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venusdeindia
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posted September 17, 2007 09:43 AM
 
Ok, so we have had Valentine threads and venus- pluto threads and twin soul threads. here r my recent insights on the whole soulmate and twin soul scenario.question = can he be my soulmate ?
answer = first what do u feel? thewn check the charts. soul mates usually apear after u have been thru the freaks and the jerks. after u have grown to appreciate the real thing , have evolved spiritually and want to continue evolving spiritually. remember a soulmate meeting serves a much higher purpose than ur individual needs now astrologically
in another thread DD said
================================ I just had a short look at JOhnny Cash`s and June Carter`s synastry, only including the main planets and angles, and they don`t have all that many aspects in a close 3° orb.
And the aspects to her moon are not sure, because her birthtime is unknown. But 14 aspects seem to be a very small number of synastric aspects for a soulmate-couple. What do you think this means?
Also, what does it mean that his Sun and Moon have no really close aspects to her planets? Does it mean we have to apply the asteroids to understand the real interaction between two persons?
Does that mean, a comparision of the natal main players alone doesn`t suffice? I am rather confused here. ========================================= now look at a soulmate couple for guarantee,
Cash- Carter, no Double whammy for my eyes. if u saw the movie u know what an intense relationship that was
look at the asteroid and draco analysis "
June's Isis conjuncts Johhny's Draco Ascendent
Johhny's Draco venus conjuncts June's Natal Vertex.*
Johhny's Draco Chiron conjuncts June's Natal Venus and Node
( healing his alcoholism with her love was her spiritual path ? )
June's Draco Chiron conjuncys Johhny's Natal Asc.
( she was his Healer ) June's Natal Saturn conjuncts Johhny's Draco I.C.
( another I.C. hit, this proves heavy Home Karma )*
Johhny's Draco moon opposes Juyne's Draco sun Johhny's Draco Saturn and Karma exactly conjuncts June's Draco D.C.*
( he was bound by a karmic contract to be her husband ) Johhny's Draco Isis and Osiris conjuncts June's Draco Saturn Johhny's Anti- Vertex conjuncts June's Draco Venus* June's Draco Saturn Conjuncts Johhny's Natal moon *
( they have shared a parent child relationship in a previous life as Saturn stands for father and moon is Mother zodiacally )
June's Draco Chiron and venus conjuncts Johhny's Draco Asc. June's Draco Juno conjuncts Johhny's Natal D.C. *
( speaks for itself) June's Draco Valentine opposes Johhny's Draco Isis and Osiris June's Draco Isis conjuncts Johhny's Draco Karma
Johhny's Natal sun and Mars conjuncts June's Draco Vertex """
question as to how to find if ur partner is a soulmate astrologically answered hopefully
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venusdeindia
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posted September 17, 2007 09:44 AM
Question = can asteroids reveal twinsoul / soulmate?answer = first understand what they represent. pluto is the highest frequency of ur soul in 3-D earth . physically it rules the pineal gland that connects our soul to our bodies.the same description applies to Siva. both these archetypes imply death and transformation. i have corresponded with Iq on asteroids.especially how they work
he has revised his view that they work on name frequency basis. my parents , confirmed soulmates have valentine conjunct valentine, juno conjunct juno, they did not know what these words denote until i told them recently. Iq said that he read in a hermetic book that our solar system , planets asteroids are controlled by celestial beings in charge of our evolution. asteroid like valentine, juno, karma, siva, rudra , kaali , isis, osiris, nessus, chiron must be these beings who show their effects irrespective of culture and language. he said that valentine is more powerful than venus.
mythhology was not created for fun. there is a deeper meaning behind all myths. i had no idea about the myths of chiron, nessus, pholus etc. that didn't stop them from dramatizing my life with eerie accuracy.my mom' nessus conjunct my venus- chiron enacted the nessus myth exactly, . she ended up being my chiron wound, here nessus lured me into the depths to examine my issues with my childhood, we kinda broke off for a while but r now closer then ever. i cried and cried for days, but at the end of it my ability and perception of love was pure , peachy venus. it lacked the depth of pluto and spirituality of neptune, i did not love myself. at the end of my dark night i found my real SELF.and that makes it worth the pain.
