collections. Art ... Cupido is a Super-Venus. The glyph is a combination of Venus and Jupiter, so where Venus means beauty, Cupido means art. Where Venus means love, Cupido means marriage. This is the planet of Togetherness.

Redefining partnerships such as marriage. Helps to create a sense of harmony when working in large groups or organizations. Relates to reestablishing family relationships that have been fractured.

HADES: All that is unpleasant, useless, antique, or deeply buried. The occult ... Hades is misunderstood, because many think only of the negative meanings: dirt, garbage, sewage, sickness, poverty, mistakes, and all things ugly and sinister. There is a positive side that deals with antiquity, depth, and past lives.

Cleaning up karma, tapping into past life talents and experiences. Relates to those involved in step parent/child relationships.

ZEUS: Controlled, directed energy. Machines; creativity; leadership. All things military. Combustion engines. Compulsion. Drive ... Zeus is like a loaded gun that is aimed. Even the glyph looks like a rocket. It signifies well planned efforts.

Relates to learning to channel one's anger into positive expressions. Becoming a voice of principle without becoming dogmatic or holier than thou. Getting in touch with one's inner truth. Relates to speakers, lecturers, etc.

KRONOS: Superiority: the highest quality attainable; the ultimate in authority; standard of excellence; undisputed expert ... Zeus and Kronos traveled in very close square from 1900 to about 1970. All natal horoscopes from 1900 to 1950 have these two planets together on the dial. These two together speak of energetic, creative activity of the highest quality. Unfortunately, they also speak of warfare, armament, and military commanders. The world experienced both sides of this combination.

Reaching one's highest potential. Becoming one's highest authority. Learning to work within structures.

APOLLON: The multiplier: expansion and spreading; growth and increase. Science, commerce, trade, industry, peaceful efforts ... The glyph is a combination of Jupiter and Gemini, and Apollon is truly a Super-Duper-Jupiter.

Relates to those seeking to reach the highest pinnacles of success.

ADMETOS: The brick wall: steadfast, stable, immovable. Shrinking. Narrowing down to a sharp focus. Specialization. Endurance ... The glyph for Admetos shows an affinity for the sign Taurus and must be drawn with a base line to show the Admetos capacity to be steadfast, stable, and immovable. Admetos describes inertia, slow motion, and things that go around in a circle like phonograph records and ceiling fans.

Relates to musicians or anyone involved in an endeavor that requires repetition and frequent practice. Also for terminating circumstances that go round and round with no escape evident.

VULCANUS: All that is mighty and powerful. Strength. Intensity... If a sentence has the word mighty or powerful in it, the Planetary signature will have Vulcanus in it. If the Sun and Vulcanus are together, the vitality, strength, and muscular power describe outstanding good health.

Finding great strength from within. The ability to overcome limitation through sheer determination and drive. Relates to focusing on the matter at hand and working it through.

POSEIDON: Spirituality, truth, ideation, enlightenment, illumination. Wisdom and culture ... Poseidon has an affinity for Pisces and its glyph looks like a sideways version of Pisces. Poseidon is Super-Neptune without a negative side.

Embracing and living the highest expressions of spirituality. Relates to being involved in the Arts; enhances inspiration and creativity.

it would nice to have feedback posted on these aspects by those who have checked them in their synastry.

posted June 20, 2008 09:17 AM              

how are things goin´ on the new job?

i Checked the ones you talked about,and found out me and Jonnhy also have:

His CUPID conj my PLUTO in 3ºorb

Why does that conection can make up for a lack of Venus/Pluto conjunction?Btw, do you consider also the paralell to be as strong as a conjunction?We have His Pluto paralell my Venus (0.6º).

His CUPID conj my Saturn/Poseidon:so maybe it was meant for us to be together,and it enhances or is conected to our Spirituality?

MY CUPID conj his JUNO 0º:2 MARRIAGE asteroids together..hmm a double hint that we were family/spouses partners?Supposed to reestablish the bond again?

his KRONOS conj my NN 4º
my KRONOS conj his Valentine 3º

his POSEIDON conj my Pluto 2º
my POSEIDON conj his PLuto 0º - what might signify these?Maybe each other´s spirit is intensified or magnified with Pluto?

his PROSERPINA CONJ MY Saturn/Pluto
my PROSERPINA CONJ His Proserpina (genera?)

DRACOS - do you watched these ones in your case studies also?

my D.Cupid conj his Sun 2º
his D.CUpid/Saturn conj my D. ASC 1º
his D.Cupid opose my D.Destinn 0º
My D CUPID trine his D AMOR
HIS D CUPID EXACT TRINE MY D.ANNA
his D CUPID TRINE MY AMOR - DW on this again!