i had no idea what the meaning or myths behind nessus, chiron , pholus were. look at Cash- Carter, isis, osiris, karma, valentine, chiron figure strongly i n an otherwise ordinary synastry. u will stop questioning the idea of soulmates if u see the movie
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posted September 17, 2007 09:45 AM
question= Venus- pluto Dw important for twin souls ?
answer= i didn't know that Iq said no Venus-Pluto no twinsouls. i remember in one thread he told , swerve i think that his Gf could be his twinsoul without that aspect.in my case no venus- pluto DW, but his pluto is parallel her valentine, his draco valentine conjuncts her venus- chiron and opposes his natal pluto, her pluto conjuncts his karma 9 (1 degree) and is square to his venus declinationally.his draco nessus opposes her draco venus exactly.her parvati ( another name for kaali )is conjunct his siva, her draco valentine is conjunct his true node conjunct his draco siva. his isis conjunct her karma opposes his uranus exactly.her pluto opposes his rudra exactly,
rudra is the plutonian archetype of siva, it represents death and transformation.when his wife parvati died siva turned to rudra because his pineal gland opened, our pineal gland is ruled by pluto, he destroyed the entire cosmos in his grief, his passion for parvati. now if that ain't plutonian what is ?
in a mail IQ told me siva- pluto can be a substite for venus - pluto. infact siva/ kaali/rudra aspecting pluto in synastry will have as powerful an impact as venus- pluto, so he said.before we ascribe synastry to twin souls first understand what they mean. osiris/ siva = divine father and isis/kaali/parvati = divine mother aspects are present in males and females respectively. our indian yogis spend years of penence to awaken these divine aspects within themselves. only twin souls are the two pieces of the puzzle where them coming together is worth years of meditation on a mountain. now that we know this single astrological aspect cannot be a one size fits all to this phenomenon. our birth chart represents our mind pattern at birthtime. we decide the position of our palnets at birth.not the other way round.when ur mind evolves so does ur birth chart. i have a natal YOD involving my Venus conjunct chiron at 25 tau , pluto at 24 lib, and neptune at 25 sag. i am now grown out of it. so my natal positions do not matter in nsynastry. we cannot reduce our souls to a diagram and twin soul love to a single astrological aspect.
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posted September 17, 2007 09:49 AM
MY question = is our soul our birth charts?
answer= I had vedic / sidereal astrology studied it for 2 years until i landed on LL.i spoke to a liberal vedic astrologer and discussed about the work i had done, what i had learnt and some of our ideas.he was doubtful about asteroids but not about tropical positions.he actually does consider them, he is not fatalistic however, or like those self-righteous indian astrologers. He said the reason for sidereal corrections of planetary positions is that in essence our philosophy recognises that an individual Soul is so much more than his PRESENT incarnate personality.he stressed that the lunar mansions/ constellation/ have a completely different base, the current breed of professionals dont go into the depths of nakshatras/ constellations .he said, as i have learnt from Tantra that every individual is the microcosm of the universe, we have 12 lunar constellations group in our energy body.we take 21600 breaths every 24 hours, thats one Precession of the Equinox, how then can u not think ayanmasa/ sidereal corrections in tropical positions based on the same are not to be into account ?
check ur sidereal constellations here
http://www.galacticcenter.org/nakshatras.htm http://www.vedicprediction.com/know-your-nakshatras.html
Like was said in that e-book i distributed indian astrology is space based. IQ showed in a thread how Carl Tobey's theories are more accurate. In vedic horoscope too the first house is governed by LEO, second by Cancer and so forth.i tried studying the constellations / nakshatras when he said all these things and behold where the sidereal paled in front of the tropical is where they proved correct.certainly i am a cancerian sun n moon and being gemini in sidereal i have nothing geminian.i feel i was a dormant plutonian , though all i have is a loose sun-pluto trine, venus quincunx pluto and pluto in the eighth. And our vedic astrology does not consider pluto at all.also significant to me, Draco pluto conjunct True node.