HADES:dw ON Sun/Hades
his HADES trine my AC 2º/conj my Kiron..woudings in past life?

My D.Hades trine his D MOON
my D HADES trine his D CUPID 3º
MY D HADES trine his Jup and his NN
HIS D HADES conj my D OSIRIS
HIS D HADES trine my NN - dw on this

my D.PROSEPIRNA opose his D.Valentine 2º
his D.PROPSERPINA conj my NN 3º/D.Sun 4º/D.Venus 2º

posted June 20, 2008 06:13 PM              

In normal synastry nada cupido... BUT in draco

his dr cupid trine my dr pluto (1)
my dr cupid trine his dr pluto (0)

his dr cupid opposes my dr neptune (3)
my dr cupid opposes his dr neptune (1)

his dr cupid conjunct my dr MC (3)
my dr cupid conjunct his dr DC (2)

his dr cupid conjunct my dr mars (0)
his dr cupid conjunct my dr isis (1)

my dr cupid conjunct his N karma (4)
my dr cupid opposes his N moon (4)
my dr cupid trine his N isis (3)
my dr cupid opposes his N VALENTINE (3) !!!!
my dr cupid square his N pluto (2)

his dr cupid conjunct my N sun (2)
his dr cupid opposes my N karma (2)
his dr cupid opposes my N juno (1)

what does it mean? lol
does the cupid/pluto DW trine in draco mean the same as venus/pluto - i'm confused

posted June 21, 2008 01:32 AM              

pluto energy has different effects on different people. u need a certain maturity and conscientiousness to deal with the energy.

posted June 21, 2008 08:18 AM              

in my natal
Cupido: 29° Libra conjunct Union and Uranus
Hades: 22° Taurus
Zeus: 15° Virgo opposite Juno
Kronos: 10° Gemini conjunct SN, DSC and trine Pluto
Apollon: 05° Libra conjunct MC
Admetos: 04° Taurus trine Venus
Vulcanus: 06° Cancer opposite Venus

Someone, who is 2 years older than me:

Cupido: 26° Libra conjunct Moon
Hades: 20° Taurus
Zeus: 13° Virgo
Kronos: 08° Gemini conjunct DSC
Apollon: 04° Libra conjunct Pluto
Admetos: 03° Taurus
Vulcanus: 05° Cancer conjunct Valentine and opposing Sun
Poseidon: 21° Libra conjunct Uranus
Poseidon: 22° Libra

synastrical (orb 2°, because these objects are SOO slow):

my Cupido conjunct his Moon (1,5)
his Cupido sextile my Sun (1)

his Hades conjunct my Hades (2)

his Zeus opposite my Jupiter (2)
his Zeus conjunct my Zeus (2)
my Zeus square his Venus (2)
my Zeus trine his Jupiter (2)
my Zeus trine his NN (2)

my Kronos opposite his Venus (3)
my Kronos conjunct his Kronos (2)
my Kronos conjunct his DC (1)
his Kronos quinkunx my Venus (2)
his Kronos opposite my Mars (3)
his Kronos opposite my Nepptune (2)
his Kronos trine my Pluto (1)
his Kronos conjunct my SN (2)
his Kronos conjunct my DC (1)

my Apollon conjunct his Pluto ()1)
my Apollon sextile his Neptune (1)
his Apollon sextile my Mars (1)
his Apollon conjunct my MC (0)

my Admetos conjunct his Admetos (1)
his Admetos opposite my Uranus (2)

my Vulcanos opposite his Sun (1,5)
my Vulcanos conjunct his Valentine (0)
my Vulcanos square his Pluto (2)
his Vulcanos opposite my Venus (0)
his Vulcanos square my MC (0)

posted June 21, 2008 08:30 AM            

His Cupido trine her Venus(3)
His Cupido sextile her Uranus (1)
His Cupido trine her N.Node (2)
His Cupido trine her Chiron (1)
His Cupido conjunct her Asc. (1)

Her Cupido conjunct his Venus (1)
Her Cupido semisextile his Mars (0)
Her Cupido trine his N.Node (2)

posted June 21, 2008 10:28 AM              

TRANSNEPTUNIANS:

SCIENCE OR SPECULATION?

FACT OR FANTASY?

quote:

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Information about the Transneptunians is coming in to Earth at the speed of light with the new space technology that exists, including the Hubble Space Telescope, and other technology that utilizes infrared and ultraviolet cameras.