I know people, loads of them around me who have not changed in their entire lives as much as i changed in the past 2 or 3 years. He gave me a book by Dennis Harness and David Frawley on Nakshatras .each one has a deity, a sound, a quality as in sattvic, tamasic or rajasic.each has a specific life path like moksha, kama, arth . Each nakshatra has its own MYTH. Too long to go into here, each planet is analysed in regard to the dwad, decan, nakshatra it falls in not just the sign. When i analysed my sidereal chart in this way , excluding Uranus, Neptune and Pluto ,it perfectly aligned with the tropical!!
Sun n moon in Ardra , myth – Rudra, path – kama, quality, all the three. The issues emphasized are death, pain suffering , deep passion an thinking, and above all a double edged gift of power that can oscillate between extremes. Now that is not Gemini  OJ and Nicole had their Venuses conjunct in Ardra !! . The myth of Ardra is that of Taraka who abused the power achieved by penance and power which led to his downfall, now that’s Plutonian. Another example Venus quincunx Pluto and Neptune. Sidereal Venus in Krittika, mansion composed of six of the brightest stars of Pleides, in Hindu Mythology they r the wives of great seers, in Greek the six are Maia, Electra, Alycone, Celano, Asterope, Taygate. Krittika represents Agni, the sacred dfire that purifies. It brings out the divinity of the native but not without burning him in the fire of purification. Enough said, Venus and Valentine and Chiron in Krittika have been PURIFIED.
It is the same with the whole chart. The way I see it, the sidereal positions represent a view of space not planets, it is transcendent not in terms of time like the tropical since time is an Illusion, there is no time in space. The Past ,Present and Future are happening simultaneously. We choose a time period to incarnate so as to have a human experience and the PERSONALITY chosen that can best achieve the goal that is Tropical Astrology. Sidereal makes correction for the illusion of time , the time cycles and shows the incarnate Divinity behind the human experience, that the God- Mind intends , at least that is my insight. And where does Draconic fit in? I think of Rahu as the star gate to incarnate into the physical plane, indicator of Mind pattern the intersection of the elliptical planes of the Earth and Moon. From what I have learnt thru a detailed study of the Shri Yantra in Tantra , all that is materially manifested , the entire universe is made of a permutation n combination of Sun, Moon and Fire. In Vedic astro Sun is Soul, Moon is Mind . When the paths of earth and moon intersect , time and mind clash is where we calculate Rahu/ North Node and Ketu/ South Node. Thus North Node is where we intend to go evolutionally and South Node is where we come from. All our soul contracts are made on this basis, we attract souls known and unknown based on our Draco. I cannot get over my Dr. Sun conjunct Dad’s Draco Karma , his Draco Saturn and Mom’s Draco Valentine conjunct my Tr. Asc. , that one had me stunned for days. Sun representing soul, thus heliocentric astrology represents our christ consciousness, transcendent, timeless, divinity having a human experience.........IP: Logged |
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posted September 17, 2007 09:56 AM
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posted September 18, 2007 12:41 AM
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posted September 18, 2007 01:15 AM
I haven't seen the movie about Johnny and June, but I do know their relationship was very intense. Now that you've pointed out these asteroid connections between them, I'm interested to learn more about asteroids and see how they apply to my own relationships. Very interesting indeed.IP: Logged |
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posted September 18, 2007 01:20 AM
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posted September 18, 2007 06:57 AM
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posted September 18, 2007 09:56 AM
Very insightful Venus Thanks a lot; now i will look even closer to our helio and sidereal and Draco ( not that i didnt saw it , but i will see it again with those asteroids youve talked about the other thread) IP: Logged |
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posted September 18, 2007 11:06 AM
Just in a glance i saw:my Sideral Valentine conjunct his natal True Node(1º)
his Sidereal Valentine/kiron conjunct my POM(0)and my natal Juno(4)
his S.Pluto trine my Sid Siva(0);and natal Isis(2)
his D.Valentine trine my SId Kaali(2),S.Valentine(3)
my Draco Valentine oposes his S.Siva(0);oposes his 5thcusp(1)
my D.Siva conjunct his Siva(1).
His D.Siva conj my Karma(3),conj my D.Kaali(4), and oposes my Siva(2).
his D.Kaali conj my Osiris(0º),conj my S.Isis(1),oposes my S.Uranus(1) and my S.Psych(1).
his S.Kaali conj my S.Valentine/Karma(1),D.Merc(0) and my Natal Rudra(2) and natal Eros(3).
my S.Kaali oposes his S.Kiron/Valentine(2)
-my D.Isis oposes his Sun(1);his D.Isis/Osiris trines my D.Sun(0)and my AC(3)
- his D.sun oposes my Nep(0),trine my Pluto(0)
- my D.Atlantis conj his D.Amor(0);
-his D ATlantis oposes my AC(3),my S.Osiris(2),and conj my DC(3)
- my D PLuto oposes his S.Isis(1)
-my D.AC conj his Neptune(2)
-my Dis.sATURN conj his I.C.(4)
- his Kiron conj my D.sun(0)and trine my AC(1)
-my s.kiron conj his S.Valent(4). my Kiron oposes his natal isis/osiris and also his S.Osiris(1).
-my D.Saturn conj his Kaali(0)and his D.Eros(1),and his S.Venus(4).
-his D.Saturn oposes my Juno(0),and trine my Osiris(1),and my S.Isis(2).
-his D.Vesta conj my DC(2).His S.Karma conj my DC(0).
- my D.Kiron conj his S.Earth(0);
- his D.Kiron conj my S.Earth(5),my D.Osiris(3)
- my D.IC conj his Sun(2)
-his D.I.C conj my S.Karma/S.Valentine(3)
- his D.Juno conj my S.Juno(3)
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posted September 18, 2007 11:29 AM
Venus de India,I am completely stunned! 
What a wealth of information, so many insights. Wow!
"June`s Isis conjuncts Johnny`s Draco Ascendant."
Would you consider this with an orb of 6°?
"he said that valentine is more powerful than venus."
So, I guess that means a 1° conjunction of Valentine with someone else`s Sun would be a good thing? Even if there weren`t all that many Sun-interaspects?
"Nessus"
I remember having talked about Nessus in a thread very shortly. IQ said back then it is a real bad sign to have NEssus in synastry, but I have seen it so often in relationships, especially in intense, challenging, but also lasting relationships and attractions.
It seems to figure quite strongly in my synastries in any case. Maybe because my own Nessus isin my 7th house and opposite my Sun and Mercury (ruler of 7th house) - does that mean I am prone to sexual abuse in relationships?
Or are there any slightly more positive interpretations on Nessus? Does he really have no redeeming qualities?
But I have to admit, "sexual abuse" as a thought, a subject of talks has always been there in my family. There has always been much talk about sexual abuse and the advice of caution towards strangers on the part of my mother`s. And, since I can remember, she always suspected some sexual abuse to have happened to me, which she couldn`t prevent and so she is feeling guilty. And it comes up again and again, as an explanation for every "unnormal" behaviour of mine, at least in her eyes "unnormal" (like being calm, a tendency to want to have time on my own, being overweight and so on).
So, yes, it has been a subject of thinking and talking all through my childhood and adolescence. But you know what? the real damage has been done by that constant digging up that subject, and with me unable to make her understand, that nothing happened. NOone ever raped me! She just won`t believe me. So, t hat is a strange way to experience Nessus I think.
But not uninteresting, my Mum and me share a DW of Moon-Nessus-square.