Initially, ground-based telescopes revealed that there were numerous small bodies around and beyond the orbit of Pluto, and later, space telescopes even began to find planets far beyond Pluto. At the end of this article you will find website links and a bibliography that account for what you read here.

Here we are in the 21st century and the idea of Transneptunian planets can no longer be rejected offhand by anyone other than the narrow-minded and those with an outdated perspective on astronomical realities.

New data from the telescopes are arriving as we read, and more and more information arrives to support the assertions of German engineer/astrologer/astronomer Alfred Witte about the existence of Transneptunians as early as the 1920s.

Witte, and those who worked with him, were scoffed at and ridiculed, even to the point where Witte was threatened by the Nazi secret police and ultimately committed suicide to avoid what he thought would subsequently happen to him or his family in the concentration camps. Among his colleagues were Ludwig Rudolph, who later was also harassed and censored by the Nazis. According to recently released Hamburg School documents, while the Nazis banned astrology books and imprisoned astrologers arbitrarily, certain astrology publications were nonetheless approved for distribution.

Reinhold Ebertin, a student of Witte's astrology, published an astrological reference in 1940 in which he duplicated and thus passed on core techniques of Witte's in an approach amazingly similar to that of Ludwig Rudolph, whose publications had been banned in 1936. An unfortunately highly critical appraisal of Witte's work, including his use of Transneptunian planetary bodies, in the introduction to Ebertin's book, biased many against the Hamburg School for years afterward, for Ebertin's book was later translated into English as the Combination of Stellar Influences and was promoted as the authoritative reference for interpretation of midpoint astrology; and the critical comment on Transneptunians was carried with it around the world in the widely, more internationally accessible English language.

Meanwhile, the earlier similar reference book based on the observations of Witte and colleagues, which included information on the Transneptunians, the Rulebook for Planetary Pictures, banned by the Nazis until after the end of World War 2, was preserved in secret by Hamburg astrologer Ludwig Rudolph. However, additional problems occurred as subsequent editing and cursory English translations obscured many of the original studies and observations.

It is quite likely that the days of seeing the work of Alfred Witte as absurdity are over. It is clear that Witte was ahead of his time, and saw and knew things that the people of the past were not ready for. And the fact that he was persecuted by such a lowly, opportunistic lot as the Nazis actually speaks well for him and his work.

An anthology of articles by Witte and some of his contemporaries was published by Ludwig Rudolph / Witte-Verlag in 1975, and in that book Witte writes about the four inner Transneptunians as though they are real planets, providing ephemerides and as much description of their physical characteristics as he was able to convey under the circumstances. He pointed out first of all, that emanations from the planets were, overall, increasingly subtle in quality as one moved farther away from the Sun, and also that the sunlight reflected by the planets, ranging from brighter colors for the inner planets such as Mercury and Venus, along the color spectrum to the darker colors for Pluto (which was in fact mentioned in his writings (*)), toward the ultraviolet zones of the color spectrum as one moved toward the Transneptunians. Thus Witte, already in the 1920s, asserted that the likelihood of sighting these planets with the naked eye was low because of the implied subtlety of their physical nature and the degree of visibility of the sunlight they reflect to the average human eye.

A frequent but unfounded criticism of Witte's assertions about the Transneptunians is that he did not consider Pluto; yet one of his articles (*) indicates that he was well aware of the search for Pluto. What is of even more significance is that discoveries about and astronomers' reassessments of the nature of Pluto in recent years indicate that it could be more of a Chiron-like centaur, thus explaining its highly irregular orbit; while the Transneptunians of Witte, and the further Transneptunians of his colleague, Friedrich Sieggrün, are posited to have much more regular orbits. While Pluto has been determined to be hard and icy in physical composition, the Transneptunians of Witte and Sieggrün are posited to carry on the overall continuum of increasingly less dense and gaseous composition of planets as one moves away from the Sun to the outer regions of our Solar System.

The exact details of how Witte made his Transneptunian discoveries are still not totally clear, as his work was banned by the Nazi government, and records were likely destroyed. Recently-released documents from Hamburg (Brummund, 2000) indicate that Witte kept a telescope sitting at his window, and worked with a pre-computer-age calculating device in performing his continual astronomical calculations. At the same time, Witte was what many would describe as a genius, and like other geniuses and inventors, crossed the boundaries beyond establishment science into the realm of metaphysics. Witte's articles indicate that he studied both the color spectrum and the music scale by precision, analytical methods, and claimed to find synchronistic links between music, color, and the planetary energies (inspired by and built upon earlier similar work by Johannes Kepler), and debated over these with famous German astrologer Walter Koch. Few astrologers have been as systematic and pragmatic in their studies of astrology as Witte was, in contrast with how more conventional astrologers have painted him to be. His brilliant and unconventional work was cut short by Gestapo harassment during his last years of life, and he has been harshly criticized by those of similar mentality since that time.