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posted September 18, 2007 11:55 AM
(cont.)"but his pluto is parallel her valentine,"
Would you consider parallels and contraparallels as important? Or as how important would you judge them?
"in a mail IQ told me siva- pluto can be a substite for venus - pluto."
Siva is the father-god, right? And Kaali / Parvati the mother-god?
So, wouldn`t it make more sense to substitute Venus-Pluto with Kaali / Parvati-Pluto?
But then I read, Siva represents love, did I get that right? So it would make more sense this way.
" infact siva/ kaali/rudra aspecting pluto in synastry will have as powerful an impact as venus- pluto, so he said."
Including the arousing of intensity and passion?
"i have a natal YOD involving my Venus conjunct chiron at 25 tau , pluto at 24 lib, and neptune at 25 sag. i am now grown out of it."
Does that mean it has lost it`s influence on you?
Well, I don`t agree completely on this. I think since we will keep our birthchart till this life has ended, it will keep on influencing us. But we can evolve and transform ourselves, so that we express the energies of our birthchart in healthier ways. Do you understand what I mean?
For example, Venus - Pluto can be expressed as wanting to have power over loved ones, it can result in being manipulative, controlling or being controlled and manipulated by others. There can be destructive passions at work.
But in a healthier way, it can also be expressed as the power of love, a deep, creative force, that will transform anyone who is touched by it.
"check ur sidereal constellations here"
I did. Well, I am not sure which sidereal zodiac to use. The Fagan or the Lahiri one? What would you suggest?
However, it seems that my sidereal Sun, Mercury and Venus are in Mula; my Moon is in Shravana or Dhanishta (depending on which zodiac I choose), my Mars, ASC and NN is in Anurada. I haven`t checked the other placements yet. BTW would you consider a comparision of sidereal and tropical placements in synastry? Or are those two not to be mixed up?
"dwad, decan, nakshatra"
I have just recently found that the Dwads seem to play a vital role in synastry, too. But I only have applied it to the tropical so far. But it was amazing, to see the tight connections in synastries, that weren`t so visible only by the signs.
"The Past ,Present and Future"
Yes, I was always fascinated by past, present and future, because I didn`t really get that concept. To me it always has been one. Of course I can analyse how I changed over the years, and yet, it has always been ME, and my core is still the same as all those years ago. That doesn`t mean I haven`t changed at all. I have. I can`t really explain it.
"All our soul contracts are made on this basis, we attract souls known and unknown based on our Draco."
Yes. The Draco`s are calculated from our North Node. If we calculated now the Draco`s from the South Node, then all placements would be in opposite signs, yes?
Which means, an opposition in the Draco (calculated from North Node) would actually be a conjunction in the #Draco (calculated from South Node)?
Does that mean oppositions in Draco have a connection to the past of our souls, while conjunctions point into the future?
Do you understand how I mean? But the Draco`s, yes, fascinating, I have actually found more DW`s in them as in normal synastry (of course there are more charts to analyse, that might be the reason for that. lol). DD IP: Logged |
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posted September 18, 2007 03:03 PM
great insights venusdeindia I just returned to Lindaland a few weeks ago and see lots of amazing threads on synastry by all of you. Great minds are here and its great to be here I think with the draconic chart the nnode will point to "must dos" in this lifetime and onwards. the snode draconic from what I have researched in my charts shows connections we have had in past lives and may continue in this life, so darkdreamer I agree with what you said.
I found astonishing connections with the draco charts explaining my connection to two very intense relationships past and current.
What I do is also combine draco charts to check the composite direction of a relationship.And again add all the love asteroids Iqhunk has researched.
I haven't read all the threads here yet but I dont see Iqhunk here. Is he still around?
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posted September 18, 2007 03:41 PM
How do i check my Draconic chart?IP: Logged |
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posted September 18, 2007 07:35 PM
Always convert everything in your chart to natural zodiac placement for easier calculation: 0 - 360 degrees
So you take your nnode subtract it from the 0 deg point and whatever the difference is, is what you will subtract from each of your other placementsSo say your nnode is 10 leo you convert this degree to 130, minus 130 from every placement in your chart. Any time you have a planet etc at a lesser degree than 130 you first add 360 and then subtract 130 Example venus at 20 can = 100 so you add 360 and get 460. Then minus the 130 deg of nnode and you get 330. This places your Venus at 0 deg Pisces Hope this helps IP: Logged |
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posted September 19, 2007 02:47 AM
DD,
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"June`s Isis conjuncts Johnny`s Draco Ascendant."
Would you consider this with an orb of 6°?=================
no, 3 degree should be good enough.but i would consider all the 4 i.e. sidereal, tropical , draco and helio. ==========================
So, I guess that means a 1° conjunction of Valentine with someone else`s Sun would be a good thing? Even if there weren`t all that many Sun-interaspects?
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definitely ! the valentine person would truly love the core personality of the sun person and his love wouyld be reciprocated. what do u need other mundane sun interaspects for ?
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IQ said back then it is a real bad sign to have NEssus in synastry, but I have seen it so often in relationships, especially in intense, challenging, but also lasting relationships and attractions.
It seems to figure quite strongly in my synastries in any case. Maybe because my own Nessus isin my 7th house and opposite my Sun and Mercury (ruler of 7th house) - does that mean I am prone to sexual abuse in relationships?
Or are there any slightly more positive interpretations on Nessus? Does he really have no redeeming qualities?
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i discussed this in detail with IQ . study the nessus myth carefully u all. its as good as Chiron.Nessus is the asterois that links Saturn to Pluto .the myth, at the core involved a trip to the core , thru pain sometimes.my Mom's Nessus on my Venus- chiron did exactly that, so did my Dad's Nessus on my Valentine. my Valentine was dormant, my veVenus superficial. bith have been purged .
That is what i told IQ, that it cant be sexual abuse becoz because all i went thru was good old emotional torture at their hands. nothing sexual happened. but yes until then due to the Venus- Pluto YOd i thought that love was a sense of pwerlessness, i am over that now.so my pluto is merged with my venus- chiron. ============================
Well, I don`t agree completely on this. I think since we will keep our birthchart till this life has ended, it will keep on influencing us. But we can evolve and transform ourselves, so that we express the energies of our birthchart in healthier ways. Do you understand what I mean?
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yes i understand what u mean. i meant that that YOD no longer is effective.i have harmonised my Venus with the depth and power of pluto and spirit of neptune. trust me i did not love my real self until then. that was probably the challengs of that YOD. to love my real self and not worry bout how i look to the world and depend for my self =worth on others. in THAT sense that YOD in my birth chart is defunct.Remember IQ said that a quincunx can be overcome in synastry if one of the partners move 30 degrees ahead or behind. =================================
"but his pluto is parallel her valentine,"
Would you consider parallels and contraparallels as important? Or as how important would you judge them?
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posted September 19, 2007 05:28 AM
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Siva is the father-god, right? And Kaali / Parvati the mother-god?
So, wouldn`t it make more sense to substitute Venus-Pluto with Kaali / Parvati-Pluto?
But then I read, Siva represents love, did I get that right? So it would make more sense this way.
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okay clarification. venus- pluto is a MYTH. the astrological aspect plays that Myth as do chiron , nessus etc.pluto being greek God of the underworld or metaphorically the deepest core of our Soul. venus in mythology was the goddess of love, beauty etc.pluto abducted her and took her to his underworld domain.now apply this myth to what i have written about twinsouls.
siva- parvati/kaali are the same myth in an indian format.both siva and pluto represent the pineal gland, the depth of the soul. both kaali /parvati and venus represent the feminie principle.
twin souls are final split before incarnating on the earth plane.since this plane is of duality and is soul is bisexual, the one part incarnates with divine father/ siva/ osiris aspect predominant and other with kaali/ parvati/ osiris. pluto is highest FREQUENCY of soul in 3D earth. Remember what Linda taught aboyt frequency. when u have a Venus = Pluto aspect with someone their beauty, values, conceptuion of Love resonates to ur Frequency. IP: Logged |
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posted September 19, 2007 05:28 AM
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Siva is the father-god, right? And Kaali / Parvati the mother-god?