Those astrologers who have openly followed in the footsteps of Witte have found repeated and convincing evidence of the effect of the Transneptunians in their work, via practical application, since the 1920s. And many of those who still giggle at the idea of Transneptunians and deny their endorsement also wonder in awe at the accuracy of the assessments based on their application in astrological work. You can survey the following bibliography to find materials on the topic and see for yourself.

Those of us who openly work with the Transneptunians have sometimes been snubbed by the narrow and convention-trapped minds of the world, yet we see repeatedly that the effect of the Transneptunians is amazing, and we are excited as astronomical technology begins to unveil the mysteries of the outer regions of our infinitesimal corner of the Universe that we still occasionally slip and improperly refer to as "the" Solar System... as though there is only one.

Recently, astronomical ephemerides have been compiled for newly-discovered Transneptunian objects. Observation over time is normally required before precise ephemerides can be calculated, and related validation of Witte's and Sieggrün's planets will need to wait for these extended observations to take place. It is not unlikely that there are other smaller bodies or asteroids in the Transneptunian regions that will be uncovered before the Witte and Sieggrün objects are verified, particularly since the Kuiper belt, containing numerous small asteroids, overlaps with the inner Transneptunians, including Cupido. Even early students of the new Transneptunian astronomical discoveries have reversed their initial criticisms of the Witte-Sieggrün bodies, and conceded that some of the most recent discoveries may coincide with Cupido's data. Astronomical discoveries of the future will lead us on an exciting adventure in this area.

(This article will be updated as new information is made available)

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posted June 21, 2008 10:32 AM              

CU : Cupido : PSY : involved with others - people-oriented - companionable - enjoys contact - sociable - entertaining - public-spirited - group-oriented -- clannish -

MANIFESTATIONS : Marriage - Family - Togetherness - Pairs - Contacts - Relationships - Communities - Societies - Groups - Participants - Companies - Corporations - Parties - Associations - Gatherings - Synthesis - Complete Units - Organs - Symbiosis - Arts --- Cliques -

HA : Hades : PSY: private - concealed or hidden - retrospective - interested in history - interested in the unfamiliar - interested in non-solid or non-physical factors - seriously concerned - needs attention to details - needs timing --- neglectful - negative - stuck in the past - misunderstood - passive - evasive - envious - unreliable - needs to forgive - abuses trust if unevolved - may need help -

MANIFESTATIONS : The concealed or hidden - The unfamiliar - Non-solid or non-physical factors - The past - The old - Dealings with defects or deficiencies - Frugality - Sacrifices - Serious concern - Health issues - Humility - Common matters - Dealings with dirt - By-products -- Secrecy - Discomfort - Damages - Deficiencies - Worry - Grief - Hazards - Illness - Trouble - The crude - Vulgarity - Negativity - Neglect - Discrimination -

posted June 21, 2008 10:42 AM              

thats the verdict.now for the testimonials...

THE

TRANSNEPTUNIANS

as a Transpersonal Evolutionary Sequence http://www.uranian-institute.org/bftnevolution.htm
[quote]THE

TRANSNEPTUNIANS

as a Transpersonal Evolutionary Sequence

As I further developed and refined my perspective over time, Martha Lang-Wescott published new works verifying substantial observations that were also considered and incorporated; later, the Transneptunian meditations by Janis Page and the writings by Brian Clark on mythology and astrological symbolism helped in particular to further consolidate understanding of core planetary principles. These all further objectified my perceptions of the observations I have been making in actual chartwork with the Transneptunians since 1978.

The following model starts with Saturn, the first planet of personal responsibility within a social reality outside one's own ego. It is divided into positive [+] and negative [-] categories for the purpose of comparing the constructive versus non-constructive potential of the planetary energies.

As we learn more about Transneptunian factors, our understanding of the intra-Plutonian planets is further fine-tuned and clarified; and as Ruth Brummund points out in her introduction to the Brummund Rulebook, the various aspects of human concepts are often related to more than one planetary energy, and thus there is not necessarily a strict one-to-one correspondence between a planet and an object or concept as we perceive or interpret it in terms of human consciousness.