So, wouldn`t it make more sense to substitute Venus-Pluto with Kaali / Parvati-Pluto?
But then I read, Siva represents love, did I get that right? So it would make more sense this way.
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okay clarification. venus- pluto is a MYTH. the astrological aspect plays that Myth as do chiron , nessus etc.pluto being greek God of the underworld or metaphorically the deepest core of our Soul. venus in mythology was the goddess of love, beauty etc.pluto abducted her and took her to his underworld domain.now apply this myth to what i have written about twinsouls.
siva- parvati/kaali are the same myth in an indian format.both siva and pluto represent the pineal gland, the depth of the soul. both kaali /parvati and venus represent the feminie principle.
twin souls are final split before incarnating on the earth plane.since this plane is of duality and is soul is bisexual, the one part incarnates with divine father/ siva/ osiris aspect predominant and other with kaali/ parvati/ osiris. pluto is highest FREQUENCY of soul in 3D earth. Remember what Linda taught aboyt frequency. when u have a Venus = Pluto aspect with someone their beauty, values, conceptuion of Love resonates to ur Frequency. IP: Logged |
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posted September 19, 2007 05:30 AM
what is SEX ?
it involves the balance of the hemispheres of the brain by the pineal gland at the moment of orgasm by the Pineal Gland.the nerves clustering the pineal gland connect our spinal chord to the crown chakra. remember we are Spiritual beings having a human experience. not the other way around.love is the energy that flows from God/ Father mind/ Siva.
the energy that creates this universe flows from it too.she is mother/shakti/ kaali/ parvati.
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posted September 19, 2007 05:30 AM
as for substituting venus- pluto, they both represent the same phenemona. but i like valentine pluto better than venus - pluto
valentine is more about real love, venus in mythology was more peachy and vail and all that.as for siva/ kaali/ parvati aspecting pluto, now u know what it means
if u google on siva= parvati u will find the same basic myth. the power of love 
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infact siva/ kaali/rudra aspecting pluto in synastry will have as powerful an impact as venus- pluto, so he said."
Including the arousing of intensity and passion?
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uh, well its a funny thing to say aboyut gods, siva/ rudra representing pineal gland means rampant sexuality. havn't heard the word TANTRA ?
actaully my mouth waters to think of it, kaali representing kundalini, working on the pineal gland means lots of mattrresses, watwer and multivitamins to the poor couple ======================================================== BTW would you consider a comparision of sidereal and tropical placements in synastry? Or are those two not to be mixed up? ========================================================
definitely mix and see. i would suggest all to do experiments with their family and relaionships charts . ===================================== Does that mean oppositions in Draco have a connection to the past of our souls, while conjunctions point into the future?
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posted September 19, 2007 12:10 PM
Venus de India,"definitely ! the valentine person would truly love the core personality of the sun person and his love wouyld be reciprocated."
Does that mean, the Sun-person would love the Valentine person, too? I always thought the Valenine person would be the loving one.
In that synastry it happens that the woman`s Valentine and Amor are conjunct the man`s Sun, while his Aphrodite is conjunct her Sun and his Amor widely trines her Sun (4°). "That is what i told IQ, that it cant be sexual abuse becoz because all i went thru was good old emotional torture at their hands. nothing sexual happened."
Yes, I think NEssus can mean emotional abuse as well, or at least emotional pain. I don`t want to point fingers and say: "it`s all my mum`s fault", because in our case it`s not that easy. She always means it well, but due to our different personalities there has happened some hurt on both sides, especially emotionally. (Moon-Nessus?)
"i understand what u mean. i meant that that YOD no longer is effective.i have harmonised my Venus with the depth and power of pluto and spirit of neptune."
That was exactly what I meant. Now that you have "solved" the challenges of that aspect, you can express its energy in a more positive, loving way.
"ofcourse they r imp but only in Tropical and the orb should be 3 degrees after conversion into zodiacal degree."
Would you only look at conjunctions and oppositions?
I think in JOhnny Cash`s and June Carter`s case you mentioned a declinational square of Venus and Pluto, or did I misread that?
Funny, the synastry I am looking into at the moment, has an exact Venus (her)-Mars (his) conjunction in the longitudes, a double whammy of Venus-Mars-conjunctions in the declinational chart; his draconic Mars is opposite her draconic Venus - I guess, you could call that a pattern.
"venus- pluto is a MYTH."
You`re right. I forgot about that, and just saw the "indivdual players" instead of seeing the whole myth.
"but i like valentine pluto better than venus - pluto"
Funny, that you mention this. This synastry, I am talking about, has a dw of Valentine - Pluto in the draconic.
" rampant sexuality. havn't heard the word TANTRA ? "
lol I have heard it, but never actually experienced it.
"actaully my mouth waters to think of it, kaali representing kundalini, working on the pineal gland means lots of mattrresses, watwer and multivitamins to the poor couple "
Wow!
BTW what would a Juno-Kaali dw in the synastry mean then? Or can`t you interprete them together, because they come from different cultures?
What about a Kaali-Saturn dw? Would that mean the Kundalini energy is restricted, and therefore no sexual attraction? Actually I didn`t want to write "sexual attraction", because I have the feeling, this description doesn`t do Kaali justice; she seems to represent a much more primal, deep-rooted, creative force than just "chemistry", like maybe expressed by Venus-Mars. Or have I misunderstood you?
Hmm, maybe I should think about Kaali a little bit, since she is conjunct my SN, Karma, dr Psyche and near to my DSC (6°).
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posted September 20, 2007 04:10 AM
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Does that mean, the Sun-person would love the Valentine person, too? I always thought the Valenine person would be the loving one.
----------------------------------------of course, asteroida and planets both cause a dual effect. combo. ------------------------------------------ woman`s Valentine and Amor are conjunct the man`s Sun, while his Aphrodite is conjunct her Sun and his Amor widely trines her Sun (4°). ------------------------------------------- great ! she really loves his life force, he will respond to her love. i dont know bout that loose trine though. ------------------------------------------
Would you only look at conjunctions and oppositions? -------------------------------------------
i convert the declinations to longitudinal equivalents, u can download the declination conversion chart from www.astro.com
u get all sorts of aspects , squares, trines etc.
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I think in JOhnny Cash`s and June Carter`s case you mentioned a declinational square of Venus and Pluto, or did I misread that?----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- its not declinational , its a plain square.
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BTW what would a Juno-Kaali dw in the synastry mean then? Or can`t you interprete them together, because they come from different cultures? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- kaali also indicates kundalini and rebirth. do the math ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What about a Kaali-Saturn dw? Would that mean the Kundalini energy is restricted, and therefore no sexual attraction?
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no way , its a sureshot past - life connection, though it being saturn it might imply a mutual debt.
also saturn is not necessarily restrictive, it also acts as super -glue
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Actually I didn`t want to write "sexual attraction", because I have the feeling, this description doesn`t do Kaali justice; she seems to represent a much more primal, deep-rooted, creative force than just "chemistry", like maybe expressed by Venus-Mars. Or have I misunderstood you?
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yup, venus- mars is no more than slam- bam thank u m'am . Kali, that a different cup of tea. someone with kalli conjunct sun in natals should know ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmm, maybe I should think about Kaali a little bit, since she is conjunct my SN, Karma, dr Psyche and near to my DSC (6°). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- u should, read up on Kaali here.
www.shivashakti.com conjunct SN definitely implies a past life Tantra background. and conjunct Karma is enough reason to follow on it.
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posted September 20, 2007 04:20 AM
 this is one of my favourites. look at the crowns of the man n woman. u will see the
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