++THE PLANETARY DEVELOPMENTAL SEQUENCE

SATURN
URANUS
NEPTUNE
PLUTO
CUPIDO
HADES
ZEUS
KRONOS
APOLLON
ADMETOS
VULKANUS
POSEIDON

this is the sequence of these energiesevolving within us enough to have effect.so lets concentrate on cupido

posted June 21, 2008 10:52 AM              

heres a good look at why i think cupido can be Strong in Love synastry overriding absence of venus-pluto and lack of past - soulmate contacts...

quote:

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http://www.uranian-institute.org/jpcupido.htm

The Cupido energy first appeared as a mature woman carrying a cornucopia
filled to overflowing with food and bounty. This is about fertile
abundance of creative effort shared in the harvesting of it. There is
the understanding that what is given to one does not diminish, but
increases what is shared with others. There were rings, garlands of
flowers.

Cupido has a relationship to the Circle, and to all that it represents -
relationship, creative Essence, cycles and returning, nurturance,
creative spirit.

This being is about applied love in applied manifestation (which is not
sentimentality), from the harmonized interrelationships of facets of the
psyche within the individual, and radiating outward to family,
community, and beyond. The stones pink tourmaline, rhodonite, and rose
quartz come to mind.

This is not weak, or without proper integrity, balance and boundaries.
It is dynamic relationship, not mindless enmeshment. And yet there is
the glue of related connectivity to it - it is universal/energetic
"connective tissue".

Saw a herd of deer, where each is a sentry for the group, and also for
other creatures as well. There is a sense of responsibility here.

The energy is expansive, collecting, and unifying - there is much
acceptance to it, and yet not without discernment and responsibilty for
the integrity and wellbeing of the whole, unless the energy is out of
balance in its functioning.

Heard Sting's song, "Fields of gold" - there is also a tender feeling of
devotion and love between lovers and partners, optimally supported by
and in balance with the environment.

Stars and constellations - here are the creative sparks of inspiration,
which may shine alone, yet more radiantly in harmony with others. The
synergy/gestalt of the combined whole adding a further dimension and
potential context of meaning and effectiveness.

When an individual is aligned with the divine spark within themselves,
their "star energy", so to speak, their creative lifeforce energy will
pour forth into the creative forms - music, art, writing, and on.
Cupido can magnetize a person to this inner source.

Magnetism is a keyword concept here - each will magnetize and be
magnetized to those whose creative energies are resonant with their own,
creating a fertile energy exchange of creative collaboration with like,
similar, and/or complementary others.

There is protection and safety 'within the tender mercies' of those of
intimate shared essence connection.

Schools of fish swimming and turning in perfect unison as they are of
one shared mind. Birds, too, those that know how to fly in formation
to ease the workload of each thru the cooperative efforts of all - and
the same energetic "aerodynamics" of family and community.

Altruism - that which is best for all, where ideally all have primary
needs met, before the wants of a few.

This energy crosses dimensions from the personal to the transpersonal
and universal.

It's like singing a round, where beautiful harmony in inherent within a
single melody line when that melody line is shared and repeated.

There is a sweetness to this energy, but also a formidible power of
unification and creative expression - like the tarot card, The Empress.

The unicorn approached, expressing to remember the divine in grace and
beauty, and in Love - they all serve the sole purpose of reconnecting
you to Source.

This energy's intent is to unify all thru creative expression within
themselves, with others, and further outward, in radiating ripples of
connectivity and Love, which is the inherent glue that holds the atoms
of the universe together, thru expansiveness and cohesion. Often it
does this thru joyful expression. It is profound, and yet need not feel
'heavy'... there is a grace and beauty, and a natural inherent rightness
and flow to it. It is compassionate.

Indira's Web - seeing the canopy of stars, each connected to the others
by shining golden threads, and those golden threads further connecting
all creatures, rocks, mountains and lakes, all beings, all people in her
intricate web of interrelatedness and interdependence. There is no
separation. In the greatest sense, Community embraces all beings, here
and beyond, and across the threshold of time.

Do not understimate the little song, poem or story that you write, or
the work you do with others in creativity, laughter, the little acts of
kindness and caring, prayer or healing. It connects you to the Source,
and enlivens all the shining golden threads... Do not underestimate
what sparks of inspiration what you do might ignite in others.

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so basically it means Valentine has competition

posted June 21, 2008 10:55 AM              

quote:

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I think they are good enough to replace inner planets' lack of aspects and create attraction...Am I right?

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exrecise, read what i posted above for cupido and tell me, if that sums it ????

posted June 21, 2008 10:59 AM              

So, do these planets exist or don`t they? I`m confused now!